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Heller Affirmed! (Discuss Supreme Court Decision here)

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/e...s/2008/06/26/americas_21st_century_gun_right/
Here's an interesting read. BTW has Tom Mumbles mumbled in on the decision?
Best Regards.

Despite being professor at Harvard Law School, or maybe because of it, I don't think her analysis is very good. In the cases she cited, the court constituted rights out of whole cloth. Heller has interpreted the text of an amendment, not as in Roe, created a whole new "right" which is not enumerated in the Bill of Rights. The decision states
“Nowhere else in the Constitution does a ‘right’ attributed to ‘the people’ refer to anything other than an individual right.” (6)
. This demolishes the "collective right" argument that the anti gun lobby has used for years.

For liberals to decry "activist judges" for rendering a literal interpretation of the Second Amendment is laughable.
 
Assuming there is a fast change in DC, and a lot of people start getting and keeping guns in their homes, it seems like this will be the ultimate test of the core argument behind pro/anti gun. It seems to me that the question taken to the extreme is: if EVERYONE were were required to carry a gun at all time, would crime go up, go down, or stay the same. Folks on the anti-gun side always allege (like the Chicago mayor's remarks today) that more lawful gun ownership, or even more gun ownership in general, will increase crime. I think people who are pro-gun are somewhere in the range of thinking that crime will stay roughly the same all the way to improving dramatically. The thing that I'm more interested in hearing, over and above the legalese surrounding the second amendment, is what actually happens in practice without the handgun ban.
Why "over and above the legalese surrounding the second amendment"? Do the words not have meaning? Who says anyone is "Required" to carry? Are you saying that people do not have the right to protect themselves? In any society, in any age, over thousands of years, people will protect themselves with whatever they have available. Protect against what? PREDATORS. These predators may be animal....or human. Our founding fathers had to deal with both. They realized that human predators can and will be more dangerous than the animal variety. Put yourself in the timeframe. Go back to that time and envision what they lived and experienced. Do you think they had an easy time of it? Do you think they put their lives, livlehoods, families, businesses, etc. on the line for a whim? These things, I think, we are prone to forget or not comprehend. These folks literally put all on the line. What they took on would most likely never happen today...given our PC attitude, desire to be "liked, loved and admired" by the rest of the world, and a lack of faith in our own SUCCESSFUL way of doing things. Grin, can you tell I am sick and tired of people trying to tear this country down? The 2nd Amendment really has nothing to do with modern politics. It, in its originality, has all to do with the basic human right to defending oneself against any and all predators....in whatever form.[grin]
 
Ran across these commentaries on the lewrockwell.com site, interesting viewpoints - and something we should all keep in mind before we get too excited over what the Heller case may mean. Remember - a pistol is just something you use to fight your way back to your rifle, if we all get the right to self defense with pistols - but lose the right to own militarily useful rifles thru some sort of new assault weapons ban - we really haven't won anything.

from:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/021696.html

The 2nd Amendment Vindicated?
Posted by Butler Shaffer at June 26, 2008 10:33 AM

At first blush, today's Supreme Court decision recognizing the right to own handguns sounds good. Bear in mind, however, that it is a familiar practice for courts to announce a seemingly far-reaching opinion, only to begin back-tracking in subsequent cases. It would not surprise me to see a case come up involving a ban on assault weapons, with the court upholding the prohibition by distinguishing today's decision from the later one. When complaints are leveled against the court, the response would be made that the the 2nd Amendment was upheld in the D.C. case - as to handguns - thus creating the impression that the right to gun ownership was being respected, thus defusing the opposition to gun-control laws.

One sees this tactic in free speech cases. Flag-burning is a protected 1st Amendment right - largely because burning a flag represents no significant threat to the state - but picketing a munitions plant, in wartime, urging workers to not work, is not a form of protected speech. The same pattern emerges: liberty is always given a narrow interpretation by the state, while governmental powers are always given an expansive definition.

I like the "craven liars" comment on this one:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/021701.html

June 26, 2008
The Great Gun Decision: Dissent
Posted by Stephan Kinsella at June 26, 2008 04:08 PM

Huebert (and Butler), I think the decision is much more of a mixed bag. I agree that it is good that the Court finally explicitly recognized what the Second Amendment has always meant. The four dissenting liberal "justice" are craven liars. They are not trying to be judges; it is obvious to anyone with a brain that the Second Amendment was meant to protect an individual right to bear arms from infringement by the federal government.

And that is the problem with the decision. First, although the Second Amendment has not yet been enforced against the states via the dishonest incorporation doctrine into the squalid Fourteenth Amendment, as Huebert notes, that may be next.

Second, as Kevin Gutzman notes, the Bill of Rights provides limits on the power of the federal government--not states, and not DC. So, as with the majority in the Kelo case, the dissent would have had the right result for the wrong reasons. In Heller, the majority is correct in how they construe the meaning of the Second Amendment; the liberals are blatantly, dishonestly wrong. But both sides incorrectly believe that the Bill of Rights applies to DC.

Of course, pointing these things out is likely to cause some quasi-libertarians to dissent or pitch a hissy fit. But what is despicable is that we think of the feds, and nine of their employees, as having the authority to determine what our rights are.

For those who are shocked by the idea that the Bill of Rights does not apply to DC--well, most people are shocked that the Bill of Rights was never meant to, and until judicial "innovation" in the 1920s, did not, apply to the states--consider the following:

In 1789, the Constitution was ratified. It did not at that time contain a Bill of Rights. This was not added until 1791, two years later. No one at the time thought that in 1790 it would have been constitutional for the feds to censor speech, or ban private ownership of muskets. This is because the federal government was one of limited and enumerated powers, and there was simply no power granted to the federal government to legislate in these matters. The Bill of Rights was merely added as an exclamation point; it was supposed to merely be for extra caution, but really just redundant with the limited powers scheme of the Constitution. It was added at the insistence of the Anti-Federalists who just did not trust the federal government to not exceed its delegated powers (gee, I wonder why?). (See my Supreme Confusion; In Defense of Evidence; and Taking the Ninth Amendment Seriously; also see McAffee, A Critical Guide to the Ninth Amendment (p. 66), Federalism and the Protection of Rights: The Modern Ninth Amendment's Spreading Confusion and The Bill of Rights, Social Contract Theory, and the Rights "Retained" by the People.)

But the point is the real point of the Bill of Rights is just an additional limitation on federal power. The federales have no constitutional authority to infringe on free speech rights because that power is not granted--not because the First Amendment mentions a right to free speech. The Bill of Rights was meant to be redundant and irrelevant. The primary mechanism to limit federal powers was not a listing of rights, nor even the Ninth Amendment; it was the very scheme of limited, enumerated, delegated powers that was meant to keep the feds from getting out of hand. Because of this scheme, the federal government does not have what is sometimes referred to as "plenary" or general legislative power, as most states (and as the individual States of the US do) do. In fact, it is because States do have plenary police or legislative power that is is more important that their powers are explicitly limited by a bill of rights.

(Plenary police power is simply the general power to legislate. See, e.g., the 1920 US Supreme Court case Rhode Island v. Palmer (referring to states' "plenary police power") and US v. Lopez (quoting the 1819 case McCulloch v. Maryland: "The [federal] government is acknowledged by all to be one of enumerated powers. The principle, that it can exercise only the powers granted to it . . . is now universally admitted.", and quoting Gibbons v. Ogden for the proposition that "The enumeration presupposes something not enumerated"; and further stating: "The Constitution mandates this uncertainty by withholding from Congress a plenary police power that would authorize enactment of every type of legislation).)

Now, it is true that Congress has today assumed very broad, almost plenary, legislative power by interpreting its power to "regulate commerce" very broadly. And for this reason the Bill of Rights has assumed a greater role than it would have, had the feds not exceeded its limited delegation of powers.

But back to my point. Under the original constitutional scheme, not only did Congress have no power to infringe various rights, it also didn't have the power to stop many types of rights violations, such as murder. Thus, a federal law outlawing murder would have been as unconstitutional as one outlawing drugs. This is one of the reasons it makes no sense to apply the Ninth Amendment to states but makes sense to apply it to the feds: the open-ended nature of the "rights" of the Ninth Amendment corresponds to the limited powers scheme of the federal government. Since the feds only have limited powers, this means there is an infinite body of "rights" that serve as limits on its power: that is, everything the feds are not authorized to do, is like a "right" or limit on what it can do. But since states do have plenary legislative power, a concrete listing of rights--limitations on this broad array of powers--makes sense, but not an open-ended listing of rights as in the Ninth Amendment (because this an open-ended grant of power and an open-ended list of limitations on power conflict with each other; it does not make sense).

I think all this buttresses Gutzman's argument that DC has to be treated, for purposes of the Bill of Rights, like a "quasi-state". Why? Because DC has general legislative power. Unlike the federal government, DC can outlaw murder and rape and theft. But how can this be? After all, the federal government itself has no authority to outlaw murder. Yet DC does. So just as the Bill of Rights was never intended to apply to the states; and just as it makes no sense to apply the Ninth Amendment to the States, which have plenary legislative power, but only to a state that has limited power (like the feds)--so it makes no sense to apply the Bill of Rights to DC.

Moreover, the precautionary nature of the Bill of Rights, their nature as just reinforcing already-existing limits on federal power, and the fact that in 1790, before the Bill of Rights, just as in 1792, after it, the feds would have equally been unable to enact a law banning murder or cocaine, shows that the result of the application of the Constitution should be the same whether the Bill of Rights is present or not.

Let's take an example. Imagine (1) a federal statute banning murder, (2) a federal statute banning firearms, (3) a New York law banning murder, and (4) a New York law banning firearms.

What would be the result in 1790, before the Bill of Rights? Well, both federal laws (1) and (2) would be unconstitutional, since the feds have no enumerated, delegated power to outlaw murder, or to outlaw firearms. But state laws (3) and (4) would not violate the federal constitution, since for (3), states have plenary legislative power and were supposed to be the ones protecting against crime; and for (4), the feds had no delegated power authorizing them to interfere with state law.

What about in 1792, after the Bill of Rights? Again, the same results, since the Second Amendment only limited what Congress could do, not States. So we see that a proper interpretation of the limited powers nature of the Constitution means that the Bill of Rights is superfluous when analyzing the actions of either the federal or state governments.

So let's pretend the Bill of Rights had never been ratified, and take a look at the DC gun ban issue. The results should be the same as if there were a Bill of Rights--to hold otherwise is to maintain that the purpose of the Bill of Rights was not to limit the States (since it did not limit the States originally) nor even the feds (since it was only redundant)--but to limit DC internal policy!--clearly an absurd position. So: under what grounds could the Court strike down a DC gun ban? It could not say it violated the Second, or Ninth, amendment, since those limits on federal power are not in the Constitution (in this hypo). So one would have to say that since there is no power granted in the Constitution to ban guns, DC, as a creature of the federal government, cannot ban guns. But by this argument, DC cannot outlaw murder either, just as the feds cannot. However, DC may outlaw murder, since it has broader legislative power than the feds have. But if it does, it also has the legislative power to ban guns, just as states do (from the perspective of the federal Constitution).

In other words, the "limited powers scheme" that is meant to restrain the federal government, and make it unique in the world in being a state that does not have plenary power, clearly does not, and cannot, apply to a government that does have plenary legislative power. And since the Bill of Rights is only a reiteration of this limitation on federal power, it, too, does not apply to DC, just as it does not apply to the states. Ergo, we must conclude that DC is, in fact, like a state--a quasi- or pseudo-state, as Gutzman called it. The only argument I can think of that makes sense, would be to argue that DC itself is unconstitutional; but this seems belied by Art. I, Sec. 8, of the Constitution, which does authorize the formation of the District of Columbia. Of course the District must have and was contemplated to have plenary legislative power, since there would be no State there to outlaw crimes like murder etc., and since Congress has no power to outlaw such crimes.
 
another comment that shows how far we have fallen in actually defending the rights elaborated by the Constitution:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/021703.html

June 26, 2008
re: The Great Gun Decision
Posted by Thomas DiLorenzo at June 26, 2008 04:49 PM

Today's Supreme Court decision that we have individual rights to arm ourselves highlights more than any other recent decision the absurdity of allowing the federal government, through its courts, to determine the limits of its own powers. This came about in the post-1865 era, once states' rights/federalism was destroyed. (Yes, judicial review existed for a long time before that, but presidents, state legislatures, and citizens viewed it as merely the Supreme Court's opinion, not THE FINAL WORD, ONCE AND FOR ALL on constitutional issues).

The shocking thing about today's decision is that if one man -- Anthony Kennedy -- voted the other way, then what -- we would all be forcefully disarmed?

A judicial dictatorship is what nationalists like Alexander Hamilton and his disciple, Justice John Marshall, wanted, and that of course is what we've ended up with. But imagine if the Court declared in 1805 that Americans do not have individual rights to own firearms. Do you think the Jeffersonians would have given up their firearms and genuflected to the black-robed deities of the Court? Hell no; they would have reached for them and commenced another revolution.
 
It bothers me that we were any less than 9 votes from throwing a constitutional amendment out the window. It bothers me that any of the people appointed to protect us from unconstitutional laws couldn't see that this was just that!! UNCONSTITUTIONAL

It should bother you and it should bother all of us. What about the other four? They do not believe we should be able to defend ourselves? We do not have that right? Think about it. What can change if the court changes? A reversal?

These justices are taking the place of legislature and making, rather than interpreting, law.
 
I am picking up postings that the NRA is preparing lawsuits against places that have outright bans, like Chicago and San Francisco. Sounds like the wheels are already starting to turn. Would it be too much to hope for that sooner or later MA might fall under the NRA's scrutiny for a lawsuit?

from:
http://hoosieraccess.com/blog/2008/06/26/dc-v-heller-fallout-nra-filing-lawsuits/

DC v. Heller Fallout: NRA Filing Lawsuits
The NRA’s Wayne LaPierre is announcing today the National Rifle Association is filing lawsuits in US District Courts against the City of Chicago and all of the Chicago suburbs that passed firearms bans, the city of San Francisco, among other cities in the US that passed firearms bans to get their firearms laws overturned on the basis of new case law with today’s Heller decision.
 
It should bother you and it should bother all of us. What about the other four? They do not believe we should be able to defend ourselves? We do not have that right? Think about it. What can change if the court changes? A reversal?

These justices are taking the place of legislature and making, rather than interpreting, law.

We have a right to defend ourselves in our home, by a 5-4 margin...
 
San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom said the ruling "just flies in the face of reality. You just wish the Supreme Court could spend a week in public housing and then come out with this decision. It's very easy and comfortable to stand there with security guards and metal detectors and make these decisions."

Methinks that if the justices did so, the ruling would be different. They would have voted 9-0 to not only end the handgun ban but to overturn any form of weapons bans already in existence. [shocked]
 
San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom said the ruling "just flies in the face of reality. You just wish the Supreme Court could spend a week in public housing and then come out with this decision. It's very easy and comfortable to stand there with security guards and metal detectors and make these decisions."

Methinks that if the justices did so, the ruling would be different. They would have voted 9-0 to not only end the handgun ban but to overturn any form of weapons bans already in existence. [shocked]

He says, as he stands at the mic with his security guards around him, all the while law abiding citizens at the same time are being attacked on his streets by thugs from those housing projects and other products of socialism, with illegally possessed firearms, bats, knives, etc.,
 
San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom said the ruling "just flies in the face of reality. You just wish the Supreme Court could spend a week in public housing and then come out with this decision. It's very easy and comfortable to stand there with security guards and metal detectors and make these decisions."

Like he's actually done that himself. As you point out all of these big city mayors have security details assigned to them. As do the Governors, of course. If any of them spent one night in a public housing project you can be sure that they apartment would have been cleaned top to bottom, visited by an exterminator, all of the neighbors would have been vetted, any with outstanding warrants would be arrested, and of course there would be enough media there to scare anyone else that might cause a problem away.

What a tool.
 
Coming Next, Court Fights on Guns in Cities

The New York Slime is out with their usual reporting today: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/washington/27guns.html

Notice how they used the Brady Campaign stats? Oh, but we're not biased at all! No, not the New York Times.

And...the Boston Glob isn't to be outdone either: High noon for gun control http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/e...articles/2008/06/27/high_noon_for_gun_control

Gotta love these two quotes:

"So be it. The 5-4 decision is not a surprise from a court that routinely bends precedent to suit its ideology."

The Supreme Court, under the Constitution, is supposed to INTERPRET THE LAW, but I'll agree that that the do bend precedent like the Gitmo detainees recently. That ruling was an abomination....however, this time they got it right.

"That's a pretty low bar. Even the lawyer for Dick Heller, the plaintiff in the challenge to the strict handgun ban in Washington, D.C., told the court that reasonable restrictions might also include background checks, curbs on gun ownership by minors, and a ban on machine guns. We would add limits on bulk purchases, background checks on purchasers at gun shows, and a reasonable waiting period to prevent crimes of passion."
 
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I also wonder what effect this ruling will have on federally-owned properties. Will federal buildings and military bases continue to be victim disarmament zones? Will US citizens residing on military bases continue to be denied their individual right to defend themselves in their homes?
 
I also wonder what effect this ruling will have on federally-owned properties. Will federal buildings and military bases continue to be victim disarmament zones? Will US citizens residing on military bases continue to be denied their individual right to defend themselves in their homes?

I'd suggest reading the ruling. You'll find that Scalia wrote:

“Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”
 
I'd suggest reading the ruling. You'll find that Scalia wrote:

“Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

Government buildings and military bases may still be off-limits, but there would seem to be nothing "sensitive" about national parks.
 
handguns
'It's a great day for us gun owners'

BY TED NESI SUN CHRONICLE STAFF
Friday, June 27, 2008 1:39 AM EDT





Supreme Court finds individuals have constitutional right to own handguns


Local gun-ownership advocates hailed the landmark Supreme Court ruling on Thursday that for the first time said the Constitution protects an individual's right to have a gun in his or her home.

"It's a great day for us gun owners," said Ted Oven, who owns Northeast Trading Co. in North Attleboro, one of the largest gun stores in the state. "I think all legal firearm owners are very pleased."

Gun owners had been closely following the case, which challenged a District of Columbia law banning handgun ownership. The narrowly divided court struck down the 32-year-old law as a violation of the Second Amendment by a single vote.

"I'm kind of disappointed in the 5-4 decision," Oven said. "I don't know who would have read that in their right mind and not understood the wording. It's very clear to me, and I'm certainly not a constitutional scholar."

The ambiguously phrased amendment, which was added to the Constitution in 1791, reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

However, Oven said he did not think the ruling would have a major impact in Massachusetts. (Associated Press)"We have some of the strictest rules in the country already," he said, adding that he supports most of the state's gun-control policies.

A spokesman for the Springfield-based gun-maker Smith & Wesson said the company expects only a modest increase in sales as a result of the ruling.

However, James Wallace, executive director of the Gun Owners' Action League (GOAL), a statewide advocacy group, said he thinks the ruling has significant implications for Massachusetts law. He argued that the ruling makes the state's mandatory trigger-lock rule unconstitutional.

"How can people defend themselves in their home with their guns locked in a safe?" Wallace said.

But Mansfield Police Chief Arthur O'Neill doesn't think the trigger-lock rule should be thrown out.

"I certainly hope (it's) not, because that does prevent accidents," O'Neill said. "There is absolutely no need to keep a loaded weapon in your bedstand or under your pillow."

He also expressed continued support for the state's gun laws.

"I'm sure groups like GOAL will try to ride the tide and compromise the rules we have, and then I will stand tall against any changes, because I think Massachusetts has a very happy medium, if you will," O'Neill said.

U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy said the decision could raise many questions about gun laws across the country.

Kennedy spokesman Anthony Coley released the following statement Thursday:

"Senator Kennedy has long been committed to reasonable gun control laws, and is concerned that this decision opens Pandora's box. Much of the progress we've made in making Americans safer by placing reasonable restrictions on the possession of firearms is now in doubt."

But Wallace said the court's judgment is unambiguous.

The ruling makes it "extraordinarily clear what the intention of the court was," he said. "It is extraordinarily clear from this decision that the court ruled for an individual right not attached to a militia."

He added, "In the future, any gun laws that are passed will have to give the benefit of the doubt to the lawful citizen."

TED NESI can be reached at [email protected] or 508-236-0333.


Like discretionary licensing, or the AWB, or maybe the AGs handgun regs..WTF[angry][angry][angry] I hope that's a typo.
 
You'll notice that they directly quoted him on one part, but then told us what he said in the part that you highlighted. Which makes me think that is not exactly what he said but the reporter wanted to give the readers the impression that's what he meant. A direct quote might have delivered a totally different message.

This is a great first step and yet more remains to be done. I would think that many of the big city mayors are quite nervous about this because if residents of those cities are allowed to possess fire arms and crime DROPS, as it has in other areas, every liberty stealing politician who claimed that taking guns from law abiding citizens would reduce crime is going to have to come up with a good lie to explain why they were wrong.
 
I read some where that it will be no time soon before DC residents can have handguns.

Reason:

Where will they buy them? There are no dealers in DC and they can't go out of their 'state' to buy them because they would have to be shipped to an FFL in their 'state' to get them.

So until an FFL is set up in DC - no handguns for them !

With regards to the NTC post above:

If what he is quoted as saying is true,
he's a great representative for the shooting public, all right.
 
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If the Supreme Court's Heller decision is not to meet the same fate, Second Amendment enthusiasts will have to start bringing, and carefully litigating, follow-up cases so as to ensure that Second Amendment rights don't wind up championed mostly by "ugly" defendants such as drug dealers facing firearms charges.
RTWT

Good thoughts by Glenn Reynolds on what it will take to sustain this victory. Let the litigation commence!
 
I found this part of the ruling interesting:

"Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition—in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute—would fail constitutional muster."

Doesn't apply in MA, right? Can't use firearm to protect property here...
 
not until someone challenges it. According to that ruling, you can... however is still violates (however unconstitutional it is) the MA law.

Same as trigger locks... it still needs to be challenged at the state level.

THEN we can see some progress.

On a side note, Coakley was quoted on Fox news saying that they were "reviewing" the MA gun laws, but didn't feel the ruling would have a major impact on MA. they aslo said that "Many 'fear' this will open the door for more crime in the bay state..." [rolleyes]

yeah... cause we all know that as soon as that law abiding citizen gets his/her hands on a gun, they turn into a crazed whacko and will go on a shooting spree. [rolleyes]

I'd write them... but for what purpose... they all suck.
 
...With regards to the NTC post above: Yup, he's a great representative for the shooting public, all right.

Don't you find it odd that we lambast the press all of the time for inaccurate reporting, but we take a quote as being absolute gospel because it makes one of our own look a little tainted. Someone even put the alleged quote in large red letters, sort of like a cyber scarlet letter. Now I don't know if this quote is accurate or not. How well do you trust the Lowell Sun? How well do you trust the reporter? Maybe it is accurate or maybe it isn't. Maybe it is quoted out of context, or the question posed was such that was the best way to answer the question. There are too many variables here.

Bottom line: if you want the absolute truth, go directly to the source. Too many people get crucified by the press because they are either misquoted or taken out of context.

I don't know the person in question, I doubt if I will ever do business with him because his store is out of my orbit, but for those of you do, I find it mighty queer that you disbelieve and vilify the press until someone comes along with a quote that gets your blood boiling, but you don't really know if it is anymore the truth than the other 70 percent of the lies that lurk between the pages of our newspapers.

Perhaps it is time to step back from post-Heller euphoria and emotionalism and try to figure out how this is going to impact us here in Massachusetts, and what the ruling really means. My concern is that some of you are going to be very disappointed. Perhaps this seems bitter and negative, it is not intended to be, but we really have to see how this whole thing plays out.

Respectfully,

Mark L.
 
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A few years back I was interviewed at length by a senior NY Times reporter. He made up quotes out of whole cloth. He didn't paraphrase what I said. He didn't make up a sentence that accurately reflected the meaning of what I said. He flat-out made up a sentence that did not, in any way, reflect what I said.

And this was a senior reporter at the NY Times, doing a feature story, not some minimum-wage wretch at a third-rate, small newspaper.

I've never been to NET and I don't think I've ever met the man. But I'm not going to tar and feather him based on an article in a local newspaper. YMMV.
 
In reading Justice Scalia’s opinion, there is an overwhelming theme that to interpret the Second Amendment as not protecting an individual right would gut the amendment of meaning and defy logic. It is, after all, the Second Amendment, not the two hundredth. This is not an obscure line buried among thousands of pages of text. It is inconceivable that the framers would have given it the priority they did, placing it ahead of so many other critical rights, if they only meant it to apply to militias as the dissenting justices suggest.

I think that's the best part of the ruling- Scalia opened up a big can of
whoopass on the antis that believed all the stupid "2nd amendment is the
national guard" crap. Basically he suggests in a roundabout way that if
someone considers anything other than an individual rights interpretation,
the person must be a flaming idiot.

Of course, they'll still be in denial, but too bad.. they'll be the ones looking
like the obvious idiots in the debates.

-Mike
 
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