now that theres at least 3 or 4 companies that make non shit buis theres no reason to buy troy anything. ( at one point that was literally the only product that they had where they beat everyone else at... because there weren't too many people making buis and there were only shitty mcshit companies like ARMS etcetera making them..) I'm surprised they're still in business. A lot of their guns need a serious diet anyways.... like at one point somehow they manage to take an AR and make it weigh a pound more than everyone else's does.... I bet even YHM skinflint gun will weigh less than the equivalent Troy product. ..