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On the one hand,Massachusetts has tightened that up with case law. You better have articulated facts that lead you to believe they had a weapon
Cop in the family told me that it comes up on the screen, including known inventory.On the one hand,
everyone else on NES swears that SCMODS always beeps that a driver has an LTC.
Is that a sufficient fact?
On the other hand,
RAS of "armed" and "dangerous" is necessary and sufficient under Terry anyhow.
So what's the difference?
And if there is a difference,
what're the consequences of frisking someone under the Federal standard?
Thanks in advance.
- Civil rights suit?
- Possession of contraband weapons not admissible in criminal weapons charges?
- ???
I think the "blinking" part is legit, at least.Cop in the family told me that it comes up on the screen, including known inventory.
He didn't say that there was a warning light/beep/red flare though.
I'll have to ask him at Thanksgiving dinner.
Why would you guys say, "Never happen"? How many things have happened in the last 50 years have that you thought would have?
One guy in my unit shipped his M-60 home from VN to Texas. He got blagged and did 10 years.
All the kids that pick up the shell casings fired by drill teams during parades? INSTANT CRIMINALSWow what if some idiot just dropped of .22 casings around to get people in trouble?
That would suck.
On the one hand,
everyone else on NES swears that SCMODS always beeps that a driver has an LTC.
Is that a sufficient fact?
On the other hand,
RAS of "armed" and "dangerous" is necessary and sufficient under Terry anyhow.
So what's the difference?
And if there is a difference,
what're the consequences of frisking someone under the Federal standard?
Thanks in advance.
- Civil rights suit?
- Possession of contraband weapons not admissible in criminal weapons charges?
- ???
If you say so, must be true.Because theres a bunch of hyperbole often used when describing legal punishments for gun crimes which is not in alignment with real life results. Fake bullshit and hyperbole helps
no one. On a good day it results in people spreading misinformation. On a bad day it makes someone spread misinformation AND make a personal risk assessment based on erroneous
or fluffed up/exaggerated information. Either of these things often result in poor outcomes. Not to mention the atmosphere of fear it creates deters people from getting an LTC etc, if they believe that a minor transgression will get them thrown in the slammer.
For example if someone told me "you could go to jail for a few years for carrying a gun illegally in NJ" I would believe them, because.... that's actually happened. (see also, plaxico burress etc).
On the other hand, some histrionic boomer pant shitter will go around on some gun board and say "YEW GUIZE YEW COULD GO TO federal JAYLE for 10 YEARS or 250,000 FYNE FOR AN ILLEGUL MACHEEEN GUN!!!" but that never actually happens, the real deal is more like 1-3 years and some much smaller fine. (still heavy punishment, but also vastly reduced from the hyperbole).
In Mass the vast majority of dumb paper gun crimes end up in a CWOF, maybe (permanent or temporary) loss or suspension of LTC, some expensive legal fees and stolen shit by gov, but actually "going to jayle" you have to rack up a good score to actually have that happen.
If you say so, must be true.
That’s a lot of words bro. I’ll do my best.
That's been my line in here for ages.Not every cop is going to know that you have an LTC. It depends on their software, what they run you on, whether or not you live in that town, and if the dispatcher is on top of their game.
If it's just tossing illegal possession charges, that ain't much.I’m not a constitutional scholar, my point really centers around the fact that Massachusetts has become antagonistic towards cops putting people down quote for their own safety…. If they are just padding down every person they come across, and find something, there’s a much greater chance of the courts tossing it now than they used to be. Unless you have articulable facts
My only son is 46 years old and already has his PHD. and two sons.I'm only 2 years younger but, if your still picking up your kids at school..............God Bless You!
PUBLIC ENEMY No. 1...
It took me a minute. That is pretty funny.“I carry a bullet in my breast pocket. Once, a crazy evangelist threw a bible at me, which would have gone through my heart if it wasn’t for the bullet.”
-- Woody Allen when he was funny.
Because the f**king a**holes who write these laws have absolutely NO idea what they are legislating. They listen to douchebags like John Rosenthal and Shannon (T)Watts and come up with these stupid regulations. Even a shell that could be re-loaded (9 mm, .45, etc.) would require thousands of dollars worth of equipment AND primers AND gunpowder all which require a license. Passing these idiotic laws just makes these morons feel like they have done something "to prevent gun violence".Since a spent .22LR casing can't be reloaded, why isn't it excluded from the definition of "component"? Seems to me it is no longer a part which could be used to make a new cartridge.
Many if not most PDs in Eastern MA have upgraded their MDTs to run CJISWeb. Officer on the road plugs in your license plate or drivers license and if that person has a LTC or FID, it immediately comes up on the screen. No fancy gyrations needed to get that info any more. Those PDs who don't have electricity yet or still use punch-tape to run a plate won't have that capability.That’s a lot of words bro. I’ll do my best. Not every cop is going to know that you have an LTC. It depends on their software, what they run you on, whether or not you live in that town, and if the dispatcher is on top of their game.
I’m not a constitutional scholar, my point really centers around the fact that Massachusetts has become antagonistic towards cops putting people down quote for their own safety…. If they are just padding down every person they come across, and find something, there’s a much greater chance of the courts tossing it now than they used to be. Unless you have articulable facts
Because MA and Gunz! Those writing the laws are clueless, but hate guns and gun owners, so they write garbage laws.Since a spent .22LR casing can't be reloaded, why isn't it excluded from the definition of "component"? Seems to me it is no longer a part which could be used to make a new cartridge.
Many if not most PDs in Eastern MA have upgraded their MDTs to run CJISWeb. ...
As I always warn people: don't look at how the law is applied; look at how it could be applied.Never actually happens lol