How to determine if a weapon is stolen or if registered prior to buying

K98

Rating - 100%
2   0   0
Joined
Nov 2, 2013
Messages
728
Likes
76
Curious to know if there is a way to investigate a weapons status by the serial number. Obviously concerning is if the weapon has been reported stolen, or if the weapon has ever been registered.
I know LEO can research this info, but what about the "average Joe"?
 

Len-2A Training

Instructor
Instructor
NES Life Member
NES Member
Rating - 98.6%
71   1   0
Joined
Feb 26, 2005
Messages
54,928
Likes
15,787
Location
NH
No legal way to do this. Even dealers can not legally do this! [AFAIK this is true thru-out the US.] Neither MIRCS or NICS are tied in to the NCIC database of stolen property.

Keep your paper, it shows good faith and can avoid a "receiving stolen property" charge.

And who cares if a gun was ever registered before or not? NOT OUR CONCERN!!
 

drgrant

Moderator
NES Member
Rating - 100%
61   0   0
Joined
Mar 21, 2006
Messages
82,867
Likes
70,690
Curious to know if there is a way to investigate a weapons status by the serial number. Obviously concerning is if the weapon has been reported stolen, or if the weapon has ever been registered.
I know LEO can research this info, but what about the "average Joe"?

You don't. Also whether or not it has been "registered" in MA is NOT RELEVANT to legal ownership. EVER. Period, end, full stop. Just flush that shit out of your brain, PLEASE. [laugh]

-Mike
 

IvIax

Banned
Rating - 100%
6   0   0
Joined
Jun 24, 2013
Messages
810
Likes
124
It doesn't make sense though. If I want to sell your guys with efa10 online, I doubt the transaction will go through.
 
Rating - 100%
55   0   0
Joined
Jan 13, 2009
Messages
30,705
Likes
8,671
Location
free hampshire
OP call the local ATF field office and tell them that you have a firearm that you suspect is stolen and ask if they will send an agent to your house with a laptop to check.
 
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Joined
Mar 1, 2005
Messages
3,602
Likes
876
Location
Mid-Coastal free Maine
Actually you can call the ATF easily enough and simply ask them over the phone to check if the gun has been reported stolen. They don't care of anything else. If it was reported stolen, they will arrange to pick it up. If it's not, then you know it doesn't have a history. We've done it a number of times. My brother is a contractor and buys houses intact. Many time over the years he'll come across handguns hiding in attics or in walls, etc. We simply pick up the phone and call the ATF and ask them to run the number. Once, he discovered a handful of very nice revolvers............all stolen a few years earlier. The original owner got 'em back because of it. So, it's no biggie. The trick, however, is to call before you pay for it. Once you own it, you own it and if the ATF takes it, your out. But you do want to know if what you have is free and clear.

Rome
 
Rating - 100%
27   0   0
Joined
Jun 28, 2008
Messages
5,819
Likes
1,942
Location
Milford, MA
I actually was just thinking about that. A guy left his wife and left a gun behind that she wants to sell me. (she has no LTC). Thinking of going to an FFL and having it transferred to me but was curious what would happen if it was "FA-10'd" to him already.
 

Moderator

Moderator
NES Member
Rating - 100%
38   0   0
Joined
Apr 27, 2005
Messages
16,511
Likes
1,701
Location
⚀ ⚂ ⚀ ⚂
I actually was just thinking about that. A guy left his wife and left a gun behind that she wants to sell me. (she has no LTC). Thinking of going to an FFL and having it transferred to me but was curious what would happen if it was "FA-10'd" to him already.

Nothing will happen as the MIRCS dealer FA10 shows who the FFL is and who the person who the gun is being transferred to is. In a private sale through and FFL it is the FFL transferring the gun to you, not the private party.
 

drgrant

Moderator
NES Member
Rating - 100%
61   0   0
Joined
Mar 21, 2006
Messages
82,867
Likes
70,690
Nothing will happen as the MIRCS dealer FA10 shows who the FFL is and who the person who the gun is being transferred to is. In a private sale through and FFL it is the FFL transferring the gun to you, not the private party.

This. None of the ancient history stuff matters. [smile]

-Mike
 

btnh6668

NES Member
Rating - 100%
19   0   0
Joined
Nov 27, 2008
Messages
1,677
Likes
1,188
Location
Southcoast
Nothing will happen as the MIRCS dealer FA10 shows who the FFL is and who the person who the gun is being transferred to is. In a private sale through and FFL it is the FFL transferring the gun to you, not the private party.

With that said, could you just do an Efa-10 and just leave whom you got it from blank?
 
Rating - 100%
31   0   0
Joined
May 8, 2005
Messages
4,728
Likes
347
Location
In the Great Smoky Mountains
You don't. Also whether or not it has been "registered" in MA is NOT RELEVANT to legal ownership. EVER. Period, end, full stop. Just flush that shit out of your brain, PLEASE. [laugh]

-Mike

I'd like to sneak back in here from North Carolina for a moment to put an exclamation point on this. In free America the MA paperwork is a joke. Even the FFLs barely write anything down. I destroyed every piece of paper I ever had. There are still a lot of loud-mouth moonbats down here, but NOBODY pays any attention to them about guns.

What a wonderful feeling it is to be free. I had forgotten what it is like.
 
Rating - 100%
11   0   0
Joined
Apr 14, 2009
Messages
3,765
Likes
488
Location
central worcester county
Actually you can call the ATF easily enough and simply ask them over the phone to check if the gun has been reported stolen. They don't care of anything else. If it was reported stolen, they will arrange to pick it up. If it's not, then you know it doesn't have a history. We've done it a number of times. My brother is a contractor and buys houses intact. Many time over the years he'll come across handguns hiding in attics or in walls, etc. We simply pick up the phone and call the ATF and ask them to run the number. Once, he discovered a handful of very nice revolvers............all stolen a few years earlier. The original owner got 'em back because of it. So, it's no biggie. The trick, however, is to call before you pay for it. Once you own it, you own it and if the ATF takes it, your out. But you do want to know if what you have is free and clear.

Rome
This is a job I'd like to do...and boy would I have a great personal collection of free guns!
 

dgrafton

NES Member
Rating - 96.8%
30   1   0
Joined
Aug 5, 2012
Messages
2,628
Likes
843
Just hide the dog. Wives get shot less often than dogs, or so says the statistics.

Except for families with cops. Those wives are more likely to get shot. Mostly by those scary guns that go off by themselves. When unloaded. And being cleaned.
 
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Joined
May 24, 2009
Messages
71
Likes
24
Curious to know if there is a way to investigate a weapons status by the serial number. Obviously concerning is if the weapon has been reported stolen, or if the weapon has ever been registered.
I know LEO can research this info, but what about the "average Joe"?

What is a registered weapon?
 

Moderator

Moderator
NES Member
Rating - 100%
38   0   0
Joined
Apr 27, 2005
Messages
16,511
Likes
1,701
Location
⚀ ⚂ ⚀ ⚂
there-be-a-shit-storm-a-brewin.jpg
 

one-eyed Jack

Manufacturer
Dealer
NES Member
Rating - 100%
4   0   0
Joined
Apr 12, 2006
Messages
14,914
Likes
28,478
Location
Eastern Mass and southern NH
Actually you can call the ATF easily enough and simply ask them over the phone to check if the gun has been reported stolen. They don't care of anything else. If it was reported stolen, they will arrange to pick it up. If it's not, then you know it doesn't have a history. We've done it a number of times. My brother is a contractor and buys houses intact. Many time over the years he'll come across handguns hiding in attics or in walls, etc. We simply pick up the phone and call the ATF and ask them to run the number. Once, he discovered a handful of very nice revolvers............all stolen a few years earlier. The original owner got 'em back because of it. So, it's no biggie. The trick, however, is to call before you pay for it. Once you own it, you own it and if the ATF takes it, your out. But you do want to know if what you have is free and clear.

Rome
I'll bet that this registry is about as accurate as the NFA registry. Do you think that the Boston cops, after taking a gun from a gangbanger, will bother to report it to ATF? Jack.
 
Top Bottom