Healey & LTC Process

[Len-2A Training]

I just spoke with Reed Hillman, Lt. Gov candidate about the LTC pronouncement that Kerry Healey made and how to modify it to work properly without looking like she's giving in to anyone.

Reed tells me that he's in line with my ideas and has reached out to Jim Wallace (Exec Dir of GOAL) to resolve this issue (where Kerry pissed off both sides). Reed asked me to communicate my ideas to Jim Wallace, which I have done in Email and will follow-up with a phone call tomorrow.

My ideas:

• MSP (or perhaps CHSB) issues ALL LTCs just like NR LTCs are issued today. By strict adherence to the MGLs requirements ONLY.
  
• Local chief gets a copy of our application form (just like when we file with BATFE for a C&R FFL) and thus if they do have specific information or an objection, they can articulate that in writing to the MSP for consideration as to why someone who meets the law should NOT get a LTC-A/ALP.
  
• Since the local chiefs are not stupid enough to try to use “I don’t believe that anyone should have a gun” or “women should not be able to carry”, etc. when they have to put it in writing to their peers, most of the abuses would thus disappear.

This should placate the chiefs (they get a feeling of veto power) and the LTC holders (that the arbitrariness is largely stopped), without worry that Mumbles Menino and Chief Gesme won’t be stacking the board with “nobody gets LTCs” members. We don’t need another committee/board, just use what we already have in place for Non Residents.

It sounds to me (from my conversation with Reed) that Kerry was sandbagged by Devil and responded with info where she was not knowledgeable enough to do so without creating harm to her support. She apparently is on our side and meant well, but just overspoke her knowledge. Modification of this position is likely to be seen soon.

 

[Lkwinnipesaukee]

I'll be speaking with Kerry Healey tomorrow morning. I'll be sure to talk to her about the issue and post up what she has to say.

 

[JellyFish]

Sounds good to me, I've love it if it stopped Mumbles and his merry band of a**h***s from victimizing Boston gun owners.

However, I can't help if this is too little too late from Kerry. Well let's hope not.

 

[JonJ]

Thanks for the legwork, Len

 

[JellyFish]

Yes, thanks Len. Good job.

 

[Scrivener]

I'll be speaking with Kerry Healey tomorrow morning. I'll be sure to talk to her about the issue and post up what she has to say.

Is a 17-year old with only an FID card really qualified to discuss this with a gubernatorial candidate?

 

[LoginName]

Sounds like they should have consulted you before it became a big stink in the media.

 

[Lkwinnipesaukee]

Is a 17-year old with only an FID card really qualified to discuss this with a gubernatorial candidate?

Haha, why not!

 

[Len-2A Training]

It's obvious to me that Kerry's heart is in the right place on the issue, but she doesn't know anything about what she was talking about.

This is a case where if the Col. was asked about it, at least he understands the process and the abuse thereof.

I purposely called Reed because:

- He understands the issues, he was Col of the MSP and issued the LTCs back then.

- He was a State Rep and a member of the Jt. Comm. on Public Safety, so he heard the horror stories about abuse annually (back then) and the hand-wringing from MCOPA too.

- He can talk intelligently with Kerry and get her to correct her course before it is too late.

- Reed is approachable. I've "known" him for many years (spoken to him off and on at some hearings and at a Safety Officers' meeting last Spring). He gave me his home phone number and Email address and told me that if I had any concerns to give him a call/Email. I took him up on it and he's already on top of this issue (before I called).

Let's hope it does some good!

 

[Len-2A Training]

Is a 17-year old with only an FID card really qualified to discuss this with a gubernatorial candidate?

Regrettably, he probably knows more about the process than Kerry Healey does!

So far, the 1st A doesn't have a minimum age on it, so he's free to speak his mind.

I don't know him, but I do hope he uses common sense and respectfully makes his points without coming across negatively.

 

[Len-2A Training]

Sounds like they should have consulted you before it became a big stink in the media.

I was told she was blind-sided about her GOAL endorsement by Devil and her response went beyond her knowledge level. The term "engage brain before inserting foot in mouth" comes to mind here! So now it is "damage control" time.

However, I get NO impression that she wanted to hand over control to folks like Menino, Gesme, etc.

 

[Lkwinnipesaukee]

I don't know him, but I do hope he uses common sense and respectfully makes his points without coming across negatively.

Of course. I have a lot of respect for Healey.


Its tomorrow in Framingham. I'm going for my school paper, but would also like to talk with her about other issues. Should be fun

 

[Scrivener]

So far, the 1st A doesn't have a minimum age on it, so he's free to speak his mind.

Virtually every school administrator and teacher I know would vehemently deny that assertion - and with substantial evidence in their favor.

Moreover, that was not my point; contacting public officials - especially those seeking your vote - is a right. However, the party in question is:

1. a MINOR, ergo;

2. Cannot vote; and

3. Does not and cannot hold the license in question and thinks his FID card will get him a NH non-res CCW.

So much for his qualifications.

Expect his inquiry to be treated accordingly.

 

[Bandit]

Kerry Healey was only made aware that We were having a problem with LTC being issued at the Mass Sportsmen's Council Oct meeting where She and Reed were guests.
That question was asked of Her , and She stated She , that She was NOT
Aware there was a Problem with Lawful Citizens Not able to get LTC ,and that She would look into it.
( Only took 3 Weeks )
I was one of the Members that gave Her Examples of Our Problems.

Bob

Has Any Devil Lovers asked Him to " Fix The Injustice "

 

[Len-2A Training]

Reed knows about the problems!! He and I discussed them in some depth during this phone conversation, he heard plenty as State Rep/Public Safety Committee person, etc. In fact Reed and I had a long conversation after the guy from Concord testified about his run-in with the PD about his old FID card back ~1999 . . . I think that meeting was held in Grafton IIRC.

Too bad Healey didn't ask him for a full briefing on what goes on . . . before she opened her mouth and inserted her foot.

 

[Lkwinnipesaukee]

I'm sorry, SIR did I offend you? Because if I have, I sincerely apologize . I realize that you probably think that all teenagers are rotten scumbags. But I have as much free speech as anyone else here. You can ask MY school administrators to attest to that.

And my inquiry on PDO was just that, an INQUIRY. And youre right, I dont and probably wont hold an LTC from this communist state, as I will be moving out of here the minute I graduate high school (to attend college in one of the 49 United States)

I suggest you take a step back and look at what you've said to someone you dont even know.

Virtually every school administrator and teacher I know would vehemently deny that assertion - and with substantial evidence in their favor.

Moreover, that was not my point; contacting public officials - especially those seeking your vote - is a right. However, the party in question is:

1. a MINOR, ergo;

2. Cannot vote; and

3. Does not and cannot hold the license in question and thinks his FID card will get him a NH non-res CCW.

So much for his qualifications.

Expect his inquiry to be treated accordingly.

 

[reinbeau]

Virtually every school administrator and teacher I know would vehemently deny that assertion - and with substantial evidence in their favor.

Moreover, that was not my point; contacting public officials - especially those seeking your vote - is a right. However, the party in question is:

1. a MINOR, ergo;

2. Cannot vote; and

3. Does not and cannot hold the license in question and thinks his FID card will get him a NH non-res CCW.

So much for his qualifications.

Expect his inquiry to be treated accordingly.

Whatever you do, Scrivener, make sure you beat this young upstart down - back where he belongs. Don't give him any credit for trying, degrade his efforts as stupid and fruitless.

You don't have kids, do you?

I'm sorry, SIR did I offend you? Because if I have, I sincerely apologize . I realize that you probably think that all teenagers are rotten scumbags. But I have as much free speech as anyone else here. You can ask MY school administrators to attest to that.

And my inquiry on PDO was just that, an INQUIRY. And youre right, I dont and probably wont hold an LTC from this communist state, as I will be moving out of here the minute I graduate high school (to attend college in one of the 49 United States)

I suggest you take a step back and look at what you've said to someone you dont even know.

Don't take it personally, Scrivener scorns everyone. He'll [sic] all of your spelling errors, too.

You have every single right to speak to anyone. Just keep in mind that some people (like Scrivener) forget they were young once, too. Please keep trying to reach out and learn - you might teach some of the old fogies something while you're at it!

 

[C-pher]

Whatever you do, Scrivener, make sure you beat this young upstart down - back where he belongs. Don't give him any credit for trying, degrade his efforts as stupid and fruitless.

Yea, damn whipper snappers. They should never learn things that aren't of their age level! He should be out picking his nose and riding a skateboard.

We don't want the next generation shooting anyway. We're on the path to losing all gun rights. So there's no reason to have the next generation interested Ann.

Jeez, don't you know anything?

 

[JellyFish]

You are doing a good thing and acting in a soul-ful, responsible way. Unlike many of the apathetic, lazy people that we all see too often these days.

Don't let Scriv bother you. When he gets cranky, offer him a Scooby Snack as that usually calms him down and makes him less cranky.

Keep up the good work and don't let anybody bother you with their negativity.

I'm sorry, SIR did I offend you? Because if I have, I sincerely apologize . I realize that you probably think that all teenagers are rotten scumbags. But I have as much free speech as anyone else here. You can ask MY school administrators to attest to that.

And my inquiry on PDO was just that, an INQUIRY. And youre right, I dont and probably wont hold an LTC from this communist state, as I will be moving out of here the minute I graduate high school (to attend college in one of the 49 United States)

I suggest you take a step back and look at what you've said to someone you dont even know.

 

[Admin]

Is a 17-year old with only an FID card really qualified to discuss this with a gubernatorial candidate?

What a chooch.... God forbid a young American show interest in the 2nd Amendment. Maybe he should just suck up the Socialist-anti-gun ramblings that the secondary education system throws at him all day every day.

 

[C-pher]

What a chooch.... God forbid a young American show interest in the 2nd Amendment. Maybe he should just suck up the Socialist-anti-gun ramblings that the secondary education system throws at him all day every day.

You seem to think that I would be good at teaching him that one D.

 

[drgrant]

I'm sorry, SIR did I offend you? Because if I have, I sincerely apologize . I realize that you probably think that all teenagers are rotten scumbags. But I have as much free speech as anyone else here. You can ask MY school administrators to attest to that.

And my inquiry on PDO was just that, an INQUIRY. And youre right, I dont and probably wont hold an LTC from this communist state, as I will be moving out of here the minute I graduate high school (to attend college in one of the 49 United States)

I too, applaud you for your efforts, at your age. The fact that
you actually take a stand and interact with people is a good thing.

When you move out of here though, realize that there are a dozen or so
states which are contaminated in much the same way MA is, so that list is
going to get cut down to like 37 or less. Although if you want to
stay in the region, the two states immediately north of us, are a couple of
the best in the US, insofar as gun rights are concerned.

-Mike

 

[Coyote33]

Is a 17-year old with only an FID card really qualified to discuss this with a gubernatorial candidate?

Since when was qualification necessary to speak?

 

[JonJ]

Virtually every school administrator and teacher I know would vehemently deny that assertion - and with substantial evidence in their favor.

Moreover, that was not my point; contacting public officials - especially those seeking your vote - is a right. However, the party in question is:

1. a MINOR, ergo;

2. Cannot vote; and

3. Does not and cannot hold the license in question and thinks his FID card will get him a NH non-res CCW.

So much for his qualifications.

Expect his inquiry to be treated accordingly.

I usually blow off your insults whether intended or not but that sucked.

 

[Scrivener]

For those unable - or unwilling - to grasp the obvious, what I said was:

Moreover, that was not my point; contacting public officials - especially those seeking your vote - is a right.

Our watery friend is certainly free to bring up any subject he wishes with Healey - or any other politician - should he actually get an opportunity to.

The issue is whether a minor who can't vote, doesn't hold the license he's asking about and therefore has zero standing on the issue will actually benefit him or us by doing so.

Note that none of the above has anything to do with "scumbags," teen-aged or otherwise, nor with teens other than those too young to vote. Assertions on each subject are the result of desperation, stupidity, wilful disregard of clear posts and/or a combination of the aforementioned defects.

Should anyone be able to identify a benefit from our unqualified junior shooter raising an issue on which Healey has already revealed herself to be ill-informed and unprepared, please enlighten us as to what that advantage might be.

 

[Lkwinnipesaukee]

The issue is whether a minor who can't vote, doesn't hold the license he's asking about and therefore has zero standing on the issue will actually benefit him or us by doing so.

Yeah, kinda like how you have zero standing on anything school related because you dont go to school...

 

[Admin]

Should anyone be able to identify a benefit from our unqualified junior shooter raising an issue on which Healey has already revealed herself to be ill-informed and unprepared, please enlighten us as to what that advantage might be.

Maybe he's just curious.

 

[Coyote33]

Or maybe his birthday is tomorrow.

 

[Admin]

Or maybe his birthday is tomorrow.

Or maybe sometime in the next four years he will be able to purchase firearms.

 

[TY43215]

[SNIP]

Should anyone be able to identify a benefit from our unqualified junior shooter raising an issue on which Healey has already revealed herself to be ill-informed and unprepared, please enlighten us as to what that advantage might be.

From what I have seen, most politicians revel at the chance to answer questions from what they see as "Potential" or "Future" voters. That is the reason they do the school interviews. The candidates feel it shows them in a more giving light as "Real People" who spend time when there is nothing to gain.

You know only too well that it is all a show. Why not let a student ask questions and then go home and tout the virtues of a candidate that actually spent time with a non voter?

I would like to see the article when written. It will probably make more sense than the main stream media.


Regards,