Help REGISTERING FIREARM

contot said:
what is the current legality of registering a home made semi automatic firearm in mass right now, like a polymer 80. Is it legal if I have owned it for years and register before 10/22/2024 ?

What if I have no receipt ?
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You won’t be able to register it for at least 14 months.

If you plan on coming into compliance in 14 months. Get a serial number put on it before 10/23.

Homemade firearms can’t be made with the intent to sell. So, no need for a receipt of sale.
 
namedpipes said:
No. If you've had it for "years" without "registering" it, you've already broken the law. You're going to jail.

But you knew that already.
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One doesn't "purchase or obtain" when manufacturing a firearm.

General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 128B

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shall within seven days after receiving such firearm, rifle, shotgun or machine gun, report, in writing, to the commissioner of the department of criminal justice information services the name and address of the seller or donor and the buyer or donee, together with a complete description of the firearm, rifle, shotgun or machine gun, including the caliber, make and serial number.
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When manufacturing you are not a seller, buyer, donor, or donee.
What are you going to actually report?

Firearms License Frequently Asked Questions

This is a list of firearms related frequently asked questions.
www.mass.gov www.mass.gov

A: Massachusetts law requires all residents who purchase or obtain a firearm by any means other than by a personal sale/transfer or through a Massachusetts firearms dealer to register the firearm within 7 days using the Massachusetts Gun Transaction Portal. Inherited firearms may also be registered or transferred using the Portal.
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Notice that acquisition by inheritance "may" be registered.

I don't know of any defining case law on manufacturing but as written it covers purchase or donation.
 
So post 8/1 we will be able to continue manufacturing our own fire arms that take detachable magazines ? Or is there a time deadline
 
The State has the burden of proof of ownership. Serialize your builds before 10/23 to be compliant with the new law. Even the unfinished frame/reciever is an ASF and a felony if not serialized so to be compliant you must serialize them and wait to register when Chapter 140 Section 121B is live (2 years from 10/23/24).

“Section 121B. (a)(1) The department of criminal justice information services shall develop and maintain a real time electronic firearms registration system. All firearms possessed, manufactured or assembled in the commonwealth shall be registered in accordance with this section.”

“SECTION 157. The department of criminal justice information services shall establish the electronic firearms registration system established pursuant to section 121B of chapter 140 of the General Laws, as inserted by section 32, not later than 1 year after the effective date of this act; provided, that all firearms shall be registered in accordance with this act and not later than 1 year after said electronic firearms registration system is completed and publicly available.”
 
contot said:
Like owning a lower from a dealer
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Buying a lower from a dealer is assembling not manufacturing.
Under the new law a lower is a firearm.
It doesn't matter if it is completely machined or "unfinished".
However, if you are going to manufacture a firearm you will need to request a serial number from the state before you begin (before you buy an unfinished frame or receiver).
But until the registry is online, the state would need to prove that you didn't own the unfinished frame/receiver prior to 8/1 and you hadn't serialized it prior to 10/23.
 
If the Polymer 80 doesn't have a metal plate embedded in it for a serial number, it cannot be serialized in compliance with §121C(a):

Section 121C.

(a) All firearms shall have a serial number in accordance with the requirements of this section.
To meet serialization requirements all firearms shall be conspicuously engraved, cast or otherwise
permanently embedded with a unique serial number on the frame or receiver; provided, that
the serial number shall be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated,
altered or removed and shall be engraved, cast or otherwise permanently embedded to a
depth of not less than .003 inches and in a print size not less than 1/16 inch;
provided further, that the serialization of firearms, frames and receivers made from non-metallic
materials shall be accomplished by using a metal plate permanently embedded in the material of the
frame or receiver.
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Also in 2 years when registry is open

Do I have to re-register all my legally owned and registered guns I've purchased from ffl dealers and EA10 ftf transfers?
 
contot said:
Or just embedded plate on polymers
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Just a plate on polymers. You can’t engrave the plastic. P80 pistols have the correct plate.
contot said:
Also in 2 years when registry is open

Do I have to re-register all my legally owned and registered guns I've purchased from ffl dealers and EA10 ftf transfers?
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Yes unless they port over the data from the current portal, but even so the currrent data doesn’t have all the fields required.
 
contot said:
So post 8/1 we will be able to continue manufacturing our own fire arms that take detachable magazines ? Or is there a time deadline
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What makes an ASF/AW is, and will continue to be, independent of whether you buy or build.
In other words, building it was never magic that made it exempt from the feature test.
 
pastera said:
One doesn't "purchase or obtain" when manufacturing a firearm.

General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 128B

malegislature.gov malegislature.gov

When manufacturing you are not a seller, buyer, donor, or donee.
What are you going to actually report?

Firearms License Frequently Asked Questions

This is a list of firearms related frequently asked questions.
www.mass.gov www.mass.gov


Notice that acquisition by inheritance "may" be registered.

I don't know of any defining case law on manufacturing but as written it covers purchase or donation.
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We're both wrong then 😆

He posted that it hasn't been machined yet. It's just a lump of plastic.

Up till recently, the usual advice was to efa10 a personally manufactured firearm like the p80 within so many days of it being capable of firing.

I gather there are a lot of changes down there though.

Do not-yet-built 80% frames become illegal under the new "laws"?
 
namedpipes said:
We're both wrong then 😆

He posted that it hasn't been machined yet. It's just a lump of plastic.

Up till recently, the usual advice was to efa10 a personally manufactured firearm like the p80 within so many days of it being capable of firing.

I gather there are a lot of changes down there though.

Do 80% frames become illegal under the new "laws"?
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80% become firearms
So an unfinished AR 80% is an illegal Assault-style firearm once this crap takes effect.

Anyone with an unfinished frame or receiver should finished or at least serialize now so that they aren't forced to get a state assigned serial number.
 
MAJoe said:
Just a plate on polymers. You can’t engrave the plastic. P80 pistols have the correct plate.

Yes unless they port over the data from the current portal, but even so the currrent data doesn’t have all the fields required.
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Can you imagine the data shitshow if that is actually done? Missing info, incorrect info, duplicates, etc.
 
DJBrad said:
Can you imagine the data shitshow if that is actually done? Missing info, incorrect info, duplicates, etc.
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Oh yes I can. CT, during their latest assault weapon registration window let owners see what the state showed they owned. Similar, it wasn’t correct. Things disposed of years ago, etc.
 
I want to thank everyone for chiming in here it's all good information coming and I'm leaning towards not bothering picking up that lower.

In future I'd I use my lathe and machine a gun from steel and wood is it no longer possible to make a new weapon for myself legally ? Not a clone etc but has a detachable magazine and custom parts.
 
namedpipes said:
We're both wrong then 😆

He posted that it hasn't been machined yet. It's just a lump of plastic.

Up till recently, the usual advice was to efa10 a personally manufactured firearm like the p80 within so many days of it being capable of firing.

I gather there are a lot of changes down there though.

Do not-yet-built 80% frames become illegal under the new "laws"?
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Only if the frame is doe a gun on the no-no list.
 
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