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JFK, conservative

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  1. Obie1

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    I got this email of his column today from Jeff Jacoby, the only voice of reason at the Boston Globe. There is no copyright issue. I've often thought that most of today's libs would be horrified by his positions.


    AS DEMOCRATS begin maneuvering for the 2016 presidential race, there isn't
    one who would think of disparaging John F. Kennedy's stature as a Democratic
    Party hero. Yet it's a pretty safe bet that none would dream of running on
    Kennedy's approach to government or embrace his political beliefs.

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    Today's Democratic Party — the home of Barack Obama, John Kerry, and Al Gore
    — wouldn't give the time of day to a candidate like JFK.

    The 35[SUP]th[/SUP] president was an ardent tax-cutter who championed across-the-board,
    top-to-bottom reductions
    in personal and corporate tax rates, slashed
    tariffs to promote free trade, and even spoke out against the "confiscatory"
    property taxes being levied in too many cities.

    He was anything but a big-spending, welfare-state liberal. "I do not believe
    that Washington should do for the people what they can do for themselves through
    local and private effort," Kennedy bluntly asserted during the 1960 campaign. It
    was a message he memorably restated in his inaugural address: "And so, my fellow
    Americans, ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for
    your country." One of his first acts as president was to institute a pay cut for
    top White House staffers, and that was only the start of his budgetary
    austerity. "To the surprise of many of his appointees," longtime aide Ted
    Sorensen would later write
    , he "personally scrutinized every agency request
    with a cold eye and encouraged his budget director to say 'no.'"

    On the other hand, he was a Cold War anticommunist who aggressively increased
    military spending. He faulted his Republican predecessor for tailoring the
    nation's military strategy to fit the budget, rather than the other way around.
    "We must refuse to accept a cheap, second-best defense," JFK said during his run
    for the White House. He made good on that pledge, pushing defense spending to 50
    percent of federal expenditures and 9 percent of GDP, both
    far higher than today's levels
    . Speaking in Texas just hours before his
    death, he proudly
    took credit
    for building the US military into "a defense system second to
    none."

    Since that terrible day in Dallas 50 years ago, popular mythology has turned
    Kennedy into a liberal hero. Some of that mythmaking, as journalist and
    historian Ira Stoll argues in a new book, JFK, Conservative, was driven by Kennedy
    aides, such as Sorensen and Arthur Schlesinger Jr., who had always wanted their
    boss to be more left-leaning than he was. Some of it was fueled by the
    Democratic Party's emotional connection to the memory of a martyred president,
    and its understandable desire to link their priorities to his legacy.

    But Kennedy was no liberal. By any reasonable definition, he was a
    conservative — and not just by the standards of our era, but by those of his era
    as well.

    Stoll draws on an embarrassment of riches to make his case.

    When the young JFK launched his first political campaign for the US House in
    1946, a profile in Look magazine homed in on his conservatism:

    "When young, wealthy, and conservative John Fitzgerald Kennedy announced for
    Congress, many people wondered why," it began. "Hardly a liberal even by his own
    standards, Kennedy is mainly concerned by what appears to him as the coming
    struggle between collectivism and capitalism. In speech after speech he charges
    his audience 'to battle for the old ideas with the same enthusiasm that people
    have for new ideas.'"



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    News stories covering JFK's election to
    the Senate described him as a "fighting conservative." Asked about complaints
    from the Democratic left that he wasn't a "true liberal," JFK replied: "I'd be
    very happy to tell them I'm not a liberal at all.… I'm not comfortable with
    those people."
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    He hadn't changed his political stripes by the time he ran for the Senate in
    1952, challenging incumbent Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. Stoll notes that
    Massachusetts newspapers wanting to back a liberal in that race came out for the
    Republican — the Berkshire Eagle, for example, endorsed Lodge as "an invaluable
    voice for liberalism." When his re-election in 1958 made it clear that Kennedy
    would be running for the Democratic presidential nomination, Eleanor Roosevelt
    was asked in a TV interview whom she would support if forced to choose "between
    a conservative Democrat like Kennedy and a liberal Republican [like]
    Rockefeller." FDR's widow, then as now a progressive icon, answered that she
    would all she could to make sure Kennedy wouldn't be the party's nominee.

    Many on the left felt that way about JFK. When he decided to resume nuclear
    testing in 1962, Bertrand Russell attacked him as "much more wicked than
    Hitler," and Linus Pauling, who would receive that year's
    Nobel Peace Prize
    , predicted that he would "go down in history as … one of
    the greatest enemies of the human race." Left-wing intellectuals raged against
    Kennedy's failed attempt to topple Fidel Castro (the renowned sociologist C.
    Wright Mills said the administration had "returned us to barbarism"). Liberals
    within the administration expressed dismay for Kennedy's unwavering support for
    cutting taxes. A dismayed Schlesinger called one of Kennedy's tax-cut
    exhortations "the worst speech the president had ever given."

    Nearly 30 years ago, an essay in Mother Jones magazine asked: "Would JFK Be a
    Hero Now?" If the answer wasn't obvious then, it certainly is now. In today's
    political environment, a candidate like JFK — a conservative champion of
    economic growth, tax cuts, limited government, peace through strength — plainly
    would be a hero. Whether he would be a Democrat is a different matter
    altogether.

    (Jeff Jacoby is a columnist for The Boston Globe).
     

  2. jtnf

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    The early 60s Kennedy Democrat is the early 80s Reagan Republican.
    Just shows to go, how far we've fallen since the early 80s. [crying]
     
  3. taz-2005

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    He would fit in well with today's Democrats with the prescription drug abuse, "enhanced" war record, adultery and blackmailing MLK to back his presidential campaign. Oh and let's not forget the vote fraud in Chicago.
     
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    And Reagan by today's more libertarian standards was a raving moonbat. Gun Control, Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act....

    It's all relative and it all sucks.
     
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    In 50 years, never mind the 100 or so, this country has ruined itself and we are escalating its demise at warp speed. Interesting and troubling times lie ahead.
     
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    Ask not that you do anything at all, ask what free shit you can get from others.
     
  7. vcsniper556

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    last real president

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  8. FPrice

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    Enhanced "war record"?
     
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    Maybe he means that the media trumped up his actions as a PT boat captain in order to help get him elected.

    Even so, he actually earned his purple heart unlike that douche known as Kerry.

     
  10. taz-2005

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    Meaning that actions that would get someone a court martial for incompetence or negligence get spun into a story of heroism due to family connections.
     
  11. FPrice

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    Many men in his position embraced their 4F status and did not serve. He managed to overcome his and get into the service. He then volunteered (albeit lured by some adroit "salesmanship") for one of the most hazardous duties and boats in the Navy. And he appears to have led his men from the front and by dint of participating in the hard, dirty work with the enlisted crew members. His incident of hitting the dock with his boat did not appear to rise to the level of requiring a court-martial. His actions during the night patrol also do not show any incompetence or negligence, instead they reflect the fog and friction of war common to what the PT boats faced in this very hostile environment. And his actions in the wake of this event show a high level of leadership and bravery.

    You can hate JFK all you want for other things, but he voluntarily served in combat and he appears to have served well, something many other "leaders" did not do.
     
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    I've been saying for years, that if JFK were alive and active in politics today, that the present left would have long ago branded him as a "right wing extremist" , and put EVERYTHING they and their MSM lapdog have into destroying him.
     
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    THIS.

    The Army rejected him for back problems. He didn't let that get in the way of his wanting to serve (before war broke out I might add) so he joined the Navy who accepted him. And instead of using his connections to sit out the war and serve the Navy in a safe position, he volunteered for actual combat duty. Name a president who was born too late to serve in WWII who did the same.

    You won't find one.
     
  14. taz-2005

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    Sorry I don't buy into the entire myth and eventual apotheosis of him. He served as President for ~1,000 days, won no wars, was mostly a bystander on civil rights and allowed the Soviets to gain a foothold 90 miles from our shore.

    Had he not been assassinated who knows what he may or may not have accomplished but as it is the record is thin outside of oft played speeches.
     
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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to taz-2005 again.
     
  16. EddieCoyle

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    Yup.

    If politician today said this, he'd be crucified:

    "The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from The Hand Of God."
     
  17. FPrice

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    Not much to disagree with there. He failed to act on the Bay of Pigs support (bad advice/lack of advice?). He did face down the Russians a year later. And I would fault others just as much for what happened in Cuber. However that, in reality, has turned out to be a miserable failure.

    JFK was probably the first pop culture celebrity President. THAT made his presidency.
     
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    We went to the Kennedy museum a few years ago with out of town visitors. I was struck by how conservative he was by today's standards.
     
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    I will also second this or third it. I have the utmost respect for JFK, He didn't have to go out on the limb, never mind a PT situation. There is NO COMPARISON to the current *******, liar, deceitful traitor this country has sitting in the white house. He should be shot dead for what he has done to this nation, JFK probably would have done it for the nation. It is truly a shame that the men and women capable of leading our nation have been shut down because of not wanting to have to raise a billion or more to buy the seat and have to go through the media scandal of anal examination.
    This nation is dying and will soon be gone. [sad]
     
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    And this nation was built by the belief in the hand of God and is being destroyed by the destruction of that belief, ironic.
     
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