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Health Reform Bill PASSES in the house

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by squirt, Nov 7, 2009.

  1. NHAtHeart

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    Anybody find the list of who voted for it? From what I can see both Maine Reps, Both NH Reps, and I would assume all the MA reps.
     
  2. Ruddiger

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    From the AP:
    Nice. We are all officially chattel now... line up at the trough, my bovine brothers and sisters!

    So let's see, if you don't pay your property taxes, they come and take your house. Fine then, but I still have a choice not to own a house. And despite the twisted logic found in this L.A. Times article, I certainly DO have a choice not to buy auto insurance in this country—simply by NOT DRIVING A CAR. Now, do I want to go through life without a home or a car? No, not really. But that is the corner which the statists have backed us into if we still decide to live free. (I am talking about the principle here.)

    However, with this latest assault on our liberties, there is no escape—since the burden is now forced upon our very own existence... our own bodies! "Buy our government healthcare product, 'consumer', or lose your freedom with jailtime and/or high penalties! We own you now."

    I know I'm not the first or last to say this, but what the hell has happened to America???[sad]
     
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  3. MassBites

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    I don't deserve any of this. I didn't vote for any of these socialist scumbags and neither did nearly half of the American people. ACORN is probably responsible for getting a large number of these socialist anal sphincters in.

    Oh and if you think that only the upper 5% of Americans are going to have to pay for this, then you need to do more research. The middle class (what is left of it) are going to be the ones who pay for this and it's going to confiscate 65% of your yearly income. In other words, for six months out of every year, you will work as a "slave for the state" while they confiscate your first 6 months of wages to pay for this anti-health and anti-American socialist piece of sh.........!
     
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    $7000 a year in premiums for every single person, and $14000 for families... Hope the jobless rate goes down. [rofl]
     
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    The jobless rate in Congress needs to go up. Way up!
     
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    The end is near . So very near.
     
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    No one had any doubts it was going to pass the House. The real fight's going to be in the Senate. Stay tuned.
     
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    Problem is, they have the money to buy themselves out of the country and find a more favorable place to live. Have any idea how many of the Hollywood libs are actually residents of Cali? Many have residences in places like NV, AZ, MT, UT, TX, NM and WY.
     
  9. Og Killah

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    Thats our only saving grace right now. Maybe the Senate will step up and realize that the only ones who want this are the slugs who live off our tax money now. I don't know any LEGAL US citizen that isn't living off the gov't who wants this to pass. We all know who will be paying for it. I can't wait for 2010 elections when we can get rid of these POS democrats, but unfortunately it may be too late. In states like MA scumbags like Barney Frank and John Kerry will always get in.

    Remember guys, the democrats were only concerned with the NY race according to Pelosi. She wouldn't even comment on 2 democrat governors getting the boot and hopefully another will be added when MA elections come up.

    If we can reduce the amount of Democrats in Congress then we can hopefully reduce any further damage done by the Obama adminstration. Hopefully the US learned from the last Presidential election that no matter how bad the current elected officials are, you can't just vote for the other guy in hopes to improve. We need quality candidates for a change.
     
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    Our representative republic is officially dead, cremated, and its ashed scattered.

    If our Politburo has the brazen temerity to ram something like this, with such a large percentage of public disapproval, through under cover of darkness on a weekend, then we are nothing but subjects ruled by an unaccountable fascist oligarchy.

    Our forefathers suffered less at the hands of the British crown before they decided they had had enough.
     
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    A LOT less, it's not even close.
     
  12. Glock23ONME

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  13. dwarven1

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    You're kidding, right??? [shocked]
    I know ONE. She claims that because she and her mother were poor when she was a kid that she believes in welfare. Got to wonder how that's going for her now that her hubby just got laid off... and she's the only bread winner at the moment.

    OTOH... I have another friend. Mixed race, got a doctorate from Harvard, is a registered Republican... and she's on disability and living in public housing. And SHE'S against this crap and wants desperately to manage to get OFF of disability...
     
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    Yep. Both major parties consider Representatives "expendable" to a large degree. Being based on population, the liberals will always have a built in 'edge' since the most populous states tend to be the most socialist. Since Reps only serve for two years, even if the libs lose some seats they can try to recover in two years. If the socialists lose a few seats, no big deal. They just consider it acceptable casualties.

    The Senate is a different story. With each state having two, and a six year term, a reversal there can be a serious issue for the party in power. Any hope of killing this piece of crap legislation has always rested in the Senate. That's why the push is on to get this rammed through now. Once the legislation is in place it will never go away. When was the last time a huge government bureaucracy was ever dismantled? Even if the mid-term elections do damage to the liberals, they will still have what they wanted. I'm hoping that the Senators will look at this very closely in light of the next elections.

    The first rule for any politician: get elected...or re-elected, as the case may be.
     
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    Another reason to fear this health bill...

    ...as if we didn't already have enough!

    Now that Pelosi-Care is one step closer to reality, this photo should really scare you gentlemen.

    [​IMG]

    She does have large hands, doesn't she? Now imagine that hand, wearing a surgical glove, without lube, approaching a part of your anatomy while you look back apprehensively over your shoulder....The horror! The horror!

    Just sayin'....

    [wink]
     
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    So basically 50% of the people are giving the other 50% something they don't want. Yay democracy.......
     
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    The other major factor is that senators can't gerrymander their districts - they are voted on statewide. So unlike a representative who has an 80% democrat district even in a red state, a senator is in many ways more vulnerable now to being thrown out. The Senate is also far from majority rules - there's plenty of ways to slow things down, and I don't know that they've actually got the 60 votes for cloture in any case.

    1776?
     
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    Sooner or later, we will again hear, TO ARMS!!!!!!
     
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    Let me say it again:

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  20. Phr00t

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    OK, I know practically everyone here is against this health reform... I for one am in support for it. I admit I am a pro-gun democrat.. so anyone reading this forum will know our type exists [smile]

    Our health system definitely could use some work.. we pay by far the most for healthcare compared to other developed nations, yet so many of our people go bankrupt due to illness while other coverages are unexpectedly dropped. The World Health Organization ranks us #37 in the world while ~15% of the American population is uninsured. If this is the greatest health care system in the world... ouch!

    We'll see where this new legislation goes... time will tell if it works out as intended; I think it is a good thing to try and fix it before it gets even worse.

    I know many of you will not agree with me, and that is OK! Just keep in mind that there are some pro-gun democrats, we are not all bad [smile]
     
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    Laugh? Cry? Eat popcorn and wait? I don't know how to respond. Hey, maybe you should just talk to some fat democrats:

     
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    I don't think that many here would disagree with you that our health care system needs overhauling - we just think that this is the [STRIKE]most f*cked up way possible to do it[/STRIKE] wrong way to do it - that is to say, forcing citizens to become slaves to pay for OTHERS' health care.

    If you came to me and said, "Hey, Dwarven1, I can't afford my cancer treatment; can you help?", I'd probably say "sure" and dig into my pocket. When you come to me pointing a gun and saying "you need to give me money so I can get my treatment", I'd be more likely to give you lead than silver.

    And that's exactly what this is - forcing me to pay for someone else's health care at gun point.

    Just because it needs work does NOT mean that this is the right way to fix it. It's not even a good start.
     
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    Laugh? Cry? Eat popcorn and wait? I don't know how to respond. Hey, maybe you should just talk to some fat democrats:

     
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    Two excellent points, Alchemist17. I don't think that they have the votes to invoke cloture at this point. There was a lot of arm-twisting going on in the House to get this thing through. The Senate is less susceptible to this kind of browbeating, but it still goes on. I'm sure some Senators are thinking, "Hey, Barack, you may be gone in 2012; I'd like to still be around."

    Well, there is always that option....

    If it comes to that, it won't be neat or pretty, and there won't be any guarantee that what results will be better. I'm afraid that at some point, people will choose the devil they don't know over the one they do. The sad part is that they're dealing with the present devil that they created. [sad]
     
  26. Phr00t

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    Yeah, I hear you. The new healthcare plan will require you to pay for other people's healthcare. The poor who can't afford it will get "credits" to help purchase healthcare. I can understand why this sounds crappy.. why should you have to pay for someone else?

    I think we already are paying for other people's healthcare... when those poor people can't get treatment, they end up in the emergency room needing very expensive emergency care. The hospital can't turn them down, so we end up paying for that. I'd rather give that person $10 to avoid going to the emergency room vs. $500 in the emergency room. [thinking]

    Anyway, I think the goal of healthcare reform is to actually pay less for healthcare over time... so less of our money goes to paying for other people than it does already. [thinking]
     
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    Sure we might as well give it shot. I mean the deficit is under control and taxes aren't that bad, so what's the big deal about dropping a trillion or so?

    Personally, I think they should rewrite the constitution to include the right to health care or better yet just tear it up. I'm sick of hearing about all these rich people make 100K or 200K - who needs that much money? It's time to help out the lazy and the stupid!
     
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    Move somewhere else.
     
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    I hope this doesn't last too long before someone decides to go back to DU and play. [rolleyes]
     
  30. Phr00t

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    I know you are being sarcastic [smile] The deficit is a mess, but taxes actually are not that bad:

    [​IMG]

    And our taxes are actually pretty damn good compared to other countries:

    http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/P148855.asp

    And yes.. the house plan is a trillion bucks (or more). That is pretty damn high, I agree. However, it is (hopefully) going to be actually paid for by slightly increasing taxes among the very rich and reallocating money already being spent. The purpose of the bill is to reduce the deficit, so hopefully passing this bill will actually save us money. [thinking]
     

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