Is the attack on 2A worse now than after Sandy Hook?

[Individualist]

As I've said elsewhere, the damage done to our culture during the Obama years has now become apparent.

 

[vipprimo]

The propaganda is the most intense I've ever seen it. Literally every channel, even Fox, are jumping on the bandwagon. You finally hear the idea of empowering teachers and reciprocity, but suddenly it falls on deaf ears and the president isn't helping now.

 

[LuvDog]

Definitely worse this time... the social media and main stream media are running wild with this.

The social justice stuff is building... look at the companies dropping NRA affiliations, the sellers raising the age to buy firearms, the stores dropping product lines which have ownership / partnerships with firearms companies, the articles on how to drop stocks/funds which invest in the gun industry.

It’s worse all over, not just here.

 

[BrianWilson]

IMHO much worse. Irregardless of where you would expect to see the same old gun control drivel, I hear and see much more discussion from regular folks who didn't really give a shit one way or the other before.

 

[Ultrarunner]

Last night my girlfriend went out for drinks with some socialist friends. When I bought her Chinese and picked her up, she greets me with, "You know maybe there's something to be said about banning ARs" and then she spouts off a few liberal platitudes.

My response, "Is this you submitting your two weeks notice on our relationship? because I'll start to look for a replacement ASAP.."

 

[wiryone1]

Last night my girlfriend went out for drinks with some socialist friends. When I bought her Chinese and picked her up, she greets me with, "You know maybe there's something to be said about banning ARs" and then she spouts off a few liberal platitudes.

My response, "Is this you submitting your two weeks notice on our relationship? because I'll start to look for a replacement ASAP.."

And you are in Montana? One thing I am noticing is the anti creep is infesting more places I never thought possible. Look at VA and CO! TX will go blue someday soon and that will seal the death of liberty. Our culture at large is on life support.

 

[MGnoob]

Im suprised everyone thinks now is worse.. there is far less of a chance of any real change after trump crushed the hildabeast..

It just seems worse because now noone even kids themselfs that the news is anything other than "fake news"...
Does anyone really think none of these kids support the second amendment.. just like the corpses from the killings these kids are getting used as props.

The sandy hook massacre was far worse, Florida is just the libs rallying their anti trump base. And trying to wave their flag.

The dems running on gun control will only lead to certain defeat. Nothing has changed.

 

[wahsben]

Polls have shown growing support for gun control. Based on that, I believe that now is far more dangerous.

On top of that, the antis see that their propaganda campaign is working, pushing polling in their direction.

We all know that their "solutions" will not work. In fact, these new lawrs will only impact the law-abiding, which the media will ignore. And as more shootings increase, they will seek their next pound of flesh (another piece of our cake). Wash, rinse, repeat.

Remember the polls showed hillary winning. Although the polls could be accurate I doubt it very much. The MSM is using them trying to sway public opinion and as we know they're not above lying to achieve their goals.

 

[Mass-diver]

Much, much worse. The press jumped all over this, in part they are so angry at Trump and anyone who supports him. Many people feel the 2A people are the the reason trump won, so it’s time to really stick it to them.

NYT has an article today about military style weapons produce “gastly” wounds. Zero fact checking, just making stuff up.

 

[Horrible]

Remember the polls showed hillary winning. Although the polls could be accurate I doubt it very much. The MSM is using them trying to sway public opinion and as we know they're not above lying to achieve their goals.

Great point. But its not the data in the polls that I am concerned about it is the movement that worries me. The same polls are showing more of an appetite for new gun control than they did four or five years ago.

 

[Horrible]

Much, much worse. The press jumped all over this, in part they are so angry at Trump and anyone who supports him. Many people feel the 2A people are the the reason trump won, so it’s time to really stick it to them.

NYT has an article today about military style weapons produce “gastly” wounds. Zero fact checking, just making stuff up.

Isn't that ALL the antis know how to do is make shit up? They simply try and propagandize and use raw emotion and scare tactics to push their confiscation agenda.

 

[wahsben]

Great point. But its not the data in the polls that I am concerned about it is the movement that worries me. The same polls are showing more of an appetite for new gun control than they did four or five years ago.

The polls that are showing that there's more of an appetite for gun control may or may not be accurate. One thing is for sure the MSM is trying to create as much hysteria as possible. They are now using the term assault rifle much more frequently than in the past and using it more than their made up term assault weapon. They're trying to associate AR's with select fire weapons. Also the anti's have enlisted the help of the children more than ever to try and use emotions as a weapon against the 2A. The fact that these people ignore that the murderer should have been arrested long ago which would have barred him from being able to purchase a firearm shows that they're not interested in doing what's right but that they're only interested in gun control.

 

[Coyote33]

Just wait for the Oscars tonight:

Stars to Wear Anti-Gun-Violence Pin at Oscars, Sources Say

 

[SpaceCritter]

Just wait for the Oscars tonight:

Stars to Wear Anti-Gun-Violence Pin at Oscars, Sources Say

A LONG wait since I never watch the silly things.

 

[Coyote33]

A LONG wait since I never watch the silly things.

Maybe not, but the outcome will consume the news for the next couple weeks, so it is still in your face. The NRA and GOA need to get out AHEAD OF THIS at some point....

What ever happened to their "I am the NRA" thing, with various movie stars?

 

[jkelly1229]

Polls have shown growing support for gun control. Based on that, I believe that now is far more dangerous.

On top of that, the antis see that their propaganda campaign is working, pushing polling in their direction.

We all know that their "solutions" will not work. In fact, these new lawrs will only impact the law-abiding, which the media will ignore. And as more shootings increase, they will seek their next pound of flesh (another piece of our cake). Wash, rinse, repeat.

Lies damn lies and statistics. I have read 8-10 articles claiming more gun control and 8-10 cuttin less. It's just dependant on who's polled.

This is an honest question here but how many of you guys answer any poll that calls your house? I don't and ask to be removed from the list. Ask yourself who the hell is actually answering these polls on either side.

Another anecdote would be the website polls.... Lol what happens just locally a no name town newspaper in the middle of berksire county puts up a pool asking about gun control. It gets posted here and we all hammer it until it's in our favor.


A third thing is Twitter. You read this all the time. A Twitter poll says xyz. Well yeah if you post a poll that only the people who share your ideology. Your going to get the results you expect.

So look beyond some random ass poll an article quotes

 

[Ultrarunner]

And you are in Montana? One thing I am noticing is the anti creep is infesting more places I never thought possible. Look at VA and CO! TX will go blue someday soon and that will seal the death of liberty. Our culture at large is on life support.

Liberals are everywhere. They move to places like Montana due to the natural beauty and then complain about things like trapping and hunting, let alone firearms. Granted, I'm in Bozeman and the rest of Montana is still pretty solid, but I see this state following the same fate as Colorado eventually. Colorado used to be as freedom loving as they come but has been poisoned by Denver and the ski resorts, much like Montana population centers and Indian reservations are all blue leaning.

 

[Coyote33]

Turns out a new person at work is from my home town. We were talking about some "local" stuff, and the topic of arming teachers came up. She blurted out how she thinks that is so wrong, blah blah, etc. I just left that there for a minute, then said nobody is telling them to all get armed, just that we need to remove the blanket denial for people who might like to take a less helpless stance. I said no more, and figured we can discuss more some other time. Small bites at a time.

 

[Varmint]

I don’t remember it being this bad before... has the left gotten more powerful? Has the media just caved into them that much more?? Maybe it was a bad then and I just don’t recall? Social media playing things out to be worse?

I feel like schools are brainwashing children so the next generation is genuinely fearful of all firearms.

Left is going crazy like I have never seen before.

Trump's victory was a wake-up call to liberals and the media, they're now on the warpath.

 

[Varmint]

Turns out a new person at work is from my home town. We were talking about some "local" stuff, and the topic of arming teachers came up. She blurted out how she thinks that is so wrong, blah blah, etc. I just left that there for a minute, then said nobody is telling them to all get armed, just that we need to remove the blanket denial for people who might like to take a less helpless stance. I said no more, and figured we can discuss more some other time. Small bites at a time.

Tell them to think of it like MAD with nuclear arms. Imagine if the US tomorrow annouced we were destroying our entire nuclear arsenal. Would they feel safer, since there are no more nukes in the US? Or would you be nervous knowing the Russians now have no deterrent to nuking us?

Same thing with gun-free zones, removing them is a deterrent to evil doers.

 

[mcshooter]

A colleague of mine signed up for the LTC courses, and going to out in for his license the following week after taking it.

We need to collectively get more people on board locally to help with not allowing the antis to gain more traction

 

[E.Stoner]

It's worse, because social and legacy media are just amplifying the message. Ultimately I think its the same old libtards yelling, they are just louder.
Ultimately, this will fizzle in a month. There will probably be some anti-gun success on NICS and age limits, that's all. Unless of course there is massive shooting in the next 1-6 months, then we will never hear the end of this shit till November.

 

[Terminator03]

I feel like it gets worse every time there is another one of these school shootings, which do seem to be increasing in frequency! WTF is going on lately? Why are schools now the first choice of places to shoot up? I had a huge discussion about this stuff with my daughter over this past week because her school is planning a protest/walkout, or some shit. There is a massive amount of brainwashing going on, that's for certain, and I fear we are going to go the way of Australia if this shit keeps up!

 

[hedgehound]

I initially thought it WAS worse then. I changed my vote, as I lose my optimism as well. It is much worse now. I have a suspicion that left is trying to put a wedge in Trump's voter base.

 

[bigpick]

I initially thought it WAS worse then. I changed my vote, as I lose my optimism as well. It is much worse now. I have a suspicion that left is trying to put a wedge in Trump's voter base.

He’s doing a good job too, not just the left and msm.

 

[DrNVP]

Im suprised everyone thinks now is worse.. there is far less of a chance of any real change after trump crushed the hildabeast..

It just seems worse because now noone even kids themselfs that the news is anything other than "fake news"...
Does anyone really think none of these kids support the second amendment.. just like the corpses from the killings these kids are getting used as props.

The sandy hook massacre was far worse, Florida is just the libs rallying their anti trump base. And trying to wave their flag.

The dems running on gun control will only lead to certain defeat. Nothing has changed.

It is FAR worse.

It is idiotic to think that just because they didn't pass any federal gun control after Sandy Hook means that we will be ok now.

In the 5 years since Sandy Hook, look how many states have fallen to even more gun control regulations. All the usual players (CA, MA, NY, etc) plus several formerly free states (WA, OR, CO). FL will fall soon, as will more states one by one.

What I don't think most people realize is just how much more organized the left has gotten in those 5 years. Bloomberg and the rest of the tech billionaires (Gates, Bezos, etc) have funded untold millions into grassroots activism groups like Moms Demand Action and Every Town for Gun Control. Combined with HOllywood and the media, they essentially control the narrative. This sort of organization did not exist in 2013. It does now.

Sandy Hook was the opening battle and the left has consistently WON for the past 5 years. The left understands incrementalism as a tool to achieve their end goal. Meanwhile, gun owners will sit at home, bitch about their own gun rights groups for not being ideologically "pure", and not vote. No wonder we've lost.

 

[RadiCS]

I would say it’s worse this time because you have the libs from before, the hatred of trump, and the actual trumpetes who are making up excuses for trump. Trifecta!

 

[Dennis in MA]

Hype is much worse. President saying stupid stuff that DIRECTLY IMPACTS US (where are you "isn't he funny when he pisses off the liberals" guys now?) and liberty in this country.

At least we knew where we stood with Obama. We KNEW he would go after things. But I think we also knew he's like an inner-city drug lord. He talks a good game to get the troops motivated but sits around and watches TV all day and never does any work himself.

This moron will do work. To harm us. He doesn't give a flying F about liberty or America.

No, he's not worse than the alternative. But it was a s-wordy alternative the GOP system gave us.

 

[Dennis in MA]

Meanwhile, gun-owner idealogists are doing everything possible to jettison allies if they aren’t “pure” enough.

As I've said before, that's a weakness of the Right on a continual basis. "If you don't agree with me 100%, go F yourself I hope you die." It's a really stupid way of looking at things.

Now, "If I agree with you on X, I'll support Y and Z and A and B because I support people I support" is equally as dangerous, but there IS middle ground where you ally with people that are LIKE you, but reserve the right to call "crazy" when you see it. (The Left doesn't have the ability to call "crazy.")

 

[beaker]

Yes because they are more coordinated and lie lie and lie some more. Trump removed any limits to what the Marxists will do to push the ideology because they are so desparate.