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24 May 23

"Finding ‘common ground' with the thinking of evil men is a fool's errand"

Herschel Smith

As we witness our Armed Forces recruitment efforts repeatedly falling drastically short of even minimum maintenance goals, DOD in its infinite wisdom, now cynically manufactures yet another significant reason for young Americans not to enlist!

Under the laughable pretext of “lethal-means reduction,” a new DOD recommendation consists of a demand for active-duty troops to “register” all privately-owned guns, even those troopers who are in possession of valid, state-issued CCW permits.

This will, of course, immediately bring-about a demand on the part of “woke” base commanders that all privately-owned guns (now “registered”) be subsequently removed from homes (on-base or off) of troopers, including officers and NCOs, and locked-up “for safe-keeping” within a base armory.

Of course, rightful-owners will never see their guns again!

Another part of this impending new policy is that “twenty-five” is to become the new minimum age for any Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine to privately own any kind of gun, again even when the trooper already has a valid CCW permit!

So, we put into the hands of eighteen-year-olds automatic weapons, that we don’t teach them to use (because they’re all too busy attending “transgender sensitivity” classes), and then prohibit them from obtaining, nor training with, their own weapons.

Even when troopers reach the age of twenty-five (in the unlikely event they’re still around), guns that they do privately own they can’t keep with them, as all guns must be locked-up and under the control of the base
commander.

At this rate, few will be joining-up. Fewer still will re-enlist.

It makes one wonder whom DOD is really working for!

“Where there is trust, no proof is necessary. Where there is none, no proof is possible”

/John








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What? I'm not sure what this means

So if i joined the army I would need to register my guns? Or only if I lived on base and needed to store them?
 
As a bachelor, whenever I lived on base, I lived in the barracks. All of our personal weapons needed to be secured in the armory. ALL OF THEM! Even things I wouldn't even consider a weapon such as my NCO sword. I had a SgtMaj do a barracks inspection when I was a SSgt and he found a KaBar plaque with a KaBar that had my old call sign engraved on it. He freaked out and called me immediately to the barracks. It was secured, but upon the next inspection in that KaBar plaque was a butter knife. This was at Weapons Training Battalion, Quantico in 1999-2001.
 
I remember as far back as 2002 guys that lived in base housing had to store their private guns in an armory. Never allowed them in barracks for any reason.

When you live in the barracks you are basically a kid with retarded, malicious parents. You can only have so much booze in your room, have to clean, can’t have porn mags, etc. I guess it depends on the unit, but this was some of the shit I saw.

Guys in off base housing have it better off but I learned early that you should never have anything they can take from you. If you do, they will threaten to take it constantly and eventually do it.
 
Is there a link to a source?

Its just a letter in response to a recomendation and not a rule? I ask bc im enlisting in the nat gaurd hoping to have less restrictions. If this is implying more, ill pull my paperwork
 
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As a bachelor, whenever I lived on base, I lived in the barracks. All of our personal weapons needed to be secured in the armory. ALL OF THEM! Even things I wouldn't even consider a weapon such as my NCO sword. I had a SgtMaj do a barracks inspection when I was a SSgt and he found a KaBar plaque with a KaBar that had my old call sign engraved on it. He freaked out and called me immediately to the barracks. It was secured, but upon the next inspection in that KaBar plaque was a butter knife. This was at Weapons Training Battalion, Quantico in 1999-2001.
They are pussifying the military.
 
 
This is the kind of think that will keep more people away from joining as indicated by @MetalliCorey 's response. If that keeps up you'll start to hear whispers of a draft of some nature to fill the ranks. Or it'll go back to courts telling criminals they have a choice of jail or the military. They have to fill those slots somehow.
 
They are pussifying the military.
At my first duty station I ran the armory for my squadron. I was the only one to have personally owned firearms (at least only one living on base anyway). Call it risk aversion, micromanagement, the presumption that junior enlisted men are all a bunch of dumbasses (lets face it, they are), or whatever, but this sort of pussification had long been present.. As for broader efforts to pussify the military, the problem is we do not have senior military leaders - only politicians.
 
Is there a link to a source?
since OP can't be bothered, I found it:

linking to threads on Springfield's wholly-owned forum is no more illuminating than cut-and-pasting someone else's navel-gazing.

This style of not-quite-spam posting is why people start asking if you're a troll
 
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There was a mandate at my Security Forces unit that personal weapons must be stored in the armory (if you lived in the barracks). At least the non woke leadership at that time knew better than to do a thorough barracks inspection without some forewarning. It would have been fun to see the turnout though. Lejeune was a different story.
 
As a bachelor, whenever I lived on base, I lived in the barracks. All of our personal weapons needed to be secured in the armory. ALL OF THEM! Even things I wouldn't even consider a weapon such as my NCO sword. I had a SgtMaj do a barracks inspection when I was a SSgt and he found a KaBar plaque with a KaBar that had my old call sign engraved on it. He freaked out and called me immediately to the barracks. It was secured, but upon the next inspection in that KaBar plaque was a butter knife. This was at Weapons Training Battalion, Quantico in 1999-2001.
My friend was reprimanded/wtitten or whatever for a Keychain knife in the commisary
 
This is the kind of think that will keep more people away from joining as indicated by @MetalliCorey 's response. If that keeps up you'll start to hear whispers of a draft of some nature to fill the ranks. Or it'll go back to courts telling criminals they have a choice of jail or the military. They have to fill those slots somehow.
Why don't we offer all the illegal aliens in our country a path to citizenship that requires two active duty tours in the military. After 12 years, you can be on your way with full citizenship. If you choose not to serve the country that you illegally entered, then you will be promptly sent back home and banned from ever entering again - for life. Choose Wisely.


Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. Those are the types of immigrants we should want. Everyone else can get the f*** out.
 
At my first duty station I ran the armory for my squadron. I was the only one to have personally owned firearms (at least only one living on base anyway). Call it risk aversion, micromanagement, the presumption that junior enlisted men are all a bunch of dumbasses (lets face it, they are), or whatever, but this sort of pussification had long been present.. As for broader efforts to pussify the military, the problem is we do not have senior military leaders - only politicians.
Could they train them not to be dumbasses? Serious question.
 
If you are in a war zone, do the uppers disarm you there?
Depends on what part of the "war zone" you're in.

Front line, certainly not.

Somewhere in the region, but in a support role? Yeah, they might have to store your weapons before you go to your place of duty. Nearby, but not on you. I'd call that disarmed.

At least that's how it was when I was in.

Also, it has nothing to do with "woke commanders." You get a bunch of folks that are under stress from their job, nevermind how deployments add to troubles at home, and it's not unheard of for family problems, including violence to happen. Or troops arguing with each other. Getting drunk, starting fights, escalating, etc. If troop welfare/safety isn't a priority to you, you're a shit commander.

Same reason rifles are locked up during boot camp except when drilling/at the range. Some folks handle the pressure well. But some snap.

ETA: Read some of this guy's other posts on DTI. Not someone I would go around quoting. Just my 2c. But you drink whatever Kool-aid you want.
 
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this was the rule on the posts I was in 40+ years ago, if you had POW you had to have them in the arms room, and even if you had off base housing they where supposed to be registered with the unit. (on base housing they had to be in the arms room. )
 
Why don't we offer all the illegal aliens in our country a path to citizenship that requires two active duty tours in the military. After 12 years, you can be on your way with full citizenship. If you choose not to serve the country that you illegally entered, then you will be promptly sent back home and banned from ever entering again - for life. Choose Wisely.


Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. Those are the types of immigrants we should want. Everyone else can get the f*** out.

I said the exact same thing in the Ukrainian War thread. We did the same thing with guys in the Philippines who wanted to become a US citizen. We signed them up in the military for a period of time. Though I don't think it was 12 years. More like 4-6 year if I remember correctly. No reason they couldn't do the same thing with illegal aliens. I've met a lot of Filipinos that couldn't speak english very well and were still in the military. Same could be said for Spanish.
 
Also, it has nothing to do with "woke commanders." You get a bunch of folks that are under stress from their job, nevermind how deployments add to troubles at home, and it's not unheard of for family problems, including violence to happen. Or troops arguing with each other. Getting drunk, starting fights, escalating, etc. If troop welfare/safety isn't a priority to you, you're a shit commander.

This.

It's not about being woke. It's about being risk-averse. When you realize how careless Joe can be with guns, there is a strong argument to be made that it's wiser to put his guns someplace secure.

We lost a soldier while I was deployed; he was shot in the head while playing a "trust game." Another soldier killed a local when he did an M9 mag dump through a closed door, with no idea what was on the other side. I gave first aid once to a little girl who got a pebble blown into her cheek when the moronic captain at the clearing barrel forgot to rack the slide after he dropped his mag.

While deployed, we had our weapons with us but we cleared them every time we entered a building. After the incident with the kid shooting through the door, the battalion ordered all M9s returned to the CONEX for the rest of the deployment.

Again, this was over 20 years ago. None of this is new.
 
From DTI Quips

24 May 23

"Finding ‘common ground' with the thinking of evil men is a fool's errand"

Herschel Smith

As we witness our Armed Forces recruitment efforts repeatedly falling drastically short of even minimum maintenance goals, DOD in its infinite wisdom, now cynically manufactures yet another significant reason for young Americans not to enlist!

Under the laughable pretext of “lethal-means reduction,” a new DOD recommendation consists of a demand for active-duty troops to “register” all privately-owned guns, even those troopers who are in possession of valid, state-issued CCW permits.

This will, of course, immediately bring-about a demand on the part of “woke” base commanders that all privately-owned guns (now “registered”) be subsequently removed from homes (on-base or off) of troopers, including officers and NCOs, and locked-up “for safe-keeping” within a base armory.

Of course, rightful-owners will never see their guns again!

Another part of this impending new policy is that “twenty-five” is to become the new minimum age for any Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine to privately own any kind of gun, again even when the trooper already has a valid CCW permit!

So, we put into the hands of eighteen-year-olds automatic weapons, that we don’t teach them to use (because they’re all too busy attending “transgender sensitivity” classes), and then prohibit them from obtaining, nor training with, their own weapons.

Even when troopers reach the age of twenty-five (in the unlikely event they’re still around), guns that they do privately own they can’t keep with them, as all guns must be locked-up and under the control of the base
commander.

At this rate, few will be joining-up. Fewer still will re-enlist.

It makes one wonder whom DOD is really working for!

“Where there is trust, no proof is necessary. Where there is none, no proof is possible”

/John








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Can you say China.
 
When I was in the navy during the 70's, a buddy and I were really into mountaineering...we had to keep our ice axes and crampons in the ship's armory :rolleyes:. We both lived off base when on shore so it didn't seem to be a problem back then but it was SoCal so probably now, it would be an issue.
 
It’s really amazing the different view that the Army (who uses guns) has from the Air Force (who typically doesn’t).
The Mass National Guard wanted to allow all guardsmen, Army and Air to be able to carry on base around 2010ish. Army TAG went complete sissy asshat and said no way. Air Guard had no problem.

Trying to get off base overseas in 2003, the gate guard went batshit that my M9 was chambered and safety off, per Air Force regs. He made me put the safety on before I could leave the base, which went back off once I was moving. (I gave up on the argument after a minute or two, it wasn’t worth it).

I’ve got other similar stories.
 
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