How to sell and transfer a gun in mass?

1. Meet person.
2. Verify they have the correct license.
3. Fill out e-fa10.
4. Take money.
5. Give them the firearm.

or...

meet at an FFL if you're not sure
 
Dream to Dream said:
http://goal.org/handgunsales.html
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Well, sadly the GOAL site hasn't kept up to the law or reality wrt MA gun laws.

three-part carbonless form
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How long since any of you have seen one of these antiques? They stole the NES PDF for a few years and then the 2012 1-part form allegedly came out (I never saw one in the wild however) and 1/1/15 came around with the new law mandating online transactions of this nature ONLY.

So the theory here on the GOAL site is still useful but the mechanics aren't accurate anymore.
 
Emoto said:
What if I still have the 3 part paper forms?
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They will not accept them for FTF transactions. They will ONLY accept them for transfers to MA or non-MA dealers if you want them out of your name as "last to own" on the "certified list" that FRB issues for court cases.

This info was per my phone conversation with Michaela a week ago.
 
Step one: Put the house up for sale
Step two: sign a P&S for a nice new house in NH with lots of land to shoot on
Step three: Close on house in MA
Step four: close on house in NH
Step five: keep the gun and enjoy being in a free state
 
Len-2A Training said:
They will not accept them for FTF transactions. They will ONLY accept them for transfers to MA or non-MA dealers if you want them out of your name as "last to own" on the "certified list" that FRB issues for court cases.

This info was per my phone conversation with Michaela a week ago.
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I used one at the beginning of the month and have not heard back like with the NES PDF. The PDF I got a letter about a week after the transfer.
 
the_shootist said:
Step one: Put the house up for sale
Step two: sign a P&S for a nice new house in NH with lots of land to shoot on
Step three: Close on house in MA
Step four: close on house in NH
Step five: keep the gun and enjoy being in a free state
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I hate these kinds of answers. Unfortunately you forgot:

Step 6: Get used to losing 10 hours per week in additional commuting time.
Step 7: Spend 20K/yr per child on private school if you want them to get the same education they are getting at one of the great Eastern MA public schools.

Re step 7 - Yes, I know, no income tax. Yes, I know MA schools are full of moobattyness. Good parents can counter that. Obviously the best answer is to home school kids. But we aren't all able to do that.

Don

p.s. Once the kids are out of high school we will high tail it to NH, or maybe even AZ, but for now, there are a lot of plusses to MA. (like an exploding job market) Sad but true.
 
There's also a license verification option on the site that you can use to verify a license before you meet. I think I've used it in the past for a face-to-face when there was a good amount of driving involved. It just made everyone more comfortable with the situation.

If you're the seller, make sure you know your PIN before you meet. It stinks to meet up and not be able to complete the transfer because you don't have the PIN.

If you've lost your PIN, see this.
 
dcmdon said:
Just write your PIN on the back of your license.
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And be damned sure not to lose your wallet. Alternately, write it on another card that you always have with you (drivers license is a good one), and you can write it out of sequence for additional security.
Mike S said:
http://goal.org/handgunsales.html has been updated to reflect current law. Not sure that I can say the same about the MA web pages lol.

Guys, please do GOAL a solid, if you see bad info, please contact them and let them know instead of using it as an opportunity to snipe.

Thanks.
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Just to let everyone here know, I'd emailed Mike about the errors on the page on the day before Memorial Day, and it was corrected by Tuesday. These folks work hard and deserve recognition for it. Clearly they are willing and able to address issues promptly, so please take heed of Mike's message to you... if something's incorrect, let them know about it.

Thanks again, Mike.
 
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I apologize if this is a dumb question, but can someone please explain to me the value of the PIN other than adding friction to firearm transactions.

I mean, your picture is on your LTC. What value does a PIN add?

Don
 
I believe it is now required for all purchases at an FFL. Im probably wrong.

dcmdon said:
I apologize if this is a dumb question, but can someone please explain to me the value of the PIN other than adding friction to firearm transactions.

I mean, your picture is on your LTC. What value does a PIN add?

Don
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A1850 said:
I believe it is now required for all purchases at an FFL. Im probably wrong.
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Thats irrelevant. What value does the pin add?

How does it make the transaction safer or more secure.

It would seem that since the LTC has a photo of you on it, the pin doesn't help the dealer know any more surely that you are who you say you are.

Don
 
dcmdon said:
Thats irrelevant. What value does the pin add?

How does it make the transaction safer or more secure.

It would seem that since the LTC has a photo of you on it, the pin doesn't help the dealer know any more surely that you are who you say you are.

Don
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Since the fingerprint is no longer done on MIRCS for dealer sales, the state has to do something to inconvenience you instead. That's their job. Jack.
 
dcmdon said:
Thats irrelevant. What value does the pin add?

How does it make the transaction safer or more secure.

It would seem that since the LTC has a photo of you on it, the pin doesn't help the dealer know any more surely that you are who you say you are.

Don
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Don, the idea is like the PIN with your Debit Card, with the hopes that people secure it so someone else can't use it.

As for the pic, they are highly variable. The pic of my face is a very tiny portion of the total pic as the prior secretary taking them made sure to get her favorite painting in every picture. It's laughable and I actually showed it to Michaela last time I saw her. Camera quality and resolution is also very variable between departments.


one-eyed Jack said:
Since the fingerprint is no longer done on MIRCS for dealer sales, the state has to do something to inconvenience you instead. That's their job. Jack.
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This too.
 
Len-2A Training said:
Don, the idea is like the PIN with your Debit Card, with the hopes that people secure it so someone else can't use it.

As for the pic, they are highly variable. The pic of my face is a very tiny portion of the total pic as the prior secretary taking them made sure to get her favorite painting in every picture. It's laughable and I actually showed it to Michaela last time I saw her. Camera quality and resolution is also very variable between departments.

This too.
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in understand the function of a PIN on a debit card. But there are two differences.

1) There is no picture on your debit card.
2) When you are using your LTC, there is always a human comparing the pic on the card with what you really look like. Thats not the case with many debit card transactions, like self checkout or buying gas.

So it seems that the PIN is there solely to make things more inconvenient. I'm not surprised.

Don

p.s. I just thought about this a different way. A pin with a photo ID creates whats called 3 factor authentication. Which is ridiculous for something like buying a gun.
1) Something you have - the ID itself.
2) Something you are - Your pic matches the pic on the license.
3) Something you know. - The PIN.

In comparison, your credit card is single factor (something you have), and a debit card with pin is 2 factor (something you have and something you know)
 
Don, sometime ask to see my pic on the LTC, you might change your mind. [laugh]

I doubt that clerks really look at it. I'll admit that when doing a FTF, I've NEVER looked at the pic on a LTC and compared it to the person. Just like if you hand your cc to a clerk, none of them really compare your signature to that on the card. Yes it is there but ignored.

Just like the TV news when they show a crime from the security cameras and ask you to call the PD if you recognize the person. Most of those videos suck so bad that it is amazing if you can make out the features of the person. PDs use random cameras to take LTC pics and many don't have the skills to use a point and shoot camera properly, so pics can be good, fuzzy, terrible.
 
dcmdon said:
Thats irrelevant. What value does the pin add?

How does it make the transaction safer or more secure.

It would seem that since the LTC has a photo of you on it, the pin doesn't help the dealer know any more surely that you are who you say you are.

Don
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The PIN keeps someone else from using your LTC to process fake transactions in your name with the E-FA10 system? LOL. Or you have an evil twin brother who looks like you but is a dirtbag, could help if he stole your LTC.... [rofl]

Whole thing is a joke.

-Mike
 
the_shootist said:
Step one: Put the house up for sale
Step two: sign a P&S for a nice new house in NH with lots of land to shoot on
Step three: Close on house in MA
Step four: close on house in NH
Step five: keep the gun and enjoy being in a free state
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Yeah, and take a gigantic pay cut unless you want to drive over an hour each way to work to get back into the PRM.

I could deal with the commute time but most people can't. The whine factor is high, people seem to think commuting more than 20 minutes is like being a contestant on springer or something. Some people here are also stuck here because of onery broads and a divorce would cost them more than even setting up a fake 2nd residence in NH would. [rofl] Children and all the snot gobbler fun that follows them also cause lots of problems with moving, as well.

-Mike
 
If it keeps me from gettimg delayed/jammed, PIN is fine by me. Should be a choice though.
 

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