Hard to find a good one for $600, though.
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I was looking at that. The conversion kit is about $350 right now; you think it's a good deal vs buying a dedicated $400 target 22?
Tartakovsky
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Beretta M9, Sig P226, CZ SP01 or Browning/FN Highpower. Of the above, my favorites for the range are the CZ75 SP01 or a Highpower. Just also picked up a new Springfield SA35 (HP clone) and its phenomenal.
puška m70
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One of these have been on my wish-list lately, which I think blows the Hi-point out of the water.... the SAR-9. It's basically a Turkish-made Glock/HK-esque full size striker gun. Sarsilmaz is the official pistol supplier of the Turkish national police and armed forces, and the handgun sells for around $300 USD.
Allegedly reliable and well made. Perhaps a bit more of a serious gun and duty proven than the Hi-point but of a similar cost. Seems like a great trunk/backup gun you leave in the car that if it got lost/stolen/banged up, it wouldn't be the end of the world.
allen-1
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Pm sentblued (or is it black now?) or stainless?S&W, Manhurin, Interarms? or Fort Smith?
@Buck F and myself are enamored with the PPK even for all of its faults and generally shitty mchorrible nature.it's just a goddam cool looking gun, dat form factor. JAMES BOND had one!
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Stoeger STR-9 for the win!
SKumar
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Ehhhhh. $350 is a lot. But the Glock kits are about $300, so not too far off. I got the Beretta conversion kit on a black friday sale a few years ago for 50% off (so I prob paid $175-ish).
A dedicated Ruger Target is going to be a sewing machine. However, I've found the Beretta kit to be dead nuts accurate and butter smooth. Further, it's insanely reliable because of the "falling block" locking system. I put the shittiest ammo through it and it shoots. I give it duds made from other guns and it shoots.
The main advantage of the Beretta kit is you dont have to buy a separate gun. Just throw the slide, a couple mags, and a snack bag of 22 ammo in your bag and off you go.
Until someone makes a video like the two below, the Hi-point is still tougher.
View: https://youtu.be/a3V8mK5FadI
View: https://youtu.be/2JV8PY4_b80
"A milk truck eased into my space, somebody screeeeeeamed somewhere......"
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0U55Io0Z9E
that still doesn't make an HP not a piece of shit. IIRC flannel daddy killed his by throwing it up against a rock. although to its testmanent it did fire a few rounds before it completely fell apart
the value prop of that gun is f***ing garbage though now. Basically the only value HP handguns have in the industry now is as a prank to pull on your friends. Like imagine giving your friend one of those f***ing things for his birthday, it's basically like gifting him a huge dildo with sidecar of elephant shit.
Lots of guns blow a shitpoint out of the water.
There are a half a dozen turkatron or other imports like that that make HPs look stupid. The SAR-9 was "okay" but the one I messed with looked like it had soap bar grips. Still better than an HP though. The taurus G3 and G3c basically massacre the HP at a marginally higher price point.
The only thing an HP really beats is a Jennings, Jimenez, Bryco, or one of those low grade, deathtrap type SNS/ring of fire shitpistols.
Buck F
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@Buck F and myself are enamored with the PPK even for all of its faults and generally shitty mchorrible nature.
So true, cool/Bond factor are the only reason I want one. And I take my martinis stirred, not shaken.
ReluctantDecoy
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I find the serrations on the barrel lug to be a particularly hideous design choice. As if this thing already didn't have enough serrations on it.
But it is a metal frame gun, and OP was asking about Caniks.
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Beretta and 5906 are the only 2 I have first hand experience with and I prefer the 5906. Just feels better in my hand. Mags for both still readily available.
What is this “too many guns?” I see you wrote words, but I can’t comprehend the order. Why are you punishing your guns just because your safe is too small …?
OP, do as @Sparky123 suggets and buy all three. Just remember the object lesson and buy a really big safe.
ReluctantDecoy
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Too many guns is when you buy a gun and then realize you already had one of them in the safe and forgot about it, but you still keep both.
puška m70
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TBH IDK why the HP is even discussed period, unless you are in absolute financial struggle and $100 on a firearm you need for self or home defense is going to make or break having a gun at all. Like you said Taurus and Turkce guns in the sub $400 gun category that blow it out of the water when it comes to the price:quality ratio.Lots of guns blow a shitpoint out of the water.
The taurus G3 and G3c basically massacre the HP at a marginally higher price point.
The only thing an HP really beats is a Jennings, Jimenez, Bryco, or one of those low grade, deathtrap type SNS/ring of fire shitpistols.
Why skinflint $50 for a HP over a used but actually functional and servicable Türkğün or Taurus. That's just retard behavior from those who do.
ReluctantDecoy
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I'm going to be that guy. Please don't take this personally.....
Your emtire post is newb shitlogic, imo just buy whatever you like the most gutfeel wise, you're /going/ to choose poorly anyways so what difference does it make.I'm 110% serious, too.
Lol. This was 1000% me. Trying to do research and debate pros/cons in my mind for weeks until I bought something. And it was indeed dumb. Granted, I was gifted a BG380 as my actual first gun, so I guess it only went uphill from there.
Ok. Name one.
puška m70
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Uphill is right. Bg380 is arguably the or one of the worst modern 380-type micro gun. Awful trigger. Awful shootability Awful ergos, and that's saying something as the micro 380 category isn't known for either.
Every shot was disappointing. The only thing it's good at is being small.
ReluctantDecoy
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The only thing it has going for it is that it is truly a pocket pistol. But that said, the light strikes, the failure to return to battery, the like 13lb plastic trigger with no predictable break, the overall sh*t design of trying to put paws on a slide that feels like a pencil in your hands...it's terrible. Talking sh*t about this gun is practically a pastime for me. I was gifted mine, but I think that was more of an FU by the prior owner.
I can do one worse... this is the BG380s spiritual predecessor
The... SMEGMA 380....
See those dimples on the mag? there is no mag release. You have to rip the mag out of the gun. (the magazine is held in by these plastic squeeze clip things) There also is no slide lock. At all.
also the trigger is about 28 lbs and gritty as f***.
slide is all zinc/pot metal garbage.
The 5xxx serried SW are decent and where plentiful and cheap not to long ago.
Buy the double stack version few thousand rounds of ammo and be done with it.
I have a ForTgay 4013t double stack and its a great little gun. Its one of the best pointing grip to draw pistols I own. The snubby 2nd and then the 1911.
I bought the 4013 not even knowing how gay they where. Shot it and with the amount of ammo that came with it, no brainer.
My only advice. Used can be tricky and the older the gun the less value there is in fixing it.
As far as needing the least amount of upgrades: well that is dependent on your expectations and then how the pistol lives up to that after 6-12 months of active shooting.
Whats the market on gen 1 M&P these days?
