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In latest clash with NRA, Gov. Newsom signs bill to help police trace guns

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New pistol models sold in California will eventually have to include micro-stamping technology that will make them easier to trace by law enforcement if they are used in crimes, under legislation signed Tuesday by Gov. Gavin Newsom.

The measure is the latest flashpoint in a years-long battle between the governor and the National Rifle Assn. that included a clash over Proposition 63, a 2016 initiative by then-Lt. Gov. Newsom, which regulated guns and ammunition.

The NRA has sued the state half a dozen times to challenge gun laws supported by Newsom, including that initiative.

The new law, which takes effect July 1, 2022, also requires the handguns to be equipped with safety measures including chamber load indicators and magazine disconnect mechanisms.

 
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I find it hilarious that people acknowledge criminals grinding off giant stamped letters happens and then somehow think printing the serial number super tiny somehow gives the markings magical anti-tamper properties.

Hey you f***ing morons. When you make something smaller its easier to erase.
 

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I find it hilarious that people acknowledge criminals grinding off giant stamped letters happens and then somehow think printing the serial number super tiny somehow gives the markings magical anti-tamper properties.

Hey you f***ing morons. When you make something smaller its easier to erase.
It's not about solving crimes.

It's about limiting the supply of legal guns in the state.

All you need is about 10 seconds on a dremel tool to remove a micro stamp.

Better yet, just spend $20 on a brand new firing pin.
 

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It also doesn't PREVENT crimes. It's an after-action issue. "Hey look - that little # in the gun that corresponds to those 48 homicides. We got him!" "I found that gun in the sewer." "DAMMIT!!!!"

But it sounds good, costs the state ZERO and they can go around patting themselves on the back.
 

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They also call it the “Back door handgun ban”, for every new handgun they add to the CA list, they need to remove three old ones... so at some future date CA may only have a single permitted handgun model...
 

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Firing pin registry. You’ll probably have to fill out a form and pay for a CA tax stamp to the Department of Equalization to buy one.
 

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So are the guns that police use going to have these restrictions? Magazine disconnect? Manual safety? Loaded chamber indicator? 10rd magazine limit? 10lb trigger?

If not, why?
 
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Is it even possible to create 10,000 or 100,000 or 1M different firing pins that actually imprint a unique and detectable mark? Will they need a super duper $5 unobtainium primer cup material that goes along with the new firing pins? A lot of guns smear the primer dent to some degree as the spent brass is extracted/ejected. They are making law on theory, not settled science. Of course, that does not matter.
 

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Well, no. But it solves the problem of people thinking you have to do something about the problem.

You don't think politicians, in general, are in office to help people, are you??? You might get a few state congress folk that actually care. You'll probably find a good # of them in town politics. But that's it. The rest are 100% out for themselves.
 

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California Governor Gavin Newsom (D) signed a law Wednesday requiring new guns to be outfitted with technology that has proven unworkable wherever it has been tried.

Gun Owners of California reports Newsom signed AB 2847, which “forces manufacturers to use microstamping technology in order to have new handguns on the approved [California DOJ] roster.”

The CA DOJ maintains a roster of new guns approved for sale in the state of California. Beginning July 1, 2022, only new guns with microstamping technology will be added to the list.

Moreover, each time a gun with microstamping technology is added to the roster three guns without such technology will be removed.

Microstamping technology has proven unworkable everywhere it has been tried, as it is easily thwarted by criminals who understand how it works.

For example, on November 8, 2015, Breitbart News reported Maryland ended a ballistic fingerprinting program after spending 15 years and $5 million without solving a single crime. The New York Times reported New York also tried an experiment with microstamping/ballistic marking requirements beginning on 2009.

State lawmakers defunded the failed experiment in 2012.

National Shooting Sports Foundation’s public affairs director Mark Olivia told Breitbart News:

Governor Newsom hasn’t heard a gun control idea that he doesn’t like. Independent studies show that microstamping is easily defeated with a thirty-cent sheet of sandpaper and cannot deliver legible markings after repeated strikes of the firing pin. This law isn’t about reducing crime. This law is about erasing gun rights in California. That’s why he included a provision to speed up his slow-rolling handgun ban.
The Los Angeles Times reports California Attorney General Xavier Becerra and Los Angeles City Atty. Mike Feuer both support the the microstamping requirement. Becerra also supports a “high capacity” magazine ban for California and Feuer is a staunch advocate of California’s confiscatory Gun Violence Restraining Orders.

Newsom also signed AB 2362 on Wednesday, putting new gun controls into place for licensed gun dealers. The Firearms Policy Coalition reports that AB 2362 adds fines up to $3,000 for clerical errors on paperwork.

 

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Newsom is the poster child for hating America...,pretty sure him and Maura are from the same litter of puppies.
Most of the state hates him (aside from the oblivious far left), and most every other state hates him for driving Californians out and into their areas where they’ll f*ck things up..
Guy is useless . We need to bring back public lynching for this guy.
 

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"The ATF maintains a firearm-tracing database to assist federal, state, local, and even foreign law enforcement agencies in investigating the sale and possession of certain firearms. And that database is exempt from FOIA, says the Second Circuit. So a nonprofit seeking information about firearms used in suicides is out of luck."

That Nonprofit just happens to be Everytown.
 

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At some point enough people will start ignoring the law (this should be happening already) What are the ruling class going to do then.
 

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At some point enough people will start ignoring the law (this should be happening already) What are the ruling class going to do then.

It has been happening for a while now. The state is just ignoring the ones that didn’t comply and they pick them off one by one when other things happen.

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By the end of 2013, state police had received 47,916 applications for assault weapons certificates, Lt. Paul Vance said. An additional 2,100 that were incomplete could still come in.

That 50,000 figure could be as little as 15 percent of the rifles classified as assault weapons owned by Connecticut residents, according to estimates by people in the industry, including the Newtown-based National Shooting Sports Foundation. No one has anything close to definitive figures, but the most conservative estimates place the number of unregistered assault weapons well above 50,000, and perhaps as high as 350,000.

And that means as of Jan. 1, Connecticut has very likely created tens of thousands of newly minted criminals — perhaps 100,000 people, almost certainly at least 20,000 — who have broken no other laws. By owning unregistered guns defined as assault weapons, all of them are committing Class D felonies.

Dan Haar: Untold Thousands Flout Gun Registration Law

Many then asked New York State how many gun owners had registered their “assault weapons” by the April 2014 deadline set by New York’s SAFE Act (the SAFE Act also considers some shotguns to be “assault weapons”). New York State refused to answer the question, but the NSSF said it estimates that about one million residents of New York State had so-called “assault weapons” at the time of the ban.

Nearly One Million New Yorkers Didn't Register Their 'Assault Weapons'
 
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So are the guns that police use going to have these restrictions? Magazine disconnect? Manual safety? Loaded chamber indicator? 10rd magazine limit? 10lb trigger?

If not, why?


You laugh, but there was a time when I looked at a 10# trigger with admiration. It was a government gun. Rumor has it, when we went to the HnK, the rep dry fired it and it was tested on the second trigger pull. I'm sure it's a joke at this point, but I know the 8ish lb trigger on the HnK was thought as 'light' by the testing officials. I don't miss the old 96D at all.
 
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