pastera
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Have you done a transfer?
If so then they have enough information to out all of your guns acquired in the released time frame
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If so then they have enough information to out all of your guns acquired in the released time frame
groundscrapers
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I could find you by knowing something you may have bought or sold recently and what town you live in.
You're right. I missed a lot by not reading everything 1st, before asking questions. I downloaded the files after they changed, explaining why I couldn't see what many were reporting.
Most computer geeks good enough to run a program to find who has the most guns on this spread sheet likely has better things to do that rob the guy.
Running a program?
A pivot table will tell you that in a few seconds.
huskyal02_R1
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But it doesn't show if you sell your pew pew to out of state dealers. Yes, per the data, a person should have x amount of pew pew, but if you sell out of state to a FFL, there is not record of it in MA.
EJFudd
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That's a whole separate issue... and yes, it would be nice if the MA gun transaction portal allowed you to record transfers to FFLs outside of MA.
Goliathan
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It's s giant .csv file with hundreds of thousands of entries. You might be able to do it eventually but some things are just meant to be dealt with on a real computer.
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Quite_Exasperated
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How do they keep that information updated? When I move out of the northeast the only thing I’m leaving behind is the slight eau de taint as I drive by the state house with my balloon knot in full display mode…
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amm5061
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Seriously, you can aggregate this data in about 15 seconds thanks to excel pivot tables.
Shit my wife could do this easily, and she doesn't know shit about computers, generally, other than how to use them to do her job.
No, it wouldn't. That's honestly none of their business.
amm5061
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None of it is their business and it's all unconstitutional bullshit anyhow.
It's bad enough that they have made up law on the instructions page for that f****** thing..... "register everything here" yeah sure.....
EJFudd
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Some folks (including yours truly) like the idea that the FRB database would be able to show the gun as legally transferred out of their possession when the shit hits the fan on that gun years later. If there is harm in that, I'm not seeing it.
Mesatchornug
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Anything you say can be used against you...Some folks (including yours truly) like the idea that the FRB database would be able to show the gun as legally transferred out of their possession when the shit hits the fan on that gun years later. If there is harm in that, I'm not seeing it.
They will never use it in your favor.
It's a write-only database. Nothing comes off of it. You are never listed as no longer owning it.
We are all benefited by the reasonable doubt that comes with our "not a registry" being as porous as it is. We would be better benefited if it didn't exist at all.
The database being shit is more useful. Think creatively.Some folks (including yours truly) like the idea that the FRB database would be able to show the gun as legally transferred out of their possession when the shit hits the fan on that gun years later. If there is harm in that, I'm not seeing it.
Some folks (including yours truly) like the idea that the FRB database would be able to show the gun as legally transferred out of their possession when the shit hits the fan on that gun years later. If there is harm in that, I'm not seeing it.
The harm is you are giving them data they are not entitled to and do not deserve.
Further a filing as such is worthless, anyone can do it, it's proof of a large case of absolutely nothing.
If your concern is covering your ass, you're better off with retaining a dated receipt from the intaking FFL that basically says they received the gun. That's far better "proof" than a filing in some crappy database.
At BASS PRO last week, gun counter guy tells a guy buying a shotgun "this is the FA10, it is not a registration, it is more of a bill of sale from us to you".
Walking by the Bass Pro gun counter, which I haven't done in years until last week, you hear some funny sh*t.
Walking by the Bass Pro gun counter, which I haven't done in years until last week, you hear some funny sh*t.
Goliathan
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There already is a bill of sale that has nothing to do with the state. The technical term, I believe, is "bill of sale."
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Well, you did buy a Creedmoor, so hanging out at the BP gun counter is a logical next step.
EJFudd
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You must think I was born yesterday.
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Too funny! Thank you for the education on how the FRB database works. ![[cheers]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/018.gif "Cheers [cheers]")
I am not asking for or expecting that a legit transfer record will be removed. I am asking for a new transfer record that shows the gun is no longer in my possession. You can do that for a personal transfer or a MA dealer transfer, but you cannot do that for a transfer to an out-of-state dealer. Why?
EJFudd
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Yeah, I'm real good at keeping paper receipts for guns I'm sold or traded in over the last 5 decades. Yeah, that works.
Goliathan
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I guess I don't see the point of making the database larger. In the best case scenario they have record of something you should have record of yourself. In the more likely case it's inaccurate, non-useful, and inadmissible anyway, unless it's to be used against you. Honest question: what's the benefit?You must think I was born yesterday.
I am not asking for or expecting that a legit transfer record will be removed. I am asking for a new transfer record that shows the gun is no longer in my possession. You can do that for a personal transfer or a MA dealer transfer, but you cannot do that for a transfer to an out-of-state dealer. Why?
Respectfully, I'm not trusting the gubmint to keep a record I would need to get myself out of trouble. But that's just me.Yeah, I'm real good at keeping paper receipts for guns I'm sold or traded in over the last 5 decades. Yeah, that works.
Mesatchornug
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Not at all.
You seem to be under the impression any of this will help you. It won't. It can't.
I am not asking for or expecting that a legit transfer record will be removed. I am asking for a new transfer record that shows the gun is no longer in my possession. You can do that for a personal transfer or a MA dealer transfer,
Because it's not a registry of firearms. It's a registry of transactions among MA licensees.but you cannot do that for a transfer to an out-of-state dealer. Why?
Why do you want an in-fact registry?
CrackPot
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It’s far more accurate than calling it registration. It is just the recording of a transfer and nothing more. All the state ever knows is what was sold/transferred to you at a given point in time. They never can and never will know what you actually have. You can have nothing that was previously transferred to you and lawfully have 100 guns the state has no clue about.
The fact that they think the database has a relation to what you actually possess is either willful ignorance or malicious intent.
Goliathan
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And yet here we are.
Is a "transaction registry" that can be used against you like an in-fact registry can be used against you really a different thing in practical terms?
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