Is S&W going 10mm?

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Does it matter that it's ugly? Not really, but does it hurt to have some pride in your work? A Toyota and a Lotus will both get you to work, but only one of them makes you want to spend your money on it

"Any color [...] so long as it's black" is fine, but especially with molded plastic - provided you keep a couple basic rules in mind, it can be just about any shape you want. If users are getting "melts," stippling, and undercuts on your product the moment they buy it, maybe we can improve on "perfection."

It's all subjective stuff. If I thought my glocks needed stippling I'd probably either buy the glock frames that are ultra abrasive out of the box or just buy another gun that has a grip I like.

I don't like to mod my guns much anymore. I did 10+ years ago, but I'm pretty sick of that shit now. Went back to keep it as simple and basic as possible. The only recent gun mod I did was an RMR cut on my Glock 34... that I never use. Also my AUG's trigger. But everyone buying a AUG or Tavor knows that the trigger is a trainwreck, so it comes with the territory. That said I could of dealt with it.
 

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I want an MPX in 10mm dammit. Or really just anything fun and stupid in 10mm. Tupperware doesn’t fill the void I have.
Sold this a few months ago. Great shooter.
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That would be super cool, but only if they released it with an 8-10" barrel.

Nah, you want that extra velocity. 10MM out of a 16” barrel is really going to extend the range of that pistol cartridge, especially if you find the right loads. You’re getting close to rifle velocities. I’d take any PCC (other than a hi-point) in 10MM if I could find one. The Aero survivals look nice.
Also, a fun chrono video with 10MM and an TNW Aero

View: https://youtu.be/p9rQXau7wYQ
 

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Nah, you want that extra velocity. 10MM out of a 16” barrel is really going to extend the range of that pistol cartridge, especially if you find the right loads. You’re getting close to rifle velocities. I’d take any PCC (other than a hi-point) in 10MM if I could find one. The Aero survivals look nice.
Also, a fun chrono video with 10MM and an TNW Aero

View: https://youtu.be/p9rQXau7wYQ

8" - 1533 fps; 16" - 1643 fps

So 110 fps and 7% improvement in exchange for 8" OAL. Is it enough of a difference to make a difference? (ETA - since K=0.5*mv^2 we're looking at about 14% energy improvement. That's pretty big, but way less than the change from a 4-5" pistol barrel to the 8-10" SBR)

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8" - 1533 fps; 16" - 1643 fps

So 110 fps and 7% improvement in exchange for 8" OAL. Is it enough of a difference to make a difference?

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Not to say that chart isn’t accurate, however, the video linked shows the 180gr buffalo bore at 1700fps out of 16”, which is 150fps more than that chart shows. I’m not planning on clearing rooms with a 10MM PCC, more of an extension to a pistol round to make 100-150 yard shots, so an additional 8” OAL isn’t a big deal. IMHO.

Room clearing? A CMMG banshee in .308 should be small enough and poke appropriately sized holes, as well as blind and concuss everyone else in the room. 😍
They also have a cute 10MM banshee that I could be persuaded to make an exception for.
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I’d want a sig P220 10mm over whatever S&W is going to put out. I still just avoid S&W semi auto hand guns. I still shake in a corner from time to time because of that horror fest sigma series they crapped out back in the day. M&P fanboys can flame away. I don’t care.
 
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I’d want a sig P220 10mm over whatever S&W is going to put out. I still just avoid S&W semi auto hand guns. I still shake in a corner from time to time because of that horror fest sigma series they crapped out back in the day. M&P fanboys can flame away. I don’t care.
So, whenever we are in the gun store looking over sn M&P, we should always ask, is it better than a Sigma?
 

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I'm throwing my 2 cents in here because I'm bored, it's raining out, it's to early to drink and I've got nothing better to do......
I will buy the new Smith 10mm the second I can get my hands on one......I may not keep it for very long but I am absolutely willing to try it. I try just about everything I can related to guns and I have been pleasantly surprised from time to time.
Also for what it's worth I would love it if Ruger made that PCC rifle in 10mm. I think or maybe I hope that it would be an awesome little power house.
Anyway........that's my 2 cents worth. LOL

P.S. I have owned and still have many of the most popular and best 10mm pistols available so......I'm not new to the cartridge.
 
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