Hillary vs McCain for Pres.

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It's the current poll on www.cnn.com Bottom right of the page.

If she is losing a presidential poll on this site, it's not looking good for her... [smile]

 
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If I have to chose between those two, I'd rather vote for Wile E. Coyote. At least we know he won't be a gun banner! [rolleyes]
 
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Yea, and they were talking about her on the news this morning...

Saying that she's got a good chance of making the primary...but it's close between the two...

I'm with Ross on this one...what's really the lesser of two evils?
 
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She may be stupid enuogh to try, but I just don't believe she has a chance at even getting the nomination ... All of the scandals are going to be dragged to the forefront again (How can you run a country when you weren't even aware of what was going on in your own family?), as will her direct involvement in the Whitewater scandal. Nobody is going to run a candidate that already has mountains of dirty laundry.
 

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The Poll wasn't going the way they wanted it to. It looks like they already took it down.
 
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I think I'd vote for Hillary because she'll get less out of the Republican House and Senate than McCain will. Long term, she might even cause a large anti-liberal backlash like she did when her hubby was pres.

As an aside, we know Hillary will stick her foot in her mouth given the opportunity. She's no Bill Clinton. Her handlers can only do so much. With the big Presidental spolight shining on her, she's bound to screw up and hang herself.
 

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I think I'd vote for Hillary because she'll get less out of the Republican House and Senate than McCain will. Long term, she might even cause a large anti-liberal backlash like she did when her hubby was pres.

As an aside, we know Hillary will stick her foot in her mouth given the opportunity. She's no Bill Clinton. Her handlers can only do so much. With the big Presidental spolight shining on her, she's bound to screw up and hang herself.
I lurk in a few Liberal/Dem. websites from time to time. The good news is that the far-left voters despise her with a passion.

Given that, another Nader/Green party run could really screw up her chances. It could then come down to what percentage of the far left crowd that would swallow their pride and vote for the hag.
 
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Wow... maybe I'm clueless but why don't you guys like McCain? I like his postion and his rationale behind the handling of Iraq. What's his position on the 2nd?
 
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IIRC, he's seriously anti.
Wow... I must say I'm surprised. From what else I've known of him he seems like he'd be a great candidate. I'd still pick him over Hillary... I really can't stand her in many ways... and since they are both antis...
 

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McCain is not going to get the Republican nomination. He's too far off the Republican reservation to win enough primaries. He's trying desperately to move to the right, but it's too little too late. The media loves him for the exact reasons that most true conservatives don't. The media would love to see him get the nomination so that they could then assassinate his character and campaign. They would concentrate on his temper and portray him as mentally unstable.

Guiliani, although not conservative enough for many Republicans has a better chance of getting the nomination than McCain.

Hillary might get the Democratic nomination, but she has to move far to the left to do it. Then she would have to move towards the center, or more accurately, pretend to in order to win the 20% of independent votes that decide elections. She's not nearly as slick as her husband, but he'll be campaigning for her and that's not something to discount.

She also has to watch out for Gov. Bill Richardson. He's got a long political resume and is Hispanic.

Scandals? The media ignored the scandals during her 2000 run for Senate and will do the same thing this year during her re election and for any 2008 campaign.

2008 is going to be a wide open and wild campaign. No incumbent, no VP that's going to run, no really strong candidates (yet) from either party.


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IIRC, he's seriously anti.
I don't know if I'd call him "seriously anti".

He voted against renewal of the AWB.

He voted against Kennedys AP ammo amendment.

He voted in favor of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.

OTOH, he voted for closing the "gunshow loophole" (hell, it was his bill),
and he voted for trigger locks to be included with each new handgun.

As a potential Republican nominee, I'd say that he's at least better than Romney when it comes to the RKBA.
 
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I would give 100 % of my support to McCain IF an only IF he got the Republican nod. I could not take 4-8 years more of Clinton's.. The lesser of two evils would be McCain!!!
 

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He's a senile fool. I would hope that the GOP NOT give him the nod because of McCain-Feingold and what it did to the First Amendment.
 

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Guiliani is not an ideal candidate. He's too far to the left for many Republicans. What is his stance on gun ownership? I'll bet it's not Pro Second Amendment. Still, he's better than some of the Republican alternatives and MUCH better than any of the Democrats.

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Let me say two words: McCain-Feingold.

Don't trust him.
Ahhh... I had forgotten about that one. That particular aberration isn't going to help get him any NRA endorsement.

Coinicidently, I happened to find this article this AM while looking for something else. Even though it's by Josh Sugarman of the VPC, he actually makes an interesting observation.

John McCain's "Gun Problem"

A front-page story in today's New York Times details how Arizona Senator John McCain is "locking up a cast of top-shelf Republican strategists, policy experts, fund-raisers, and donors" in an effort to put his bid for the Republican Presidential nomination ahead of the pack. Among the strategists joining McCain's team is former National Rifle Association top lobbyist James Jay Baker, now with a private Washington lobbying firm.
Baker's addition to this "growing kitchen cabinet" exposes one of McCain's most glaring weaknesses in his efforts to appeal to the Republican base necessary to secure the nomination: McCain has a very big problem with the pro-gun vote. They think he's a weasel and a turncoat.

McCain's "gun problem" stems from two issues: his successful campaign to enact the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform package and his failed Congressional efforts to regulate all sales at gun shows (conducted in a high-profile partnership with Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman and backed by a group called Americans for Gun Safety, which, by its very name, is enough to earn the instant enmity of many activist gun owners). The gun lobby and its rank and file view the campaign finance law as an outrageous infringement on their free speech rights while the effort to regulate gun show sales is viewed as a direct attack on the Second Amendment and liberty itself.

When McCain was trumpeting both of these issues, the National Rifle Association and other pro-gun organizations reacted as jilted, and increasingly, bitter lovers. In June 2001, McCain was attacked in the NRA's America's 1st Freedom magazine over his campaign finance reform package. The magazine's cover story asked, "Like to think your opinion counts? Under the guise of reforming election funding, Sen. John McCain and others are attempting to muzzle your voice concerning critical national issues--including the Second Amendment." The article adds, "McCain was led down a path by a Senate Democratic leadership that is doing all it can to keep the super-senator beholden....[T]hey want a Senate Majority of radical Democrats, who would prove an unprecedented threat to the Second Amendment. John McCain is their Judas goat--leading the sheep to slaughter." The following month's issue warned, in an article titled "What's Happened to John McCain?," that "The gun control debate in Washington has hit center stage because Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has now become one of the premier flag carriers for the enemies of the Second Amendment."

Baker's presence in front-runner McCain's inner circle reflects a clear recognition that not only does he have a "gun problem," but that he desperately needs someone with a direct line to the NRA--and the respect of the NRA's members--to help him solve it. Whether a carefully nuanced "come home, all is forgiven" message from the NRA coupled with a fresh round of pro-gun bleatings from McCain will work remains to be seen. But during the debate over the gun show bill, the NRA even accused McCain of "leaving the door open" to his supporting gun licensing and registration, the organization's equivalent of going nuclear.

The gun lobby, if nothing else, has a very long memory. And voters who make their decisions largely on a candidate's gun position are not a forgiving lot. Take a look at the web site of Gun Owners of America, the group that taps most directly into the zeitgeist of the pro-gun hardcore. It features a section titled "GOA's Take on John McCain" and asks the question, "Conservative or Gun Grabber?" Underneath a picture of McCain with the international ban sign over his face, the group states: "Arizona Senator John McCain is almost certainly running for President again. He has been courting various conservative leaders in his quest to secure the Republican nomination. McCain wants voters to believe that he is a conservative... but his record would certainly suggest otherwise. Take, for instance, his record on gun rights and political speech affecting Second Amendment activists. Abysmal, wretched, and pathetic are words that come to mind." GOA's legislative rating for McCain in 2006: F.

Ironically, while the Democrat party tries to hide from the gun issue, it may well be the Republican party that finds itself mired in controversy because of "gun control."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/john-mccains-gun-proble_b_27717.html
 
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Guiliani is not an ideal candidate. He's too far to the left for many Republicans. What is his stance on gun ownership? I'll bet it's not Pro Second Amendment. Still, he's better than some of the Republican alternatives and MUCH better than any of the Democrats.

Gary
Yeh, I def don't agree with some of his positions on the issues. I just think he'd be a good leader.
 
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