greencobra
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don't be cross. and thanks for pointing out you are in that elite group of better than us.None of you read his post. Congrats.
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don't be cross. and thanks for pointing out you are in that elite group of better than us.None of you read his post. Congrats.
Sorry boss. Like @Picton, I hadn't had my coffee yet. Hugs?don't be cross. and thanks for pointing out you are in that elite group of better than us.
Well, he made the argument that because the AK is a ".30 Caliber Rifle" and is an Assault Rifle, that means that ANY .30 caliber rifle is an Assault Rifle.
You're replying to the OP.No, he made the argument because the FAL was originally designed for .280 British, an intermediate round. OP's buddy's argument was "once an intermediate, always an intermediate" despite the fact that every FAL actually fired by anyone in real life is in 7.62 NATO.
and it still is. This individual is from South American originally and hates all things US/UK.You're replying to the OP.
Sounds like their debate went in circles for a bit.
THIS!Don't try to define it, because its a made up term to begin with.
Again, he’s daft.and it still is. This individual is from South American originally and hates all things US/UK.
When I said the FAL the UK used was semi only, he said it was still an assault rifle because the other 100 nations that used it called it one.
He also says FAL stands for "Fusile d’Assault Legere" and not "Fusil Automatique Léger”, but then again, he is Argentinian and probably still butt hurt over the Falklands.
THIS!
Except you are all quite wrong - the term "Assault Rifle" has more to do with the sort of lighter weight weapon system a soldier would carry when assaulting an objective.Don't try to define it, because its a made up term to begin with.
None of you read his post. Congrats.
I would expect folks here would know the difference.
Meh. I'm over it.
As I posted above, the antis clearly won this particular battle over labels. Best just to accept it and have a beer, probably.
Your buddy is still wrong. Whether we're talking about Assault Rifles (you and I are) or Assault Weapons (like these other knuckleheads), the FAL is obviously neither.
While battle rifle has a well defined(ish) meaning now, I believe it actually originated on it's own online and had not come from something like a government or manufacturer.Nobody in the FAL community thinks of the FAL as anything but a Battle Rifle, despite its chambering during the prototype stage.
Assault Rifles have always been in intermediate calibers. That's the main difference, and it goes hand in hand with the ranges at which they're meant to be used.
"Assault Rifle" is, indeed, a practical military term that has been heavily bastardized by people who want gun control.
While battle rifle has a well defined(ish) meaning now, I believe it actually originated on it's own online and had not come from something like a government or manufacturer.
I think forgotten weapons talked about that name and its origins recently.
I did, once, years ago.i have yet had a rife assault me...or attempt to...at any time in my life. i've tried hard, used and abused a few rifles to what i thought was their breaking points. but no, nothing, they all showed good judgment and restraint, as well as loyalty, never anything even remotely close to an "assault."
Sort of like irregardless and intensive purposesIn that all language is made up? Sure.
Assault Rifle is a technical term that is used in the military.
In the 80s, it was used by manufacturers to market firearms.
At the end of the 80s/beginning of the 90s antis started to use it incorrectly.
Somewhere along the way, it was expanded to Assault Weapon
But the OP is asking about that original, functional definition.
Is that an Airsoft assault weapon?It's easy to spot a real one.
Neither. (he said diplomatically ) This "expert" is mistaken, but IMHO that's much less bad than "talking out of his ass." Mistakes can be fixed, but stupid is forever.Have been having a discussion with a self-identified "expert" in small arms.
He is claiming the FN-FAL is an "Assault Rifle" because the original trial rifle used an intermediate cartridge before switching to a 7.62x51.
I tried to define an Assault Rifle in the same parlance from the US Army Technical Manual I found in the belongings of a relative published in the late 60's which simply said it was a lightweight rifle capable of automatic fire, chambered for an intermediate cartridge.
The individual I am talking with swears up and down that any infantry weapon system chambered for a rifle round counts as an assault rifle.
Thoughts? Am I that far off base here? Or is this "expert" talking out of his ass?
Assault rifles go along with assault knives, assault bricks and assault baseball bats. Once you assault someone with it - it becomes a weapon of mass destruction and needs to be banned from existence by all the god fearing good peoples in the name of being a good little bunnies.Have been having a discussion with a self-identified "expert" in small arms.
He is claiming the FN-FAL is an "Assault Rifle" because the original trial rifle used an intermediate cartridge before switching to a 7.62x51.
I tried to define an Assault Rifle in the same parlance from the US Army Technical Manual I found in the belongings of a relative published in the late 60's which simply said it was a lightweight rifle capable of automatic fire, chambered for an intermediate cartridge.
The individual I am talking with swears up and down that any infantry weapon system chambered for a rifle round counts as an assault rifle.
Thoughts? Am I that far off base here? Or is this "expert" talking out of his ass?
None of this is what he's talking about.And don’t forget the dangerous assault ammo, as no one gave no one no rights specifically to bear any ammunition to shoot them damn guns.
Ban it, baby!
it is as none of that talk means anything. all that talk serves a single purpose - to demonize an item, in order to ban it. all the subsequent logic and definitions and deliberations do not interest no one. assault = ban, and it is all what matters. so name all you can as assault, and 'roads open toward success'.None of this is what he's talking about.
That's not what he's taking about.it is as none of that talk means anything. all that talk serves a single purpose - to demonize an item, in order to ban it. all the subsequent logic and definitions and deliberations do not interest no one. assault = ban, and it is all what matters. so name all you can as assault, and 'roads open toward success'.
and all those domestic terrorists typing assault shit on assault keyboards are no better.
Military does not have different definitions for service weapons issued to conscripts during assaults or retreats. A rifle is a rifle. A handgun is a handgun.That's not what he's taking about.
He's talking about the technical definition, used by military tactician to distinguish among available tools
You're talking about political terms.
These are not the same conversation.
Read the discussion in this thread. You're missing the point.Military does not have different definitions for service weapons issued to conscripts during assaults or retreats. A rifle is a rifle. A handgun is a handgun.
Rifle can be either automatic or semiautomatic, that is a technical term. ‘Assault’ is a bullshit invented and used by politicians only.
Don't they though?Military does not have different definitions for service weapons issued to conscripts during assaults or retreats. A rifle is a rifle. A handgun is a handgun.
Rifle can be either automatic or semiautomatic, that is a technical term. ‘Assault’ is a bullshit invented and used by politicians only.
Don't they though?
BAR
DMR
Assault Rifle
Carbine
PDW
Air Crew Survival Rifle
If, as you say a "rifle is a rifle" then kindly explain why there are terms for the Browning Automatic Rifle, Designated Marksman Rifle, Assault Rifle, Carbine Length Rifle, Personal Defensive Weapon, Air Crew Survival Rifle