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I listened to VB for a bit today. He took more callers than Severin usually takes but he just doesn't seem to have that "hook" that keeps me listening. I switched to my Rob Zombie cd after about 15 minutes.
 
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I was listening to Mozart's Le Nozze De Figaro today. As much as I love talk radio, I won't listen to 96.9 until Jay is back on. (I hope it's soon, b/c I get bored in the truck all day listening to music. Graham & Severin entertain me.)
 
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Quote TKK " WTKK and Greater Media value an open and vigorous dialogue, but we also adhere to basic principles of civility, common decency and respect for all cultures. "

I don't. Civility is useful but not required , Decency ... sure. Respect for all cultures ?
No. ... read carefully here ... I do not have respect for all cultures. I discriminate freely. I believe that some Truths are Self Evident , and I believe that many cultures do not respect or follow the beliefs I find important. This makes them Un-equal , and lesser than my culture.

Easy to label some one who dares to write that , but my culture does not execute a woman for being raped.
 

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I listened to VB for about 5 minutes yesterday. It was painful...not that I dislike him, but the conversation was inane. So, I called & was asked by the call screener what I wanted to talk about. I told him that VB probably wouldn't let me discuss what I wanted to on the air...but that I had just tuned in to see if Jay was back and turned the dial when I discovered he was still suspended.

I told him that neither I, nor anyone else I know, planned to listen to WTKK or patronize any of its sponsors until Severin is back on the air. He was nice enough and said he'd pass that along.
 
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Severin's agent says he will return to the airwaves soon


http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...ent_says_he_will_return_to_the_airwaves_soon/


Jay Severin, the right-wing talk show host on Boston's WTKK-FM, who was suspended last week after making derogatory statements about Mexicans, began talks yesterday with the station about whether he will return to the air.
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Station officials said he would remain suspended indefinitely. But George Tobia, Severin's agent, predicted he would be back on his afternoon drive-time show soon.

"The meeting went well, and he'll be back on the air soon," Tobia insisted, declining to provide further details. "We can't say when, but he will be on."

Station officials declined to answer questions, but in a statement they confirmed the meeting and said Severin will "remain on suspension until further notice."

"WTKK and Greater Media value an open and vigorous dialogue, but we also strongly adhere to basic principles of civility, common decency, and respect for all cultures," Heidi Raphael, a spokeswoman for the station, said in a statement. "We believe Jay's suspension is the best way to uphold both of these corporate policies."

During a broadcast last week, Severin called Mexican immigrants "criminaliens," "leeches," "the world's lowest of primitives," and exporters of "women with mustaches and VD," among other incendiary comments he made as swine flu spread from Mexico to the United States and beyond.

His comments sparked deep concern among Mexicans and other Latinos in Greater Boston, prompting what Tobia last week described as a flood of complaints to station management. Some of those offended were concerned about Severin's possible return to the airwaves.

"People should be allowed to say what they want, but as a broadcaster, I hope they would have a greater sense of responsibility as to the malicious effects of his words, specifically the hate he espouses and the hate he incites," said Franklin Soults, a spokesman for the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition.

He cited a study released last year by the Southern Poverty Law Center that found a 40 percent increase in hate crimes against Latinos between 2003-2007.

Officials at the Anti-Defamation League of New England said they were "deeply disturbed" by "the language of hate" targeting of immigrants.

"We hope that a return to the airwaves by Mr. Severin would be accompanied by an apology and contrition," said Derrek L. Shulman, the Anti-Defamation League's regional director.

Some groups calling for more strenuous measure against illegal immigration said they would welcome Severin's return to the airwaves, with the hope he used less caustic language.

"I'm not particularly happy with some of the words he used, but if you look at some of the effects of illegal immigrants on our country, it's worse," said Joe Rizoli, director for the Framingham-based Concerned Citizens and Friends of Illegal Immigration Law Enforcement. "The fact that these people are living lives that are so anti-American is worse than anything Jay Severin could have said." But he added: "I think he should try to be a little more respectful. People are people, no matter whether they're illegal aliens or not. You don't treat them that way."

Others who have criticized his language and political positions said they support his right to speak.

"The ACLU is watching this with interest, because there are multiple free-speech concerns at issue, including Mr. Severin's free speech, the rights of the radio station to decide what it wants to air, and the right of the public to protest, and concerns for private demands for censorship to restrict the flow of ideas," said Carol Rose, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts. "The ACLU supports the broadest possible marketplace of ideas, but as a First Amendment legal matter, the fact that the radio station is privately owned suggests that the rights of the radio station to control its content trumps Mr. Severin's First Amendment legal claims."

Harvey Silverglate, a prominent civil liberties lawyer in Boston, said the station had the right to suspend or fire Severin, but he added that media organizations have "an ethical obligation not to take someone off the air just because he said something offensive."

"I find it puzzling there's an audience for this drivel, but if there's an audience for it, we have to accept the fact that somebody is going to pay a broadcaster to give the public what it wants to hear," Silverglate said. "That's the nature of a free society: Even if I can't understand what a listener sees or hears in what he says, we're not the arbiters of taste. Nobody has the power to prohibit his being hired."

Severin's possible return to the air worried Amparo Anguiano, deputy consul of the Consulate General of Mexico in Boston, given that Severin's language reflects a number of radio talk-show hosts who use similar language, she said.

"Such comments generalize and promote distrust, bias, and prejudice against immigrants," she said. "The radio station can do what it wants, but these statements promote hate, and anyone who runs a media organization, should be aware of their impact."

David Abel can be reached at [email protected].
 
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"I find it puzzling there's an audience for this drivel, but if there's an audience for it, we have to accept the fact that somebody is going to pay a broadcaster to give the public what it wants to hear," Silverglate said. "That's the nature of a free society: Even if I can't understand what a listener sees or hears in what he says, we're not the arbiters of taste. Nobody has the power to prohibit his being hired."
Even though Mr. Silverglate aknowledges the First Amendment, he doesn't seem to like it.




Severin's possible return to the air worried Amparo Anguiano, deputy consul of the Consulate General of Mexico in Boston, given that Severin's language reflects a number of radio talk-show hosts who use similar language, she said.

"Such comments generalize and promote distrust, bias, and prejudice against immigrants," she said. "The radio station can do what it wants, but these statements promote hate, and anyone who runs a media organization, should be aware of their impact."
Sorry, Amparo, those would be Illegal Immigrants. A.K.A criminals. The law does not discriminate against the race of those who break it. I'm Irish-Italian and I don't support Irish or Italian illegal immigrants either!
 
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I can see Jay apologizing to the LEGAL immigrants, but it's gonna be a freezing cold day in hell for him to apologize to the ciminaliens - ain't gonna happen. He's been saying stuff like this for years and he's always made sure to add that he's talking about illegals, not bonafide legit ones.
 

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I can see Jay apologizing to the LEGAL immigrants, but it's gonna be a freezing cold day in hell for him to apologize to the ciminaliens - ain't gonna happen. He's been saying stuff like this for years and he's always made sure to add that he's talking about illegals, not bonafide legit ones.
Right. He always said criminal aliens, you know...ones that sneek into this country under the cover of night and spring up looking for welfare checks, free housing, and driver's licenses. NOT the people who tried to do the right thing: learn the language (or at least what to say at the DD drive through), come to this country with a VISA and work like hell to make a living. I say the criminals are fair game when it comes to criticism. They all should be deported. NOW. Is the INS doing ANYTHING???

Next we won't be allowed to say the Taliban are terrorists that want to and do actively kill Americans. This is the USSR and we love our terrorists. They have rights. [rolleyes]

Ok rant over.
 

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I can see Jay apologizing to the LEGAL immigrants, but it's gonna be a freezing cold day in hell for him to apologize to the ciminaliens - ain't gonna happen. He's been saying stuff like this for years and he's always made sure to add that he's talking about illegals, not bonafide legit ones.
What if this passes ?

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They emailed me this today (italicized part is word for word what their reply was to me last week after I emailed them).

Dear Becka,

Because you're a WTKK Insider, we want to thank you first for being passionate about our station and our hosts. Boston's Talk Evolution 96.9, FM-WTKK and Greater Media have always valued an open and vigorous dialogue, but we also adhere to basic principles of civility, common decency and respect for all cultures. It's our belief that Jay Severin's suspension is the best way to uphold these corporate policies.

WTKK Management met with Jay Severin and his agent yesterday. He will remain on suspension until further notice.

We'll keep you posted with any new developments and if you want to send us your comment, click here.

Thanks for listening to 96.9, WTKK.
 

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WTKK got my daily phone call today advising them that I'm not listening and neither are thousands of others until Jay is back.

Screw "clicking here" to send them my comments. They won't read the e-mail. They will, however, listen to my 10 second rant as I tie up their phone line in support of Severin.
 
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If they will not engage us peacefully and fly our airliners full of innocent civilians into buildings killing even more civilians, we need to be dropping as many bombs on them as we can, as quickly as we can until they beg for mercy.

If they won't respect us, they can fear us.
I agree that we have a Creator given right to self-defense. And our enemies should fear us - we have the most potent military this Earth has ever seen.

However, blanket statements about "we need to kill all of them" is myopic at best and deadly at worst. This type of wrongheaded jingoism is what sank the neoconservatives in last year's elections.

How's this all related to Severin? Because before this anti-Mexican episode, he made a reference to killing all Muslims. Another NESer mentioned that it wasn't Severin, and I suggested Graham. So I stand corrected if this is indeed true.

For what it's worth, conservatives should find a different torch-bearer other than Jimmy Servino. But that's just my opinion since I don't subscribe to his neoconservative ideology.
 
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He might have a little Neo-con blood but he is mostly a true conservative.
I'll still suggest that anybody that subscribes to the conservative ideology (such as myself) to stop thinking like collectivist and more like an individualist. Collectivists are people who like to pigeonhole groups of people into tidy little groups. Most libertarian-minded conservatives put special focus on the individual than their group (man, black, Christian, suburban, rich, etc.) If Severin is a true conservative as you say, then his rhetoric should reflect this.
 

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Respect for all cultures ?
No. ... read carefully here ... I do not have respect for all cultures. I discriminate freely. I believe that some Truths are Self Evident , and I believe that many cultures do not respect or follow the beliefs I find important. This makes them Un-equal , and lesser than my culture.

Easy to label some one who dares to write that , but my culture does not execute a woman for being raped.
I agree... I also don't wipe my ass with my hand after I take a crap
 
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I'll still suggest that anybody that subscribes to the conservative ideology (such as myself) to stop thinking like collectivist and more like an individualist. Collectivists are people who like to pigeonhole groups of people into tidy little groups. Most libertarian-minded conservatives put special focus on the individual than their group (man, black, Christian, suburban, rich, etc.) If Severin is a true conservative as you say, then his rhetoric should reflect this.
I have never heard him say anything that would cause him to be labeled a collectivist. He does focus on the individual rather than the group.

However there is nothing wrong with mentioning a group.
 
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I have never heard him say anything that would cause him to be labeled a collectivist. He does focus on the individual rather than the group.

However there is nothing wrong with mentioning a group.
But not all Mexicans have a venereal disease. And not all Mexican woman have mustaches. And not all Mexicans are afflicted with swine flu. And not all Mexicans are illegal immigrants. These are examples of collectivism. An individualist would evaluate somebody for *who* they are, not *what* they are. Sure, there might be a few Mexican, illegal-immigrating-women with mustaches that have swine flu. But not many.

Proponents of "diversity" are collectivists. White, middle-class men are discounted since they represent traditional "oppressors" of women and non-whites. White supremacy, black supremacy, anti-Semitism are other examples of collectivism. Why not evaluate people as individuals? This is what our legal framework is predicated on.

For what it's worth, this might have been the tipping point for WTKK management on Severin. They sort of alluded to this in their prepared response to the press.
 
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The Patriot channel on Sirus has Hannity on at 3pm. Been listening on my way home each day. Miss Jay greatly since he is a very smart and quick guy. After listening to his show, one truly believes he spent 12 or more hours preparing for his 4 hour show. Even if you don't like him, you must agree with that.
 
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But not all Mexicans have a venereal disease. And not all Mexican woman have mustaches. And not all Mexicans are afflicted with swine flu. And not all Mexicans are illegal immigrants.
I do not believe that he said the above. The quotes that I have read are not worded at all like what you wrote. He never said “all Mexicans...”.

There is nothing wrong with generalizing. I know, the Dewey Indoctrination Centers instruct that generalizations are evil. But they are not.

When generalizing, it is presumed that the listener or reader has enough common sense to realize that "all" of a particular group mentioned will not belong. That's why it is called a generalization.

Gun owners post on this board.
Islamists commit acts of terrorism.
Tall people play basketball.
Mexicans illegally come to America.

There is nothing wrong with these statements and the reader should realize that "all" gun owners do not post here etc, etc.
 
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I do not believe that he said the above. The quotes that I have read are not worded at all like what you wrote. He never said “all Mexicans...”.

There is nothing wrong with generalizing. I know, the Dewey Indoctrination Centers instruct that generalizations are evil. But they are not.

When generalizing, it is presumed that the listener or reader has enough common sense to realize that "all" of a particular group mentioned will not belong. That's why it is called a generalization.

Gun owners post on this board.
Islamists commit acts of terrorism.
Tall people play basketball.
Mexicans illegally come to America.

There is nothing wrong with these statements and the reader should realize that "all" gun owners do not post here etc, etc.
What's a Dewey Indoctrination Center? Taking a guess: Government-sponsored public schools?

No there's nothing inherently wrong with generalizations (note that your examples cleverly leave out the prefixing "all"), but they're a collectivist construct. I would hope that gun owners would realize that individualism trumps collectivism (if they subscribe to a conservative ethos). Collectivism, of course, is the crux of such wonderful political ideologies as socialism, fascism and communism.

"On the other hand the application of the basic ideas of collectivism cannot result in anything but social disintegration and the perpetuation of armed conflict. It is true that every variety of collectivism promises eternal peace starting with the day of its own decisive victory and the final overthrow and extermination of all other ideologies and their supporters. ... As soon as a faction has succeeded in winning the support of the majority of citizens and thereby attained control of the government machine, it is free to deny to the minority all those democratic rights by means of which it itself has previously carried on its own struggle for supremacy." -- Ludwig von Mises

I'll see if my Google-Fu is working so I can dig up that Severin quote that I've been referencing (and to confirm at least it is rightfully attributed to Severin and not Graham).
 
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What's a Dewey Indoctrination Center? Taking a guess: Government-sponsored public schools?

No there's nothing inherently wrong with generalizations (note that your examples cleverly leave out the prefixing "all"), but they're a collectivist construct. I would hope that gun owners would realize that individualism trumps collectivism (if they subscribe to a conservative ethos). Collectivism, of course, is the crux of such wonderful political ideologies as socialism, fascism and communism.

"On the other hand the application of the basic ideas of collectivism cannot result in anything but social disintegration and the perpetuation of armed conflict. It is true that every variety of collectivism promises eternal peace starting with the day of its own decisive victory and the final overthrow and extermination of all other ideologies and their supporters. ... As soon as a faction has succeeded in winning the support of the majority of citizens and thereby attained control of the government machine, it is free to deny to the minority all those democratic rights by means of which it itself has previously carried on its own struggle for supremacy." -- Ludwig von Mises

I'll see if my Google-Fu is working so I can dig up that Severin quote that I've been referencing (and to confirm at least it is rightfully attributed to Severin and not Graham).
Generalizations and stereotyping now indicate collectivism?

[rolleyes]
 
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Generalizations and stereotyping now indicate collectivism?

[rolleyes]
I'm not sure what you're suggesting.

Collectivism is simply the antithesis of individualism. The crux of the ideology, as I understand it, prioritizes the grouping of a certain class of people above that of the individual.

Did the Ludwig von Mises quote scare you? [laugh]
 
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I've listened to Severin for many years and have grown tired of his egotistic rants.
I did some basic research and found that the claims about him are largely true,
He makes up his journalistic and academic awards and degrees and was a 3rd string Republican operative.
He's married and has been for years.
I prefer some honesty from my pundits.
But Jay can be entertaining and I heard his remarks that caused the trouble.
He did characterize Mexicans as inferior and infected and did so in a pretty racist manner. That was what got him suspended.
I suspect he'll be back and play the role of the wounded Patriot.
But I find that as realistic as his fabricated Pulitzer Prize and Master's Degree.
Mike Graham is far brighter and more entertaining.
 
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. . . Collectivists are people who like to pigeonhole groups of people into tidy little groups. . . . If Severin is a true conservative as you say, then his rhetoric should reflect this.
Ironically, people in general pigeonhole themselves.

See a lot of Irish moving into Russian neighborhoods in Dorchester?

Substitute any ethnic, religious, cultural or other group for those that you want and it will by and large remain true.

Like poles attract, opposite poles repel. People are not magnets.

But not all Mexicans have a venereal disease. And not all Mexican woman have mustaches. And not all Mexicans are afflicted with swine flu. And not all Mexicans are illegal immigrants. These are examples of collectivism. An individualist would evaluate somebody for *who* they are, not *what* they are. Sure, there might be a few Mexican, illegal-immigrating-women with mustaches that have swine flu. But not many.
. . . For what it's worth, this might have been the tipping point for WTKK management on Severin. They sort of alluded to this in their prepared response to the press.
Jay has always been exactly careful to distinguish between legal and illegal immigration. His chief complaints about criminaliens that I recall are

- They are breaking our law and here without invitation
- They don't contribute BACK to this society, but take what they can and often send it to their actual home in central or south america.
- While not all criminaliens have swine flu, we really have no way to know how many do, or to track their contribution, or to treat them to stem the didease, or to (well, yo uget the idea)

WRT Muslims:

I think their culture instructs them to use their left hand to clean with toilet paper, not with a bare hand. [shocked]

Could be wrong.
Nope...squat over hole in ground, poop, wipe with left hand, wash hand....it really is disgusting
Toilet paper is a new invention, relatively speaking. They didn't have it to use. A custom developed to use the bare left hand for wiping. I'll stick with toilet paper, thanks. Or sheets from the Globe.
 

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He's married and has been for years.
He is?? The way he talks about doing Asian girls all the time, I would have figured he'd be single. Anything else would be highly disrespectful towards his own wife (unless she's into that kind of stuff.... ick).
 

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Howard Stern was married too. The on-air personality might be nothing like the private person. OK, maybe in the case of THESE two hosts [laugh]
 
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