This is my new James River reconditioned M1 Garand.Its serial in the 5,XXX,XXX range so its 55-56 era.
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I love my new Garand
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Maninblue1861
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Sa, h&r,ihc?
I dont know why.Ive always wanted a garand and the beautiful job they do taking these apart and rebuilding them to like new condition caught my eye.I wish I had a better answer but If I could have found a Garand around here in good condition that wasnt reconditioned I might have considered it but I didnt. Maninblue,It is a Springfield Armory. It has the eagle with the arrows and three stars for the stock proof.
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Maninblue wants to know who the mfg of the rifle is? Springfield Armory (SA) and Winchester were the 2 ww2 mfg's with Springfield Armory, Harrington & Richardson (HR) and International Harvester Co (IHC) being later mfg
No better reason needed, just curious. Enjoy it. Do you homework on the ammo you put in it. Modern. 3006 can be much hotter than the m2 ball that was designed foe the garand and damage can occur
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Thanks,yeah I figured out what he meant after.The place I bought it gave me a couple boxes of M2 and a box of tracers and 5 clips when I bought it and they said the same as you.I got it from BMG in Newington Ct.
Maninblue1861
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Ammo is a huge thing. Use m2 from cmp, 3 or the only known factory ammo known to mil spec is federal eagle, and privi partisan. Stay away from high powered hunting ammo. Saw a guy use it at martin and burns once with a all original h&r. saw his ammo boxes were marked essentially magnum 3006. Warned him the danger, and he said is a tough war horse and kept shooting. So I left. Got about 200 feet down dirt road heard bang, bang, blam!. Went back found guy sitting on ground with gun in pieces. Luckily other than cuts on arm from stock exploding , and Shane has nice rifle was scrap he was fine. Gathered what he could find of his garand and left.
As for the right ammo. Yes any gun can blow.
Will your Garand blow up if you use hunting ammo, not likely as the chamber should be able to handle the preasure of any SAMI spec factory Ammuntion.
set aside that these guns are 50+ years old so past use is unknown.
IT IS THE OPERATING SYSTEM that is in danger due to the gas valume which varries widly.
If you are not familure with how the gas system works on a Garand think of it like this.
If you have a 10lb bowling ball you can palce it on your foot gently with no damage, Now drop that ball from chest high and your foot is crunched. Same thing applies to the gas system/operating rod. When you use a bullet/powder combo that generates a faster or more rapidly expanding gas valume it SLAMS that operating rod sending the bolt crashing into the back of the reciever. Generating enough fource to bend the operating rod and other attached parts. They do make adjustable gas plugs, I find them to be a pain as they need constant attention unless you stock pile a good amount of the same ammo. dollar vs dollar the GARAND specific ammo from fed,hornady,Privi is cheaper than almost any "hunting" ammo. Its also safe.
So if you ever decide to run ammuntion not loaded with the correct burn rate powder basically its the difference between a 300lb lineman walking into you(correct ammo) or running into you at full run.........
http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_information/publications/download/206.pdf if you look through this and find the info on 30-06 you will see even over the wide range of bullet weights and powder charges chamber preasure is very close across the board. Its the gas volume/speed that kills garands.
Will your Garand blow up if you use hunting ammo, not likely as the chamber should be able to handle the preasure of any SAMI spec factory Ammuntion.
set aside that these guns are 50+ years old so past use is unknown.
IT IS THE OPERATING SYSTEM that is in danger due to the gas valume which varries widly.
If you are not familure with how the gas system works on a Garand think of it like this.
If you have a 10lb bowling ball you can palce it on your foot gently with no damage, Now drop that ball from chest high and your foot is crunched. Same thing applies to the gas system/operating rod. When you use a bullet/powder combo that generates a faster or more rapidly expanding gas valume it SLAMS that operating rod sending the bolt crashing into the back of the reciever. Generating enough fource to bend the operating rod and other attached parts. They do make adjustable gas plugs, I find them to be a pain as they need constant attention unless you stock pile a good amount of the same ammo. dollar vs dollar the GARAND specific ammo from fed,hornady,Privi is cheaper than almost any "hunting" ammo. Its also safe.
So if you ever decide to run ammuntion not loaded with the correct burn rate powder basically its the difference between a 300lb lineman walking into you(correct ammo) or running into you at full run.........
http://www.saami.org/specifications_and_information/publications/download/206.pdf if you look through this and find the info on 30-06 you will see even over the wide range of bullet weights and powder charges chamber preasure is very close across the board. Its the gas volume/speed that kills garands.
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Thank you to both you and Maninblue. I will take all you said to memory and use the correct ammo for it. I just recieved my sling and reproduction bayonette from FedEx this morning so the rifle is now complete.
What else do you want to see?
The cautions about using commercial ammunition have to do with port pressure, and not receiver strength. The proof rounds that the M1 were proofed with develop 67, 500 psi and that is well above the 60,000 psi max average pressure spec. that SAAMI lists. Commercial hunting ammunition will bend op. rods and batter the receiver possibly causing cracks. I suspect that there was something other than the ammunition peak pressure to blame for the kaboom.
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lets see some pics. BMG guns is cool, i bought my mosin there.
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Not quite:
The metaphors about the bowling ball and the 300 pound dude involve kinetic energy, in units of ft. lbs. Pressure is a force, in units of psig.
The issue with the M1 and certain ammunition has nothing to do with peak chamber pressure. Rather, it has to do with propellant burn rate, which determines what residual chamber pressure (much lower than peak) will be at the time when the slug has passed the gas port. The spec port pressure for an M1 is (from memory) something like 2K psig, and comparatively "fast" propellants keep port pressure at or below this level: because faster propellants complete their cumbustion at an earlier point of bullet travel, the magnitude of combustion chamber volume expansion post-combustion is larger, which leads to a lower residual pressure at the point where the bullet passes over the gas port.
More modern propellants, particularly with heavier bullets, tend to have a slower burn rate. This means that peak chamber pressure occurs later in the time of bullet travel through the bore, which in turn means that port pressure will be higher.
So the bottom line is not that "bad" rounds burn too quickly, but rather just the reverse.
The problem with factory ammo is that most are loaded with non-canister grade propellents, and, in any event, the propellant is usually not specified on the box. One may assume that with any slug heavier than 150 grains, the propellant is probably too slow for an M1. Unless the round is specifically loaded for M1s, and labeled as such on the box.
For the reloader, life is comparatively simple: stick to powders that are (or are close to) those used to load military M1 rounds, such as 4895, 4064 or Win 748.
Note that the port pressure issue is not limited to M1s, though it is more of a problem for M1s because of the nature of the M1 gas system. To a somewhat lesser effect, the same issue also applies to M14s, M1 Carbines and (to a much lesser extent) M16s/M4s.
Do you guys not see the pic in the beginning or you just want a bunch more? Ill take some more detailed pics and post them.
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The furniture on the rifle looks beautiful. Your photographs don't show the correct sections to see the various stamps that these rifles usually have. I got mine almost two years ago from CMP. I hope you have many years of shooting with her.
I missed that pic.Ill be uploading it shortly.
These aer the two stock markes visable.I read that there are more on the end of the stock but they are covered by a metal plate.
S/N 4,320,000-6,099,905 June 1953-June 1957
Department of Defense Acceptance Stamp (Eagle with 3 stars) .50" by .50". Other stamp used on the stocks was the circled 'P' proof mark (with serifs) on the pistol grip.
http://www.trfindley.com/pgsnstmpsm1.html
S/N 4,320,000-6,099,905 June 1953-June 1957
Department of Defense Acceptance Stamp (Eagle with 3 stars) .50" by .50". Other stamp used on the stocks was the circled 'P' proof mark (with serifs) on the pistol grip.
http://www.trfindley.com/pgsnstmpsm1.html
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It wasnt cheap but about what Ive seen price wise for this condition so I dont think I over paid.Sling and bayonet are repro from cheaper than dirt.
Step 1:Slip it on the gift registry.
Step 2: Shhh! Tell no one!
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit.
