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Is EBOLA in our future?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by joseph, Jun 9, 2019.

  1. boatman

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    What's the probability that all the anti vaxers suddenly change their minds on vaccines if ebola or some other deadly outbreak really happens here? When you can die with bleeding from your eyes etc., all of a sudden modern science is pretty good.
     

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    "Modern Science" at the time is in many cases, archaic in a few years. Hormone Replacement Therapy was all the rage a few years ago...until it was determined that it INCREASED the odds of cancer. Thalidomide was a great drug for morning sickness, and in 10 years don't be surprised if Statins are proven to be the biggest con game around. JMFHO. Oh, not an anti-vaxxer, but funny that I had to get some Merthiolate sent from Thailand, because it's banned in the Western World...because it contains the same mercury compound used in some vaccines.
     
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  3. EC1

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    the biggest problems with ebola or for that matter any lethal virus/bacteria are incubation time and modern air transportation.
     
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  4. boatman

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    If Ebola comes here, even though the current vax is not quite there yet, I will be first in line for it. We know how viruses work, and we know how vaccines work against them. Statins lower your cholesterol. There is not a definitive link that lowering your cholesterol makes you live long. There is some statistics showing that, but there are many other variables, would be very hard to have blind test from birth giving many identical twins the exact same life except for lipitor. But you can grow bacteria in a petri dish and show if antibiotics are working to kill them. The same thing with a virus (not antibiotics, vaccines).
     
  5. jhblaze1

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    as others have said, our hygiene practices and nearly immediate availability of world class medical care would not allow Ebola to spread all that much. Certainly, a handful of unlucky people would come down with it, but you pretty much have to make out with an infected person or let them sneeze in your mouth in order to contract it.

    The US faces a much bigger threat from a major flu pandemic then ebola. The 1918 flu could and probably will happen again.
     
  6. rali

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    Doubt whatever you want; it’s a free country. What I stated is, however, plain fact, easily discovered by anyone who spends a few minutes with their preferred search engine. Knock yourself out.

    As for “notorious for its prudery ...” I can’t think of a single culture or time, where the reality wasn’t significantly different from the moral professions of the literate classes. Including Victoria’s England, where her own eldest son had a chair designed that allowed him to have intercourse with two (usually Parisian) women (usually prostitutes) at the same time. (Lest you doubt this too, the search terms “albert love chair” will surely be illuminating)
     
  7. smokey-seven

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    Is there an Ebola vax available? Don't think so.

    I have been recently thinking about getting vaxes for all the common nasty stuff. I was well vaxed in the 1960's but am unsure as to what is needed to reset the immune system to current standards. Anyone know about what is needed these days when you had it all done in the 60's? Typhus, Small Pox, Cholera etc.
     
  8. mibro

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    I found just a handful of references to the so-called virgin cleansing myth in Victorian England. The Wikipedia page references Suzanne Leclerc-Madlala of the University of KwaZulu-Natal. Suzanne is heavily invested in today's radical egalitarianism and uses her "discovery" to suggest that, once again, white men are somehow indirectly responsible for infant rape in South Africa.

    What you stated is typical historical revisionism of our post-factual era.

    The British royal family - and of course they're not really British - have always been promiscuous as hell. Same with the British aristocracy, who have a lot in common in their sexual behavior with the bottom of the so-called working class.

    The idea that the average British Victorian man either thought it was an appropriate therapy or was able to have sex with virgins to cure his STDs is still ludicrous on its face.
     
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  9. rali

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    Oh nonsense. I had no idea who this Leclerc-Madlala woman is until you brought her up. The virgin cleansing is something I learned about at least 10 years before the first cite on her, so, not “post-factual blah blah blah” but simple history.

    And the royal family stuff? Red herring #2.

    Go fish, dude.

    R
     
  10. AHM

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    Your doctor will probably demand lab work
    to measure your current levels of protection
    before prescribing any re-innoculations.
     
  11. dans

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    Ebola has already been here. It happened in Reston VA at a place that quarantines non-human primates destined for research. Apparently one of the NHP was infected and it went through the facility at lightning speed. The strain of Ebola (Ebola Reston) was only a threat to the NHPs not humans. In the end, they decided to euthanize all of the current residents and sanitize the facility. After it was all done, they tested all of the workers at the facility and found at least one (my memory is fading here) with antibodies to it in his blood stream.
     
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    If you do that, you better get an appointment now for the end of August.

    My girl got a new job at a daycare so she had to get shots. Every single doctor was scheduling her out to August. I had to take her to one of those Urgent care places and for the last 2 shots she couldnt get there, we called a doctor she knew and somehow she got an appointment within 2 weeks.

    It was a royal PITA.
     
  13. mibro

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    Come up with a reputable primary source and maybe I'll reconsider. Until then this is just more anti-white racism. You should be ashamed.
     
  14. rali

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    I don’t gotta come up with dick - do your own research. And on the racist card, you can bite my ass, you ignorant ‘twat.
     
  15. mibro

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    If you want to survive a full-blown ebola epidemic you may not want to put your faith in a vaccine. The best approach to surviving a disease epidemic is social distancing.
     
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    lol. Where's the evidence that Americans were running around looking for virgins to cure their STDs in the 1890s as you asserted. That is pure Y Pepo Do It 2.
     
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    Spent few minutes with preferred search engine, your claims did not pop up. Just take the L and move on dude. Or keep doubling down like an ass, this is NES after all so you're in "good" company.

    History of syphilis - Wikipedia
     
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  18. The5thDentist

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    I'm gonna rock a classic look...
     
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  19. calsdad

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    Your wish might (sort of) come true.

    I remember reading an article recently about the spread of STDs. What it highlighted is that there's been an increase because basically everybody is banging everybody else. That's how AIDS spread in the 80s. The gays got it because they basically bang the shit out of each other (literally) - it only spread to the "breeders" thru bisexuals and some women who basically played both ways. But once the word got out about how it spread - there was definitely a damper that smart people on their relations with other people.

    Supposedly the Ebola outbreak has now reached into Uganda:

    Raconteur Report: Told You So

    This blog, June 5th:
    "I repeat for the record, as of June 5th, based on available evidence, and barring any changes in worldwide response,
    this one's going to blow containment.

    Get your preps in order.
    When it gets out, if it's near you, it'll already be too late." - moi World Health Organization - Africa, yesterday:


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    Kampala, 11 June 2019 - The Ministry of Health and the World Health Organization (WHO) have confirmed a case of Ebola Virus Disease in Uganda. Although there have been numerous previous alerts, this is the first confirmed case in Uganda during the Ebola outbreak on-going in neighbouring Democratic Republic of the Congo.
    The confirmed case is a 5-year-old child from the Democratic Republic of the Congo who travelled with his family on 9th June 2019. The child and his family entered the country through Bwera Border post and sought medical care at Kagando hospital where health workers identified Ebola as a possible cause of illness. The child was transferred to Bwera Ebola Treatment Unit for management. The confirmation was made today by the Uganda Virus Institute (UVRI). The child is under care and receiving supportive treatment at Bwera ETU, and contacts are being monitored.
    The Ministry of Health and WHO have dispatched a Rapid Response Team to Kasese to identify other people who may be at risk, and ensure they are monitored and provided with care if they also become ill. Uganda has previous experience managing Ebola outbreaks. In preparation for a possible imported case during the current outbreak in DRC, Uganda has vaccinated nearly 4700 health workers in 165 health facilities (including in the facility where the child is being cared for); disease monitoring has been intensified; and health workers trained on recognizing symptoms of the disease. Ebola Treatment Units are in place. Also FTR, Here's the WHO party line happy-gas they were passing just 3 days ago:
    The continued decline in new EVD cases in North Kivu and Ituri provinces is encouraging, highlighting the commitment of local and national authorities and partners to an effective response to this serious outbreak. All community mobilization activities, focused on enlisting local populations as partners in the response must continue, as well as proven public health measures, in order to capitalize on this trend and bring he outbreak to a swift close.
    Allow me to translate that freely, after running it through the Reality Filter™:
    "We're f**ked. Your f**ked. Everyone's f**ked. In fact, we're so far past f**ked, we can't even see f**ked in our rear view mirror, with a telescope. The average IQ hereabouts is 75. The average education is second grade. And those are the geniuses. They go to witch doctors. They can't count to 11 with their shoes on. And they think Ebola is caused by evil spirits, or being passed out by the White Devils, instead of the infected blood of dead Auntie, which they then slam dance and play with, bare-handed, after she's dead. After burning the local Ebola Treatment Center and stealing her festering corpse, if necessary. So bend over, grab your ankles, and kiss your @$$ goodbye, because this is going to run hog wild, and there's not a damned thing we can do to stop it. We've tried everything for ten months non-stop, and it's like pissing on a brush fire. Into the wind."
    It also bears noting that until now, the closest the disease had come to the border with Uganda was some 50 miles, which the disease, borne by ignorant idiots, hurdled in one move. And this is just the first confirmed case, that they know about.

    Twenty-one to forty days from now, it may turn out that they nipped it in the bud, and they heave a sigh of obvious relief.

    Or, they find they have 10-50 secondary and tertiary cases, just like in DRC, and the first clue is when 20 people drop dead on the same day, shooting blood out their eyeballs and @$$#$.
    And nobody - nobody - can tell you truthfully which outcome it will be, until then.

    So the only thing keeping it there, instead of here, with several hundred Congolese refugees now released in Texas, this minute, is that airfare from there to here is more than the average Congolese person makes in a year.
     
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    Ebola lives on hospital surfaces for days:

    Ebola Virus Lives on Hospital Surfaces for Days

    he Ebola virus can live on surfaces in hospitals for nearly two weeks, a new study suggests.

    Researchers tested how long the Ebola virus could survive on plastic, stainless steel and Tyvek, a material used in Ebola suits. The researchers also simulated different environmental conditions, including a climate-controlled hospital at 70 degrees Fahrenheit (21 degrees Celsius) and 40 percent humidity, and the typical environment of West Africa, at 80 F (27 C) and 80 percent humidity.

    In general, the virus survived on surfaces for a longer time when in the climate-controlled conditions than in the West African environment, the study found. Under hospital-like conditions, the virus lived for 11 days on Tyvek, eight days on plastic and four days on stainless steel. The longest the virus was able to survive in the tropical conditions of the West African environment was three days, on Tyvek.
     
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    Just fyi NESrs, if ebola does make it to the USA, and I really don't think it will, this is how you survive an ebola epidemic.

    1. Avoid getting infected by isolating yourself in your house until the epidemic has run its course. Could be a year or more unfortunately.

    2. If infected the keys to not dying are (a) oral rehydration - at least 4.5 liters per day, (b) melatonin – 20 mg several times a day for a prolonged period.

    Here's a recipe for oral rehydration solution:
    1 liter of water (4-1/2 cups)
    1 cup unsweetened orange juice without pulp
    8 tsp sugar
    ½ tsp salt
    ½ tsp baking soda
     
  23. hminsky

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    The last time that happened it was from a creep in one of our own biolabs.
     
  24. rali

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    I understand that an internet search tool is a complex thing and perhaps your family and medical specialists have limited you to items duller than a butter knife, so this one time I'll help you out:

    LMGTFY

    If that's still too hard, then may I direct your attention to the first hit on that page?

    From the British Journal of Venereal Disease, an article from 1942 entitled "THE FOLK-LORE OF VENEREAL DISEASE"
    https://sti.bmj.com/content/sextrans/18/1-2/1.full.pdf

    I doubt you have either the maturity or the required level of introspection necessary to properly apologize for calling me a racist. I forgive you regardless; try not to be such a complete utter twatmuffin in the future, eh?

    R
     
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    Raconteur Report: Trust, But Verify


    The UN's best and brightest medical experts admitted 9 months ago, publicly, and in their own house bulletin, that fever doesn't appear in 50% of people with actual Ebola, in this outbreak.

    So no, I didn't just pull this out of my fourth point of contact, or, unlike the CDC @$$clowns, "just make sh*t up".

    Now you've got chapter and verse on where this came from.
    And it's as reliable a source as you'll ever get.

    So now I can say, with a straight face, that when I tell you something, you can trust me.
    But I'll give you the references and bibliography if necessary.

    Now bear in mind that the one and only tool they use to screen people at airports and Ports Of Entry is...fever.
     
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    Hah hah, you are adorable. Yes, let's take an article with folklore in the title to be gospel and then try to pretend it's factual. You must be great fun at parties!

    Also I'm not sure what this "racist" thing you're spouting off is about. I think you're conflating me with another poster...or possibly yourself, so the only mention of racism in my post was quoting you.

    So take you poor reading comprehension and condescension elsewhere. Or not. This is the internet after all. I'd ask for an apology given the random and sad attempts at misdirected insults at my in your post, but I suspect you used up your allotment of words looking up the definition for introspection before you posted above :-D
     
  28. rali

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    Mmmm ... I am AWESOME at parties! But, I do need to ask what exactly would you might consider the myth that having sex with a virgin curing a disease is, if not "folklore."

    Definition of MYTH
    1a : a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon

    Definition of FOLKLORE
    1 : traditional customs, tales, sayings, dances, or art forms preserved among a people

    Your response is, at best, weak sauce ...

    Nope, you're absolutely right. I f*cked up. It was my old acquaintance mibro who called me a racist. He's the complete utter twatmuffin, not you. I apologise for the error and characterisation.
    I will now go and amend my previous post to make that clear.

    R
     
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    Wouldn't be an issue if the retard anti-vaxxers didn't exist.

    And really...Infowars???
     
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    Illegals are sneaking into this country from places that don’t even offer vaccinations. It was only a matter of time before they brought diseases here that we eradicated. I know first hand what what the vaccinations do. My niece got some shots about 3 years ago. She was normal, healthy and happy before. About two days later she started having convulsions. Now at five years old she’s been diagnosed with autism. She barely functions now. It’s sad to see her that way. What’s retarded is listening to the government saying it’s safe. I’ve never read infowars.
     

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