Is H&K the only one with an 'excessive use' disclaimer clause in the warranty?

[drgrant]

Oh really?

Show me statistics that show that HKs are more reliable than brand X. Seriously, show me the stats.

I don't have stats but anecdotally I will say that HKs out of the box failure rate is exceptionally low compared to other
brands- but that isn't the be all end all in selecting a firearm. Not to mention admittedly its difficult to gauge this
when most of the competing brands produce an exponentially greater number of pistols. If HK sells 100 pistols in a
month and Glock sells 1000, and both have a 10% defect rate, Glock is always going to look worse while HKs defect rate will get
lost in the weeds. On the other hand I've had a metric shit ton of HKs and I had a total of ONE that "broke".... and even when it
broke, the gun still would have fired and cycled. (My USPc 40 sear spring broke, but it broke in such a way that it turned it into a DAO pistol,
lmao). I used to beat the snot out of them too.

Now if we were talking Smith.... someone definitely pissed in the well over there; hands down HK has better QC than they do but that's
not really that hard to pull off.

-Mike

 

[TomMontana]

I do agree though that the HK DA trigger is inexcusably bad...

Given that the regular trigger is a known quantity, why not buy the LEM version instead? I know some don't like that either, but I really enjoy it.

 

[drgrant]

Given that the regular trigger is a known quantity, why not buy the LEM version instead? I know some don't like that either, but I really enjoy it.

The LEM would suck a lot less if the reset wasn't so long.

I would say "**** all that" and buy a VP9 instead if you really want an HK. That's the only HK worth buying at the moment... well, unless you want a MK23 for the "jolly factor" LMAO.

I had a shitload of HKs and the only ones I miss are the MK23 and the P7M8. HK is retarded for not continuing to sell the P7M8, but I know why they canned it; it doesn't have mass market
appeal and can't be built cheaply with modern production processes.

-Mike

 

[larueminati]

I have all my converted to "light" LEM and love it.

That being said, the VP9 striker hands down is the better trigger.

 

[M1911]

Given that the regular trigger is a known quantity, why not buy the LEM version instead? I know some don't like that either, but I really enjoy it.

I tried the LEM trigger. I wasn't that impressed. If I was going to carry mine, I would have changed it to be safety only and carried cocked and locked.

 

[roccoracer]

http://pistol-training.com/archives/4027
Here is a good example of the reliability and Quality of a H&K. I have owned dozens of pistols of all manufacturers and many have been good. But there is something specific to the H&Ks that feels great in my hand and allows me to shoot them with better accuracy than the others. I will say that my my S&W pro series 1911 in .45 is a close second.

 

[TomMontana]

The LEM would suck a lot less if the reset wasn't so long.

I tried the LEM trigger. I wasn't that impressed.

Tough crowd. LOL. I'm easy. I like that it makes me feel like I have awesome shooting powers when I take my sweet time pulling the trigger.

 

[travis]

I have several USP's because they are tanks. I have a USP .45 that I have had going on 14 years and have used it allot had many thousands of rounds through it more then half of those suppressed and still runs like a champ.

 

[fishgutzy]

My wife has a VP9. One of the glow dots popped out of the rear site. Just emailed them, got an RMA. No cost for the warranty repair.
When I decided to add a VP40 I went with the LEM/Night Sights version. No troubles yet. Well, other than that my son wants it when he soon gets his CCH.

 

[M1911]

Tough crowd. LOL. I'm easy. I like that it makes me feel like I have awesome shooting powers when I take my sweet time pulling the trigger.

Back when I had a USPc .40, I had a friend who was an ICE agent. At the time, he was issued a USPc .40 LEM. So we met at the range and I shot both guns side-by-side. So while I don't have a bunch of trigger time with the LEM, I have put rounds through it while comparing back-to-back with the Variant 1 (DA/SA with safety/decocker).

 

[M1911]

I don't have stats but anecdotally I will say that HKs out of the box failure rate is exceptionally low compared to other
brands- but that isn't the be all end all in selecting a firearm. Not to mention admittedly its difficult to gauge this
when most of the competing brands produce an exponentially greater number of pistols. If HK sells 100 pistols in a
month and Glock sells 1000, and both have a 10% defect rate, Glock is always going to look worse while HKs defect rate will get
lost in the weeds. On the other hand I've had a metric shit ton of HKs and I had a total of ONE that "broke".... and even when it
broke, the gun still would have fired and cycled. (My USPc 40 sear spring broke, but it broke in such a way that it turned it into a DAO pistol,
lmao). I used to beat the snot out of them too.

I hear you. My USPcs were fine out of the box. I didn't shoot them that much, but I never had a failure.

I have buggered a couple Glocks, but that was because I was goonsmithing them. As soon as I replaced the parts that I buggered, they worked fine. So I place the blame on my lack of gunsmithing skills, not on Glock. Fortunately, Glock action parts are dirt cheap and very easy to get from multiple sources (Brownells, Midway, and a bunch of Glock-specific vendors), so I didn't mind trying something out. If I bugger a connector or trigger bar, who cares? I can replace it in three days for just a few bucks.

In contrast, years back it took me a couple months and several phone calls to get a simple recoil spring out of HK for my USPc .45.