Do you want your name and address published in the paper because you own guns? Serious question.
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Do you want your name and address published in the paper because you own guns? Serious question.
Become a LEO.
I'm lost . . . who do you want to "remind"?
Notice ELECTED officials are NOT protected by this law.
No idea, but best guess is the major newspapers and I'm willing to bet that I'm right.
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I don't own any guns. Publishing gun owners names is not a stellar idea, but secret permits are not a stellar idea either. Wasn't one of the gun orgs trying to get a list of NYC carry permits to show discrimination?
I wonder if the big NRA sticker on my front door gives me away 
...no, I really dont have that. But it makes me wonder what type of person would actually break into my house knowing I have firearms strategically placed throughout my house.
I tend to think of the published NY list as a list of houses to avoid if you were going to commit a crime.
...no, I really dont have that. But it makes me wonder what type of person would actually break into my house knowing I have firearms strategically placed throughout my house.
I tend to think of the published NY list as a list of houses to avoid if you were going to commit a crime.
Well as a gun owner, I DO care and I don't want that information released. Why? Because it's nobody's goddamn business, that's why. If somebody knows that I own guns, it's because I've told them so.
The type of person who waits until you go out and then goes in and steals your guns.
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Do you think there should be secret government licenses?
Government licensing of the lawful activity of free men is immoral and the path to servitude and slavery.
Why do you think the fact that I own guns should be a matter of public record? You're not going to fix the licensing issue by publicizing gun owners' names and addresses, and you will in fact create a public safety issue by doing so.
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i dont own any guns yet but i agree i dont want my info out there because it the shit hits the fan i would become a target
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I don't believe there should be any secret gov't licenses. Liberty gets funny with little well meaning exceptions.
The NYC List was published a few years ago. I saw a copy, with names/addresses of numerous NYPD officers who I know personally.
Nothing will prevent a disgruntled employee from breaching security anywhere. . . or shooting up their workplace either (e.g. Maj. Hassan, Mongo in Wakefield, etc.).
Shouldn't be any licenses.
However a not so big stretch of your thinking might be to release personal medical info on anyone covered by any gov't provide insurance (e.g. Medicare, Medicaid, Champs, other Mil/Civilian gov't employee plans, etc.). Now do you think that is a good idea? After all, the gov't is paying the tab for the insurance or the care they get, right?
Let's say we have your way and all records of gun permit holders are made public record. How far should it go? Should it just be retrievable via a FOIA request like that NY newspaper did? Should there be a posting on the bulletin board of every town hall when licenses are issued or renewed? It's 2013, how about a twitter feed?
I think we're both on the same page about requiring a license being BS, yes? Can we also agree that, at least in MA, licensing for gun owners isn't going away anytime soon? Assuming you're still with me, answer me this: what legitimate purpose will be served by publicizing this information?
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Sunshine is a beautiful thing. There should be no gun licenses and no secret gov't licenses. Just having one doesn't justify having the other.
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Given the number of firearms in America, it's a lot closer to the phonebook than most people realize.
You're missing the point entirely and dodging my questions. If we're going to hope for something, I want a pony too.
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Yes, there should be no licenses....but that is not a reasonable hope in Massachusetts.
"Concealed means concealed" applies to more than just having a gat on your belt.
If a gun owner wishes to "advertise" s/he can get a "Protected by Smith & Wesson" sign for the house; put NRA and Zombie Response Team stickers on their car. Hell, it's not unlawful to have a non-large-capacity rifle in a rack in your pickup!
But, it should be the individual's choice.
The intent of this sort of thing is not "sunshine", but the glare of notoriety, and ( in the eyes of the Antis, Shame).
There's a reason that these records are "sealed" - just like medical records. One could argue that since AIDS is a bad thing, all persons' medical records should be open and accessible, to make sure that the new hire at your work is not festering with germs. Or ever saw a shrink. Or ever received antibiotics (might have been VD, after all).
But nobody thinks that that's a good idea....do they?
Yes, there should be no licenses....but that is not a reasonable hope in Massachusetts.
"Concealed means concealed" applies to more than just having a gat on your belt.
If a gun owner wishes to "advertise" s/he can get a "Protected by Smith & Wesson" sign for the house; put NRA and Zombie Response Team stickers on their car. Hell, it's not unlawful to have a non-large-capacity rifle in a rack in your pickup!
But, it should be the individual's choice.
The intent of this sort of thing is not "sunshine", but the glare of notoriety, and ( in the eyes of the Antis, Shame).
There's a reason that these records are "sealed" - just like medical records. One could argue that since AIDS is a bad thing, all persons' medical records should be open and accessible, to make sure that the new hire at your work is not festering with germs. Or ever saw a shrink. Or ever received antibiotics (might have been VD, after all).
But nobody thinks that that's a good idea....do they?
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Tsk tsk tsk. MA has lost because you guys have accepted your lot.
FFL information is public information. I get the occasional phone call asking me to facilitate a transfer (I can't....). A somewhat rare knock on the door looking for my "shop" or "store" (I don't have one). Then every so often a strange car that drives down my driveway and then turns around and leaves. I don't hold with publishing that info without permission. The only way I'll be able to get out from under that crap now is to move after my FFL expires in 2014 (I'll not be renewing it). Still, that info will be out there forever and it would not surprise me if the new owners of my home had that same creepy feeling I get when someone unknown and unexpected knocks on the door looking for ammo or guns. Its enough to make me give up the sport entirely.
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That Guy
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Really? Tell me more about how much you know about what people in this thread have done (or failed to do) regarding laws in MA.
Memo: Nice but would be better if dated and signed!
I hope this isn't a new trend . . . issuing policy statements w/o dates and signatures by those responsible for the policies.
I hope this isn't a new trend . . . issuing policy statements w/o dates and signatures by those responsible for the policies.
I'm willing to bet that Cambridge or some other bastion of fascism will release their info.
Welcome back my friend!
Yes and I know of one town that released that info to an attorney in a case once a few years ago. Town Counsels usually know even less about MA gun laws that LEOs! When the mistake was realized, they asked for the list back but the attorney intentionally embarrassed the police chief by forcing them to admit to the judge what they did and having the judge order the list returned to the chief in court. Story was told to me by the attorney (a banned ex-member).
