If I Buy A "Pre 8/1" Lower - How Do I Know It Was In State If No FA10? Also, A New Section In The Classifieds For Pre 8/1 Guns

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That is the question...

If I Buy A "Pre 8/1" Lower - How Do I Know It Was In State - If No FA10?

I think there should be a Pre 8/1 section in the classifieds.

Pre 8/1 and current "legal" guns are two different animals and should be treated at such.

People looking for Pre 8/1 guns should not have to weed through hundreds of ads for guns that are unsuitable in any practical manner.
 
The reality is you have no way except taking a seller's claim at face value. Any documentation is easily forged. Bad faith flippers will be eager to screw people like you and laugh after they do it. You might be able to get a born on date from a manufacturer but nothing useful beyond that.
 
CMEBoston said:
We don’t need another classified section for dealers to plug up…
The consolidation of laugh reacts to the pricing may crash the whole shebang
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Dealers won’t be allowed.

They can’t sell Pre 8/1 lowers or rifles.

Those items can only be sold as personal transfers now.

Let’s create a section of all the special items rather than compliant single shot fixed magazine ARs that serve no purpose.
 
Is a stripped lower now a "firearm" by definition? If so, what type of license is required to possess such zero-capacity firearms? How many can I transfer without having a dealer license? Can a trigger lock...
 
pupchow said:
Is a stripped lower now a "firearm" by definition? If so, what type of license is required to possess such zero-capacity firearms? How many can I transfer without having a dealer license? Can a trigger lock...
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Yes, a stripped lower is a firearm. You need a LTC.

You can sell 4 per calendar year.

There will not be a glut in the market.

People who bought 50x stripped Anderson Lowers for $300 each at The Mill can only sell 4 per year.

Therefore those lowers are now worth much more than $300.

Supply and demand.

The government is limiting sales to just 4 per year per person.

I would not be concerned about people selling Post 8/1 lowers being touted as Pre 8/1. The reason why is that no more lowers can be imported legally to a FFL at this point - so the supply for all new lowers is cut off.

Of course a criminal can do it.

They can buy some lowers in NH (if NH resident) and sell them in Massachusetts under the guise of a legal sale. But if the buyer wants to see their Mass LTC and the seller does not have one a wise Massachusetts buyer should know better.
 
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Reptile said:
Let’s create a section of all the special items rather than compliant single shot fixed magazine ARs that serve no purpose.
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Umm…no.

Or, draft a bill of sale with a half-assed “pains of penalty and perjury” statement and have it notarized. Make sure you both provide the LTCs instead of drivers licenses.
 
Reptile said:
Dealers won’t be allowed.

They can’t sell Pre 8/1 lowers or rifles.

Those items can only be sold as personal transfers now.

Let’s create a section of all the special items rather than compliant single shot fixed magazine ARs that serve no purpose.
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Where do you get this shit
it's not 'pre' anything. Possessed ON! If it was possessed on 8/1 it's not an ASF and can be transferred.

And I don't see a moderator tag so who ate you to say that dealers can't post in your wet dream section?
If Kamala gets to appoint a couple of justices then nothing will be legal.
If Trump gets in then we may see Snope get Cert and kill off all feature based bans.
If it doesn't get Cert, pray that we can get traction based on Canjura.

Either way, the die has been cast - bans will either be gone or total within 5-10 years.
 
Reptile said:
That is the question...

If I Buy A "Pre 8/1" Lower - How Do I Know It Was In State - If No FA10?

I think there should be a Pre 8/1 section in the classifieds.

Pre 8/1 and current "legal" guns are two different animals and should be treated at such.

People looking for Pre 8/1 guns should not have to weed through hundreds of ads for guns that are unsuitable in any practical manner.
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You love mental maturation don't you...when does your mom call you down for dinner each night?
 
Reptile said:
That is the question...

If I Buy A "Pre 8/1" Lower - How Do I Know It Was In State - If No FA10?

I think there should be a Pre 8/1 section in the classifieds.

Pre 8/1 and current "legal" guns are two different animals and should be treated at such.

People looking for Pre 8/1 guns should not have to weed through hundreds of ads for guns that are unsuitable in any practical manner.
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I have a Spikes Tactical with original receipt with s/n listed if you’re interested. For you, I’ll give you a 50% discount if I can stay at your ski chalet this winter.
 
Reptile said:
Dealers won’t be allowed.

They can’t sell Pre 8/1 lowers or rifles.

Those items can only be sold as personal transfers now.

Let’s create a section of all the special items rather than compliant single shot fixed magazine ARs that serve no purpose.
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There is at least one NH dealer selling items to MA residents that are not pre 8/1
 
Reptile said:
That is the question...

If I Buy A "Pre 8/1" Lower - How Do I Know It Was In State - If No FA10?

I think there should be a Pre 8/1 section in the classifieds.

Pre 8/1 and current "legal" guns are two different animals and should be treated at such.

People looking for Pre 8/1 guns should not have to weed through hundreds of ads for guns that are unsuitable in any practical manner.
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Reptile said:
I would not be concerned about people selling Post 8/1 lowers being touted as Pre 8/1. The reason why is that no more lowers can be imported legally to a FFL at this point - so the supply for all new lowers is cut off.
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from the OP themself.
/thread.
 
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Reptile said:
Yes, a stripped lower is a firearm. You need a LTC.

You can sell 4 per calendar year.

There will not be a glut in the market.

People who bought 50x stripped Anderson Lowers for $300 each at The Mill can only sell 4 per year.

Therefore those lowers are now worth much more than $300.

Supply and demand.

The government is limiting sales to just 4 per year per person.

I would not be concerned about people selling Post 8/1 lowers being touted as Pre 8/1. The reason why is that no more lowers can be imported legally to a FFL at this point - so the supply for all new lowers is cut off.

Of course a criminal can do it.

They can buy some lowers in NH (if NH resident) and sell them in Massachusetts under the guise of a legal sale. But if the buyer wants to see their Mass LTC and the seller does not have one a wise Massachusetts buyer should know better.
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Yep. Worth much more. . . right up until the courts tell mASS to piss off.

That could be 2025. It oculd be 2026. It could be 2030. No one knows. But it's inevitable. At 4 a year, you're betting it's gonna take 12 years to get legal'd. I guess I'm more hopeful.
 
It seems quite obvious at this point that stocking up on pre ban mags and stripped lowers to re-sell at ridiculous prices was a bad investment.

But some don't want to accept that and just keep looking for that Hail Mary.

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There is no way to tell the 08/01 date. You have to take the dealer at their word, and that word becomes diluted each time the item is transferred. 08/01 may be law, but it's largely unenforceable. I've already seen the "this person told me that this person, who got it from this person, had this in state on blah blah blah." It's all nonsense and it's incredibly easy to manipulate the "paperwork" showing the date something was here. Buying from trustworthy people / dealers is the best you can do.
 
Reptile said:
Dealers won’t be allowed.

They can’t sell Pre 8/1 lowers or rifles.

Those items can only be sold as personal transfers now.

Let’s create a section of all the special items rather than compliant single shot fixed magazine ARs that serve no purpose.
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I've seen contrary evidence at an FFL...
 
Reptile said:
Dealers won’t be allowed.

They can’t sell Pre 8/1 lowers or rifles.

Those items can only be sold as personal transfers now.
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That's no where in the new law, I think it originated with the "dealers can't sell long guns 'cause not on the roster" thing, wasn't even specific to 8/1 stuff and never became an issue.
For now anyway...
 
wcorey said:
That's no where in the new law, I think it originated with the "dealers can't sell long guns 'cause not on the roster" thing, wasn't even specific to 8/1 stuff and never became an issue.
For now anyway...
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That absolutely was an issue and the reason EOPS rushed out a memo telling dealers it is okay to sell long guns that aren't considered ASFs.
 
State would need to prove it was not in the state prior to 8/1.

They can state it's not in the efa system, however, the EafA system is not and was not all inclusive, if the state can't pull up a post 8/1 4473, then they wouldn't be able to prove it wasn't here earlier.

The state likes to burden shift, but I don't think that'll hold up in this cluster f***.
 
pastera said:
That absolutely was an issue and the reason EOPS rushed out a memo telling dealers it is okay to sell long guns that aren't considered ASFs.
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The language of the memo was:
Additionally, under the Act and 501 CMR 7.00, dealers may continue to sell shotguns and rifles so long as they are not otherwise prohibited in Massachusetts, pending further guidance from the Firearms Control Advisory Board.

Would this not include “grandfathered” long guns as they are ‘not otherwise prohibited’? (Not receivers though)

Or was there additional non-public “further guidance” relating to dealer re-sale of used pre-bans?
 
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