Hilda and Jesse’s refused to serve three police officers

[Dennis in MA]

When asked why he didn't make political statements, Michael Jordan said, "Because Republicans buy shoes too." Which is something that business owners should pay heed to.

It wasn't being a moron that equated a cop with a gun to a criminal with a gun.

It wasn't asking the cops to leave because they had guns.

It was virtue signaling on the Internet about it. They didn't do it for EITHER of the above reasons. They did it to show how they stand with the BLM and "COPZAHKILLUHZ" movements. And it turned around to bite them in the ass. Sadly, it didn't teach them the right lessons.

 

[lowbuckbob]

The mantra of 'their business, their rules' doesn't fly. Having a business license does not make you a sovereign state.

 

[paul73]

it turned around to bite them in the ass

you think so? i kinda think opposite - for the SF i bet they get now a lot more of an attention and more customers. it is lost cause down there, as pretty much in here as well, if any cambridge shop would do the same stunt.

 

[cathouse01]

What bothers me the most about this is the obvious Hoplophobia these people exhibit. They state that they’d be happy to serve the cops if they were unarmed and out of uniform, as if their uniforms and guns BY THEMSELVES are capable of performing heinous acts of violence. It just shows that they don’t understand that is PEOPLE who commit violent crime, not uniforms, not guns. The fact that they are out of uniform and unarmed doesn’t change who they are. What they really should be afraid of is the unarmed, peaceful looking psycho who grabs a steak knife and plunges it into the heart of the nearest waitstaff. When that type of thing happens these sorts will wish that an armed, uniformed cop was nearby to discourage such antisocial behavior.

 

[wilson911]

In uniform without your sidearm is "out of uniform" and likely punishable. Plus it is downright stupid due to the bullseye on the back of any uniformed officer these days.

I don't accept their BS walk-back. I would boycott them and tell every other first responder about them as well. Hit them hard in the pocket.

I agree that it is their right to ban anyone they want as long as they aren't protected class people. However, that cuts both ways. I don't go where I'm not welcome either.

If this sort of thing ever happened when I was on the job I assure you that any calls for service at a place that did this would get a slow response. And if the owners did anything that violated any law, no matter how minor, they would not get a pass from our officers.

You just described how cops have cultured this attitude them. Citizens should not have to pay fealty to expect normal response times. I say if you are in uniform, on duty, being paid by citizens, then you respond and do your job. No slow responding, no searching for problems to harass them with. Save the politicking for when you are on your own time.

By the way.....did you see the prices?? Not many first responders are eating here ($39 steak and eggs!! Even for SFO thats retarded.)

 

[Cur]

Oh look, more virtue signaling morons.

F'em. PSG:WSP.

 

[Picton]

you think so? i kinda think opposite - for the SF i bet they get now a lot more of an attention and more customers. it is lost cause down there, as pretty much in here as well, if any cambridge shop would do the same stunt.

But.

If their business increases, it means they've read their market properly. Which makes them good businesspeople. And more power to 'em.

I'm one of those guys who tends not to get emotional about business transactions, though. YMMV. I doubt I'd eat there, but it gets great reviews. So maybe.

 

[Dadstoys]

You just described how cops have cultured this attitude them. Citizens should not have to pay fealty to expect normal response times. I say if you are in uniform, on duty, being paid by citizens, then you respond and do your job. No slow responding, no searching for problems to harass them with. Save the politicking for when you are on your own time.

By the way.....did you see the prices?? Not many first responders are eating here ($39 steak and eggs!! Even for SFO thats retarded.)

Really ?
Were they shaking them down for protection money or just trying to purchase goods that are available to everyone else that walked in the door ?
I'm fine with them not wanting cops in there and I think they should respect their wishes.
Don't want me in there today ? Ok , cool, I can go get that coffee elsewhere , you won't see me there tomorrow either when some crackhead is waving a knife around.
The Supreme Court has already made the determination that police are under no obligation to protect.

 

[MisterHappy]

The mantra of 'their business, their rules' doesn't fly. Having a business license does not make you a sovereign state.

I disagree. If one is entitled to make whatever rules one wishes for one's home, that should extend to one's business.

That said, it's stupid to tell people that are in your business to spend money to leave, but Forrest Gunp's mama was right.

 

[Picton]

Really ?
Were they shaking them down for protection money or just trying to purchase goods that are available to everyone else that walked in the door ?
I'm fine with them not wanting cops in there and I think they should respect their wishes.
Don't want me in there today ? Ok , cool, I can go get that coffee elsewhere , you won't see me there tomorrow either when some crackhead is waving a knife around.
The Supreme Court has already made the determination that police are under no obligation to protect.

Seriously?

A crackhead is threatening a business owner with a knife, and you think it's perfectly okay for the cops (who are paid by my taxes) to slow-walk a response? I just want to make sure I'm reading you right.

 

[paul73]

Seriously?

A crackhead is threatening a business owner with a knife, and you think it's perfectly okay for the cops (who are paid by my taxes) to slow-walk a response? I just want to make sure I'm reading you right.

Because we are slowly evolving into socialism where cops usually come hours late to collect corpses and arrest all survivors.
And actual protection is a paid service provided by a local criminal authority.

 

[Picton]

Because we are slowly evolving into socialism where cops usually come hours late to collect corpses and arrest all survivors.
And actual protection is a paid service provided by a local criminal authority.

I'm just curious. I have no wish to misread anyone.

I personally think there's no circumstance under which a cop should be so thin-skinned that he'd let a business owner's restrictions infringe on his sense of professionalism. But maybe that's just me...

 

[Mesatchornug]

I'm just curious. I have no wish to misread anyone.

I personally think there's no circumstance under which a cop should be so thin-skinned that he'd let a business owner's restrictions infringe on his sense of professionalism. But maybe that's just me...

Naw. It's easy more important to get one over than to be principled

 

[Dench]

I'm just curious. I have no wish to misread anyone.

I personally think there's no circumstance under which a cop should be so thin-skinned that he'd let a business owner's restrictions infringe on his sense of professionalism. But maybe that's just me...

Well, I'd say it depends. Does anyone like working for people who hate them? No. Does anyone like working for people who actively make threats/comments/bizarre actions in specifically personnel ways? Of course not.

Would the police slow walk to this place? I doubt it. Would many police want to slow walk to this place? Yes. For sure.

A lot of cops are burned out. A lot of cops hate their job. A lot of cops are simply still in the position to collect the pension in X years (and imagine the exodus if the pension was removed, poof!). Anyway, a lot of these f***ing guys are just barely hanging on. They deal with problems, all day. And a lot of these problems are mind numbingly stupid, dangerous, aggravating, not rewarding, etc. Then pig pile all the bullshit aimed at them from the media and then add in clueless local property owners making direct personal attacks on the uniform and positions.

How high can we stack shit on people before they become really bad at their jobs? If I was a cop I'd be burned out quick and real resentful. it's not hard to run that thought experiment.

 

[Picton]

Well, I'd say it depends. Does anyone like working for people who hate them? No. Does anyone like working for people who actively make threats/comments/bizarre actions in specifically personnel ways? Of course not.

Would the police slow walk to this place? I doubt it. Would many police want to slow walk to this place? Yes. For sure.

A lot of cops are burned out. A lot of cops hate their job. A lot of cops are simply still in the position to collect the pension in X years (and imagine the exodus if the pension was removed, poof!). Anyway, a lot of these f***ing guys are just barely hanging on. They deal with problems, all day. And a lot of these problems are mind numbingly stupid, dangerous, aggravating, not rewarding, etc. Then pig pile all the bullshit aimed at them from the media and then add in clueless local property owners making direct personal attacks on the uniform and positions.

How high can we stack shit on people before they become really bad at their jobs? If I was a cop I'd be burned out quick and real resentful. it's not hard to run that thought experiment.

No, I get it. I'm sure it happens.

I'd never excuse it, though. It bothers me when others do excuse it, even root for it. If you're not prepared to take on a knife-wielding crackhead simply because the victim made you a little upset one time about an overpriced meal, then don't be a cop. Go become a stockbroker or something.

 

[Dench]

No, I get it. I'm sure it happens.

I'd never excuse it, though. It bothers me when others do excuse it, even root for it. If you're not prepared to take on a knife-wielding crackhead simply because the victim made you a little upset one time about an overpriced meal, then don't be a cop. Go become a stockbroker or something.

Your looking at it through a lense of a perfect cop whose always level headed, etc.

Its not a thing.

History has shown what the police can do, will do, etc. And the police are more likely historically speaking to start stacking bodies before they turn into saints.

 

[Biff Quizler]

If you're not prepared to take on a knife-wielding crackhead .....

I fear there aren't going to be too many folks in future generations that are willing to sign up for this....... When you can stay home and Joe will pay you. (irregardless if the Popo attempted to use their $$ to give a business owner patronage)

 

[Picton]

I fear there aren't going to be too many folks in future generations that are willing to sign up for this....... When you can stay home and Joe will pay you. (irregardless if the Popo attempted to use their $$ to give a business owner patronage)

Very likely.

I'm just trying to wade through the hyperbole here and figure out what people are saying. I don't want to misconstrue anything.

 

[Wooderson]

No, I get it. I'm sure it happens.

I'd never excuse it, though. It bothers me when others do excuse it, even root for it. If you're not prepared to take on a knife-wielding crackhead simply because the victim made you a little upset one time about an overpriced meal, then don't be a cop. Go become a stockbroker or something.

The flipside is, if the crackhead is holding a knife to your employee's throat, don't be a hypocrite and call 911- you don't want to justify their paycheck.

The problem isn't that people insult cops, or the military, or whatever social segment you want to name; the problem is that when the shit hits the fan, the people running their mouths aren't willing to live by the rules they've created.

 

[Dench]

I fear there aren't going to be too many folks in future generations that are willing to sign up for this....... When you can stay home and Joe will pay you. (irregardless if the Popo attempted to use their $$ to give a business owner patronage)

Like I said earlier, if the pension goes away there will be a true staffing crisis.

 

[Len-2A Training]

Well, I'd say it depends. Does anyone like working for people who hate them? No. Does anyone like working for people who actively make threats/comments/bizarre actions in specifically personnel ways? Of course not.

Would the police slow walk to this place? I doubt it. Would many police want to slow walk to this place? Yes. For sure.

A lot of cops are burned out. A lot of cops hate their job. A lot of cops are simply still in the position to collect the pension in X years (and imagine the exodus if the pension was removed, poof!). Anyway, a lot of these f***ing guys are just barely hanging on. They deal with problems, all day. And a lot of these problems are mind numbingly stupid, dangerous, aggravating, not rewarding, etc. Then pig pile all the bullshit aimed at them from the media and then add in clueless local property owners making direct personal attacks on the uniform and positions.

How high can we stack shit on people before they become really bad at their jobs? If I was a cop I'd be burned out quick and real resentful. it's not hard to run that thought experiment.

I watched a good friend who went from part-time with me to full-time prior to the exam/appointment for a full-time officer. He turned from someone who was out to help people to downright cynical in a 6-12 month period and this was in the early 1980s. [He ended up refusing to take the job full-time and went to work in corrections instead for a number of years, then as an EMT.] I worked with a few that took their sweet ass time responding to anything.

When you run "code", you are speeding, driving on the wrong side of the road passing people who don't pull over, etc. It is downright dangerous. So, I can see a response to a place that hates you being done at a closer to normal speed as opposed to running code to get there.

 

[AHM]

... a good friend ... turned from someone who was out to help people to downright cynical in a 6-12 month period ...

That was the phenomenon that spending their work day
dealing mostly with people on their worst behavior
unconsciously corrodes officers' trust and respect for everybody;
amirite?

 

[1776]

Wait till hammer gangs start showing up for take-out

 

[Bt74]

Seriously?

A crackhead is threatening a business owner with a knife, and you think it's perfectly okay for the cops (who are paid by my taxes) to slow-walk a response? I just want to make sure I'm reading you right.

But...but...they don't "want gunz in their business", so are the cops supposed to check their guns at the door? Lets see....$40 breakfasts in a wealthy city being over run with rampant crime...No Guns Allowed! What could ever happen?

 

[Dennis in MA]

I watched a good friend who went from part-time with me to full-time prior to the exam/appointment for a full-time officer. He turned from someone who was out to help people to downright cynical in a 6-12 month period and this was in the early 1980s. [He ended up refusing to take the job full-time and went to work in corrections instead for a number of years, then as an EMT.] I worked with a few that took their sweet ass time responding to anything.

When you run "code", you are speeding, driving on the wrong side of the road passing people who don't pull over, etc. It is downright dangerous. So, I can see a response to a place that hates you being done at a closer to normal speed as opposed to running code to get there.

I knew an old NB cop back in the day. "You don't tool around town with your lights and sirens on like there is no tomorrow. It'll get you hit or killed. You drive careful. Whomever got into the jam got themselves into it. They can wait another 2 minutes. The only call you don't worry about traffic is officer-down."

 

[cams]

That was the phenomenon that spending their work day
dealing mostly with people on their worst behavior
unconsciously corrodes officers' trust and respect for everybody;
amirite?

I can’t really agree with this though I understand what you’re saying to be partly accurate. It doesn’t erode trust, love or respect you’ve had for people that've earned it due to how they live or carry themselves. That actually remains and even grows because comparatively speaking those people are head and shoulders above a large portion of society. In other words your circle of people just becomes much smaller and more trusted.

What it does do is remove any visual or mental filters that you may have in regards to what does a bad guy look like? How is a bad guy supposed to act so I can see him in the crowd? Men women and children can kill you dead in a heartbeat if you’re not paying attention.

Some people never come across a violent person for many years or even their whole lives, which leaves them with a false sense of security and arrogance of their own safety not being an issue to consider because bad things happen to other people, not them (or not yet).

After a few years when you’ve dealt with every kind of a**h*** you can imagine and now are able to see that just being humans, they (anybody) are capable of doing heinous acts of violence against anybody that crosses their path. The teen in GA that just stabbed his mother to death comes to mind. Or even the cop next to you going into a house, does he have any nefarious connections to this place? Will he sacrifice me to save himself and cover up his crimes? You really just don’t know so it has to remain in the back of your mind and be an active thought throughout your daily existence.

* You begin to realize that the need to mentally vett people you come across daily is a requirement as far as keeping drama and crazy people at bay and out of your circle before they cross over the inner perimeters of life and trust.

* That one there is something most of us do anyway on a regular basis at our ages, if you still have a lick of common sense, no need to be a cop to do that, it’s a live and learn type of thing to pick out the red flags around you and avoid them. I think most here do that subconsciously on a daily basis.

Not much diff than the cop mentality or sixth sense that some people talk about, it’s the same thing just amplified by 100 thru constant daily dealings with everyday people who do really f***ed up things on a regular basis.

It reminds you that there is no such thing as a safe neighborhood, we all lock our doors right? Those that don’t IMO haven’t been exposed to real life violence yet. Whether you physically see it or not, real life is filled 24/7 365 with totally unnecessary violence and drama that humans create. Being a cop just helps you see it easier and try to stay ahead of it. It reminds you that humans are still violent predators at heart, whether it’s a suit and tie or a pair of baggy jeans and are only one pissed off moment away from showing that to you personally on any given day, so you develop better life filters and toss out the old innocent ones that believe all people are inherently good.

 

[rscalzo]

This is the real crime. They won't be around much longer. They haven't been open a year yet.

 

[drgrant]

I wouldn’t go in to a place like that to begin with. It’s pretty easy to tell just from looking at the outside of a joint if it’s normal or if it’s some foofoo blueberry coffee and a bruised banana for $12.99 with the stink of communism and hippies.

You just described every other restaurant in SF.

 

[cams]

You just described every other restaurant in SF.

I believe it. How do these people even afford to live there. 50.00+ for pancakes and hash browns? I’d starve to death in a week. lol

 

[AHM]

I can’t really agree with this though I understand what you’re saying to be partly accurate. It doesn’t erode trust, love or respect you’ve had for people that've earned it due to how they live or carry themselves.

Nuance duly noted. I wasn't thinking the profound distrust applied to hearth and home...

...but agree that was the literal implication of what I wrote.

I did Read Your Whole Post,
but don't want to Quote Your Whole Post just to agree with it.