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Kind of an odd off the wall question.

I was at the music store yesterday and went to make a purchase. I handed the clerk my credit card and he in return asked for me for my ID ,which i seem to have misplaced. needless to say i didnt geto to make my purchase.
but while i was fishing through my wallet looking for it, i noticed my LTC,
which begged the question, is a Class A LTC a valid massachusetts ID?

I mean, for all the headache and expense of getting this stupid thing, is it usefull as a form of ID in the state of mass?
if not,something needs to change
 
I would be curious to know why they asked you for your ID and then denied the purchase because you couldn't provide it.
 
C-pher said:
Because how do they really know that he's the true owner of the card? He could have stolen the CC and then tried to use it.

The company is covering thier asses.
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I've used credit cards many times in stores where I am not known and do not recall ever being asked for identification. If it was a very large purchase, an age-restricted item (and he looked underage), or something along these lines I might understand. It's not germane to his question about identification, just came across as a bit curious to me.

edited to add: It sounded like a store he frequents.
 
I usually dont get hassled either with my debit card, but in all fairness my card resides i my front pocket, is my primary form of money, and is almost completely wiped clean cosmetically .. it clearly shows VOID in the signature box :P ..
and its only a coupole months old.
ive suggested that they make acid etched aluminum cards or something ,becuase for contractors and people like me these flimsy pieces of plastic dont hold up to the punishment.

but i looked at my LTC and thoght the wiser of using it for some reason. why i dont know..you beat a dog enough i guess..
 
It's definitely a valid state issued photo ID. You can use it for everything from purchases to getting on a plane. I'm a young looking guy of 24, and I get carded for everything from lottery to bars. Sometimes doormen at bars even challenge the validity of my license and ask for a backup... I always hand them my LTC (restricted, I can't carry). Then they are left without a doubt and say go right in.
 
SnakeEye said:
is a Class A LTC a valid massachusetts ID?
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Of course it is. Think it through - is it issued by the state? YES.

Does it have your photo on it? YES.

Is verification required before it is issued? Yes.

So, what's the problem?

Note that I have used mine when "photo ID" was required. One TSA cretin, whose narrow little mind could only process driver's licenses, asked if I had one of THOSE when I showed her the LTC. Not having the time or patience at that point to educate her (and having little faith in her skills on that point), I showed her the driver's license.

One baggage guard tried to reject the LTC, demanding a "STATE license!" I pointed to the words "Commonwealth of Massachusetts" at the top of the license and asked "What's THAT say?!" I got my baggage.

Other than those two incidents, I've not really had any problems.
 
Pilgrim said:
I'd say that a valid ID is anything that the requestor will accept. I've used my LTC. It's issued by the state and has my photo and fingerprint. What more could a person ask for as an ID?
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Yup, you hit the nail on the head. They can accept of deny the LTC or any other form of "ID". It's whatever their policy dictates.
 
Scrivener said:
Of course it is. Think it through - is it issued by the state? YES.

Does it have your photo on it? YES.

Is verification required before it is issued? Yes.

So, what's the problem?
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the things dont exactly look official..no holograms no seals, nothing....
My LTC looks like they just took a pair of scissors to my application and sloppily cut out the address info and just laminated it with a picture sandwiched in there for looks.
In all honesty if i were a liquor or tobacco merchant i would refuse it based on how much of a high school fake I.D. project it looks like/ my class A ALP LTC looks nothing like the one on packing.org.
 
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You must still have the old style LTC. I still have the same one as well, and I can't wait until I renew so I can get the new style that will actually fit correctly in my wallet. But that won't be for another 4.5 years!

Adam
 
If a credit/debit card is not signed, or the signature panel is unreadable, then the store will almost always ask for an ID.


And yes, anything issued by the state or federal government with your photo on it is acceptable. I have a travel agent ID card which I have been known to present.
 
hell , most places like bars/clubs have it posted that they wont accept a mass liquor or military ID. So i can only imagine you would just be laughed at trying to show an LTC.

i think this calls for an experiment...
im going to shelve my Mass Drivers licence (put it in my glove compartment) for the next monrth and see if i cant get by with my LTC alone..
anyone want to join along!?
 
SnakeEye said:
hell , most places like bars/clubs have it posted that they wont accept a mass liquor or military ID. So i can only imagine you would just be laughed at trying to show an LTC.

i think this calls for an experiment...
im going to shelve my Mass Drivers licence (put it in my glove compartment) for the next monrth and see if i cant get by with my LTC alone..
anyone want to join along!?
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Don't leave it in the glovie. Just throw it in another pocket.
 
daisywench said:
If a credit/debit card is not signed, or the signature panel is unreadable, then the store will almost always ask for an ID.
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Yeah RIGHT! Just this past Saturday I was paying for dinner, and I was AMAZED that the waitress asked for my ID. I wrote "SEE ID" 3 years ago on this card to see what would happen. She is one of only 2-3 people who have ever even asked.

Adam
 
We've got "See ID" on the backs of all our cards, too, and it's amazing how many store clerks don't bother checking. I just hand over both my ID and the card at the same time now, often the clerk will immediately hand me back my license and say "I don't need that". I point out that they really do [rolleyes]
 
Most people are programmed to only accept a DL as ID. They get all flustered if you try to use something else. No matter that you can buy a DL that none of these people could tell from real for about $100.00. No matter that it's far less likely that someone is going to fake a LTC. No matter that I have at least three other government issued IDs that are much more reliable than a DL. Nope, it's got to be a DL. I even had one person tell me that it has to be a government issued ID with an expiration date. Yeah I know a LTC has that too.

Gary
 
Adam_MA said:
You must still have the old style LTC. I still have the same one as well, and I can't wait until I renew so I can get the new style that will actually fit correctly in my wallet. But that won't be for another 4.5 years!

Adam
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I renewed in December and still got the old style license. Apparently no one is forcing towns to buy the MIRCS equipment or issue new IDs.

Gary
 
i've actually used my handicapped placard, forgot my wallet and its all i had. its state issued and has my picture.

jack
 
I have used my LTC (intentionally) as ID. I have had my DL thrown back at me (literally) by an ignorant postal clerk who refused it as ID because it didn't have my SSN on it . . . many years ago when I was paying the PO Box rental fee (that I had had for ~10 years there). I paid by check which had my address on it and he demanded that I put my SSN on it, I refused and he got upset when I presented my DL and he didn't find a SSN on it! I called for a supervisor . . . but I should have filed a formal complaint against him! [He was in criminal violation of the US Right to Privacy Act of 1974, but I was unaware of that status at that time. Govt agencies are restricted on demanding SSNs, but private merchants are NOT!]

I was in the old Jordan Marsh store one day when a woman tried to use her US Passport as ID to use an American Express Travel Check. I watched as the brain dead clerk refused her and claimed that a US Passport was NOT a valid ID and only a DL would do!

So, a merchant can do whatever they like to ID the person, short of demanding a blood, urine, semen or DNA sample!
 
You guys are talking about MA LTCs, and I can't comment on what their legal status as ID is.

I sell guns part time here in NY, and we have been told specifically by BATFE that we CANNOT accept a New York State LTC as valid ID for purposes of filling out the Federal Form 4473.

They say the reason is that Federal law requires a STATE issued ID with a picture and a physical address (NOT a PO Box), and in NY, Pistol Licenses are issued by the COUNTY.

When we sell a pistol, we have a separate form we have to send to the State Police, and it has a box for "Issuing Authority". We have to put in the name of the JUDGE who signed the permit, HE (or SHE) is considered the "issuing authority".

Regards
John
 
Can your LTC be used as a valid ID? Yes. Absolutely. It's issued from the state, just like your drivers license is. I always use it for an ID if/when asked for one. Had some strange looks, but it was accepted.

State law prohibits asking for an additional ID with a credit card purchase, unless your signature is not on the back of the card, and ONLY then. It's against the law to request an additional ID for CC purchases if your signature is on the CC (or debit card with Visa logo). That law changed a number of years ago when Ed and I had the store.
 
I'd try out this whole experiment of using my LTC, but it has my maiden name on it.

When I got married I notified the state and local PD. I figured somewhere along the line I'd get a new ID, just like when I notified the RMV, Social Security and my credit companies. They all issued me new cards. But no, I have to walk around with an ID that does not have my legal name on it. For 4 more years.

How's THAT for setting me up for problems. Thankfully I always go to Four Seasons and Carl knows me. Bot somewhere along the way I'm sure it's going to be a hassle. Even if the fingerprint matches I have no id that says that's me.
 
SiameseRat said:
I'd try out this whole experiment of using my LTC, but it has my maiden name on it.

When I got married I notified the state and local PD. I figured somewhere along the line I'd get a new ID, just like when I notified the RMV, Social Security and my credit companies. They all issued me new cards. But no, I have to walk around with an ID that does not have my legal name on it. For 4 more years.

How's THAT for setting me up for problems. Thankfully I always go to Four Seasons and Carl knows me. Bot somewhere along the way I'm sure it's going to be a hassle. Even if the fingerprint matches I have no id that says that's me.
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Can you use that to get a new card that's upgraded??
 
SnakeEye said:
...I handed the clerk my credit card and he in return asked for me for my ID ,which i seem to have misplaced. ...
but while i was fishing through my wallet looking for it, i noticed my LTC,
which begged the question, is a Class A LTC a valid massachusetts ID?

I mean, for all the headache and expense of getting this stupid thing, is it usefull as a form of ID in the state of mass?
if not,something needs to change
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Why the heck not?
I figure since the oversized thing is falling out of my wallet most of the time anyhow since it doesn't fit into those nice little slide in pockets. I use mine at the bank, package stores, bars (don't see too many of them any more), etc. Sometimes I'll see the newer ones ask another teller or whatnot to double check it, and then it goes OK. Sometimes they have a problem finding the right license number to write down.

Sometimes they ask "Are you licensed to kill?" or "Ooh, we'll stay away from you." or some other asinine remark.
 
Last October, when I was flying down to Florida, I was in the middle of my Drivers Licence renewal so all I had was a slip, in addition to that my passport is expired as well. When I approched the TSA agent with my ticket, she asked for my Drivers licence which I gave. She said do you have any other valid form of ID or passport since your Drivers licence was expired. I said I did not have my Passport, for it was expired as well. But then handed her my LTC. She had asked what that was. I told her it was my State issued Licence to Carry fire arms licence. She had asked if I was carrying right now and I told her no and she sent me on my way.

So if you can use it at the Airport, then It should be valid as a form of ID. :)
 

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