Hi-Cap Handgun vs High-Cap Handgun in Carbine

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So, I have a Class A No-Res, which as is my understanding allows me to possess Hi-Cap mags. As far as I am aware, as far as "assault" weapons go, I can only possess a Hi-Cap if it is pre AWB.

So here are my questions/concerns:

A) If I can posess a handgun with a mag that holds in excess of 10 rounds, why do some websites state "Any magazine over 10 round capacity cannot be sold and only repair kits will be shipped" when refrencing Mass?
Are they just playing it safe? Misinformed?

B) Why do I have trouble finding New Hi-Cap mags here in Mass at most stores? I see many used, but I may want new. Am I just not looking hard enough?

C) I was looking at a Kel Tec SUB-2000, or maybe a Hi Point Carbine (9mm both). If I picked up a 30 round Glock mag for the SUB-2000 is this 100% legal?
 
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As far as I am aware, as far as "assault" weapons go, I can only possess a Hi-Cap if it is pre AWB.
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you can only own hi-cap mags (10+) rounds for ANY firearm in MA if it's preban. Finding "new" preban (9/1994) mags is hard as hell and expensive. buy used and replace the springs if you're worried.
 
A) If I can posess a handgun with a mag that holds in excess of 10 rounds, why do some websites state "Any magazine over 10 round capacity cannot be sold and only repair kits will be shipped" when refrencing Mass? (www.44mag.com)
Are they just playing it safe? Misinformed? Because the mags are most likly post ban and would be felony for you to posses.

B) Why do I have trouble finding New Hi-Cap mags here in Mass at most stores? I see many used, but I may want new. Am I just not looking hard enough? Because the mags are most likly post ban and would be felony for you to posses.

C) I was looking at a Kel Tec SUB-2000, or maybe a Hi Point Carbine (9mm both). If I picked up a 30 round Glock mag for the SUB-2000 is this 100% legal? Yes, as long as the mags are manufactured prior to 9/13/94 and you have an LTC-A (needed for the mag)
 
All,
Appreciate the clarification. Just wanted to make sure I cover all my bases before exercising my severly restricted 2nd Admenment rights.

I wonder, what are the odds of getting a question on the ballot in this state about repealing the '94 law? I know it would be a slightly chilly day in perdition when it does, but just getting to vote on it would be a big thing in my opinion.

I just want the 10 years I spent "supporting and defending the Constution" to actually mean something to someone else other than myself. Maybe someone on "Bacon Hill"? (wishful thinking)
 
SilentOverlord said:
All,
Appreciate the clarification. Just wanted to make sure I cover all my bases before exercising my severly restricted 2nd Admenment rights.

I wonder, what are the odds of getting a question on the ballot in this state about repealing the '94 law? I know it would be a slightly chilly day in perdition when it does, but just getting to vote on it would be a big thing in my opinion.

I just want the 10 years I spent "supporting and defending the Constution" to actually mean something to someone else other than myself. Maybe someone on "Bacon Hill"? (wishful thinking)
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Support your local organizations like GOAL and COMM2A and maybe this could happen in our lifetime.
Make sure your voting and pushing for politicians that are with us and not against us.

Thanks for your service.
 
SilentOverlord said:
I wonder, what are the odds of getting a question on the ballot in this state about repealing the '94 law? I know it would be a slightly chilly day in perdition when it does, but just getting to vote on it would be a big thing in my opinion.
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I Sure as hell hope this doesn't happen. the absolute best case scenerio would be a 10% vote in favor or repeal, and that would just remind the demoncrats in this state that they have strong support for more gun control. the only way the AWB will be removed is through constitutional challenge, and that will only ever be done at the federal level, because you'll never see this state give it to you

very few people in this state are like you and me:
morning-picdump-banned-hollywood-46.jpg

(sigh... poor trigger discipline)
 
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To Gixxer: Sorry about that with the link. Was just trying to explain and give info. Didn't mean to throw anyone under the bus.

All,
So if the federal court system is the only option, then what would it take for a "Residents vs Comm of Mass" case to get on the docket?

My though is that if:

A) "Insert Second Amendment here"

B) A militia is defined as "able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard" http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/10/311.html

C) Then wouldn't any law that prevents someone from owning hardware similar to the military be an illegal law?

I understand restricting certain things like an MRLS due to severe destructive capability, or an M1A2 Abrams because there may be classified technology (although it would get you a great parking spot at work), but I just don't see any logic than can justify placing a ban on a 30 round mag made in 2011 because it is more dangerous than a 30 round mag made in 1990, or that a AR15 w/fixed stock is less dangerous than a collapsible stock.

Besides, if you lift the ban and allow a greater variety of firearms, then wouldn't the state get more tax revenue from the increase in sales? It would sure help one of the smallest yet most in debt states in the Union, one would think....
 
SilentOverlord said:
To Gixxer: Sorry about that with the link. Was just trying to explain and give info. Didn't mean to throw anyone under the bus.

All,
So if the federal court system is the only option, then what would it take for a "Residents vs Comm of Mass" case to get on the docket?

My though is that if:

A) "Insert Second Amendment here"

B) A militia is defined as "able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard" http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/10/311.html

C) Then wouldn't any law that prevents someone from owning hardware similar to the military be an illegal law?

I understand restricting certain things like an MRLS due to severe destructive capability, or an M1A2 Abrams because there may be classified technology (although it would get you a great parking spot at work), but I just don't see any logic than can justify placing a ban on a 30 round mag made in 2011 because it is more dangerous than a 30 round mag made in 1990, or that a AR15 w/fixed stock is less dangerous than a collapsible stock.

Besides, if you lift the ban and allow a greater variety of firearms, then wouldn't the state get more tax revenue from the increase in sales? It would sure help one of the smallest yet most in debt states in the Union, one would think....
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All of your points are quite valid, and have been hashed out here many times. The part you are missing, though, is in assuming that there is any type of common sense involved at the state government level. All of these measures are to protect the children after all...[laugh] I think that current production mags such as P-mags are considered more dangerous because they feed reliably.[wink] Oh, and you forgot about the exclusion of that "deadly bayonet lug", because everyone would rather run over and stab someone rather than use all of the 30 rounds in their pre-ban magazine![rolleyes]
 
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Not to hijack, but what's the deal on the hypothetical 13 round mags I used to have for the legally purchased handgun I hypothetically brought here when I moved from another state? Said hypothetical gun and mags not now or ever on "the list", nor manufactured pre 19-anything...

For the purpose of this example, assume I have a current valid LTC-A no restrictions...
 
Radtekk said:
Not to hijack, but what's the deal on the hypothetical 13 round mags I used to have for the legally purchased handgun I hypothetically brought here when I moved from another state? Said hypothetical gun and mags not now or ever on "the list", nor manufactured pre 19-anything...
For the purpose of this example, assume I have a current valid LTC-A no restrictions...
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Unlike the MA "lists", real or imagined, the assault weapon ban applies directly to the possessor.
It is illegal to possess a large capacity magazine (or an assault weapon) manufactured after September, 1994.
It doesn't matter how it got into the state nor what LTC you have.
The pistol is GTG.
 
Radtekk said:
Not to hijack, but what's the deal on the hypothetical 13 round mags I used to have for the legally purchased handgun I hypothetically brought here when I moved from another state? Said hypothetical gun and mags not now or ever on "the list", nor manufactured pre 19-anything...

For the purpose of this example, assume I have a current valid LTC-A no restrictions...
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Generally, ANY mag with a capacity in excess of 10 rounds, manufactured after 9/13/94, is a felony to possess, unless:

1. You're a MA licensed dealer (FFL)
2. You're a LEO, and they are possessed "for the purposes of law enforcement"; OR
3. You're a retired LEO and they were given to you upon retirement from the agency from which you retired

SEE: MGL 140-131M and 140-123
 
Kevlar said:
Generally, ANY mag with a capacity in excess of 10 rounds, manufactured after 9/13/94, is a felony to possess, unless:

1. You're a MA licensed dealer (FFL)
2. You're a LEO, and they are possessed "for the purposes of law enforcement"; OR
3. You're a retired LEO and they were given to you upon retirement from the agency from which you retired

SEE: MGL 140-131M and 140-123
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I know all of the general points you highlighted, but what about mags without a clear date of manufacture (or any markings at all)? I know that they can't be stamped "Law enforcement use only", or stuff like that, but what if you have a high cap (over 10 rounds) with no dating info? Are you presumed to have a "pre-ban", or are you presumed to be a felon?
 
Terminator03 said:
I know all of the general points you highlighted, but what about mags without a clear date of manufacture (or any markings at all)? I know that they can't be stamped "Law enforcement use only", or stuff like that, but what if you have a high cap (over 10 rounds) with no dating info? Are you presumed to have a "pre-ban", or are you presumed to be a felon?
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I wouldn't advocate "assuming they are preban" Because with some mags there are ways to tell. Granted, the burden of proof is on the State to prove they are post ban and not on you to to prove they are preban.
 

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