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Iraq disarms it's people
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Dench
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This is really interesting to me. Under good ol' Saddam's rule I believe the law was each man was allowed to keep a rifle in his house to protect his family/honor/whatever. I think that ended up being a thorn in the side of coalition forces when America decided to invade that dump, there were already a few million rifles floating around, plus undefended military depots with weapons out the ass.
Oh well. I don't care about Iraqi's or Iraqi gun rights.
Oh well. I don't care about Iraqi's or Iraqi gun rights.
Nice to see they are adopting good old fashioned American Democracy.
The only reason there is a new government in Iraq is the fact the people had arms in private hands. Me thinks a lot of guns are going to be lost in "boating accidents" over in the desert.
The only reason there is a United States of America is because a bunch of men from Massachusetts picked up a gun and said enough is enough, and here in the cradle of Liberty, where the shot heard round the world was fired, where a few men changed the course of the world, the same thing would be impossible today.
The only reason there is a new government in Iraq is the fact the people had arms in private hands. Me thinks a lot of guns are going to be lost in "boating accidents" over in the desert.
The only reason there is a United States of America is because a bunch of men from Massachusetts picked up a gun and said enough is enough, and here in the cradle of Liberty, where the shot heard round the world was fired, where a few men changed the course of the world, the same thing would be impossible today.
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Or her hand picked jester, Angus McQuilken.
So, I might be going against the grain here, but if I'm trying to run an unstable country with multiple feuding factions, banning everything and anything seems like the thing to do. At very least, I can then arrest anyone I want while I prop up my failing government...
Dench
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I guess having no national unity is what happens when an Imperial power arbitrarily defines your country's boarders, and expects all the clans and factions inside to get along when the Imperials get bored and leave. The middle east, most of Africa and a lot of east Asia are all weird boundaries that have no national significance for those who live inside.
It's a perfectly sensible thing to do if you aim to run a police state or dictatorship; a free country, not so much.
Are you really that naive as to believe that the people most likely to cause trouble in Iraq are going to give up their guns?
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The provisional authority had (until now) basically allowed 1 AK per household as legal, no crew served, no RPGs, etc.... that didn't really seem to cause a problem in the grand scheme of things. The loose explosives all over the place on the other hand.... that's a whole other ballgame.
-Mike
The Kurds don't care, as they'll likely either ignore this "decree" or have a set aside. Not to mention pretty much everyone who is an able bodied Kurd is in some kind of militia or another. They would simply kill any "foreign" authority that came in and tried to take their guns.
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Are you really that naive as to believe that the people most likely to cause trouble in Iraq are going to give up their guns?
The first lesson of Tyranny 101 is to pass laws that people are not going to obey. That gives you the legal power to lock away the "trouble makers".
pdm
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Heh, yeah, just try and get the Peshmerga to disarm. Saddam couldn't and al-Maliki is no Saddam.
No, but we have managed to make things even worse - achievement unlocked...
It's even easier to leave Afghanistan right now - there's nothing really that we lose in terms of regional stability if a neighbor takes over - Afghanistan has nothing to offer it's neighbors either.
That was always the risk after toppling Saddam was that Iran would benefit from the power vacuum, so we "had to stay" (they told us/themselves) As it turns out they did anyway because of our attempt to nationbuild, not only failed to fill the power vacuum, but made Iran not look so bad to a portion of their population compared to us.
All we seem to have learned from Vietnam is that we evidently need to do it in multiple theaters around the world at the same time and that will make it all better...
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Yup, the whole "From my cold dead hands" thing.
The trouble is, they are turning up the heat too fast, and the frog will jump. First, they need to just implement licensing. Then discretionary licensing. Then register "transactions" (not guns). Then they can start tightening things up. Look how well it is working here. We just sit here and take it.
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