Harvard student told to move due to legal firearms, after roommates search her room

[AHM]

If the other roommates suddenly left, she would be screwed.... No chance of making them pay because the lease clearly states any and all of them are equally liable for the 6k,and the landlord hates her and she is still there, so take a guess who he would pursue for the full amount.

Doesn't work that way. If they all left and she was left alone in the house the worst thing she would have to deal with was heating a giant house throughout winter (unless H&HW are included in the rent, LL cannot shut that off during winter even during eviction process). At that point if one person didn't pay rent they would all be jointly and severally in violation of the lease and the LL could either try to work it out or begin eviction proceedings against all parties of the lease. Eviction proceedings are a MINIMUM of 6 - 9 months, collecting no rent. He cannot pursue her individually, he would have to pursue all parties including guarantors.

(Emphasis mine).

Ignoring what would be prudent,
how is it possible for the landlord to be so-constrained -
given the definition of "joint and several liability"?

• Landlords Should Treat Tenant Roommates As One Person To Better Understand Joint and Several Liability and Resolve Tenant Disputes
• Policies and Procedures for Harvard University Housing Tenants (Including Rules and Regulations for Harvard University Housing) 2018 – 2019 Leasing Season [Not that this is Harvard-owned property, but even Harvard Freaking University reserves the right to pursue some but not all tenants.]
  
• Wikipedia: Joint and several liability

 

[HuntMaine]

Let's see .... you posted at 2:12PM

So …. it was VB.

You should know better.

The less people who listen to that twit, the sooner he'll be gone.

Yes it was VB , I was in a Uber ready to tuck and roll on the highway. Painful

 

[Frizzle Fry]

So that would apply to whites and blacks who came to this country as indentured servants in the early 1600's as well as Africans who were brought here as slaves beginning approximately 20 years later?

Obviously troll.

 

[Prepper]

Doesn't work that way. If they all left and she was left alone in the house the worst thing she would have to deal with was heating a giant house throughout winter (unless H&HW are included in the rent, LL cannot shut that off during winter even during eviction process). At that point if one person didn't pay rent they would all be jointly and severally in violation of the lease and the LL could either try to work it out or begin eviction proceedings against all parties of the lease. Eviction proceedings are a MINIMUM of 6 - 9 months, collecting no rent. He cannot pursue her individually, he would have to pursue all parties including guarantors.

I know you are a realtor and all, but it did not work that way when I rented in MA. When a roommate suddenly moved out (they were on the lease), I had to pay the whole thing. If I kept on handing the landlord just my half, I would be in trouble. Sure, I could play the game of not pay anything and get free housing for a while until they complete the lengthy eviction process, but I don't roll that way.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

It would be much simpler if leases could be printed on a 3x5 card reading:

Term is ... Rent is ..... Liability is joint & several
Tenants agree that their rights under this lease are limited to only to those protected by state and federal law.

I know you are a realtor and all, but it did not work that way when I rented in MA. When a roommate suddenly moved out (they were on the lease), I had to pay the whole thing. If I kept on handing the landlord just my half, I would be in trouble. Sure, I could play the game of not pay anything and get free housing for a while until they complete the lengthy eviction process, but I don't roll that way.

Close. You and the roommate were each on the hook for the entire thing.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

The article didn't address this. However, Capt. Donovan of the Somerville Police Dept. inspected her firearm(s) and said that everything was legal.

I hope someone in contact with her or her father explain the storage regulations. She should know since he obviously has a MA LTC and this should have been covered in the BFS class.

If the Captn was looking for trouble, he would have asked to see how/where they were stored. If he already checked and knew she had an LTC, and did not want to work her over, he would have arranged a meeting to which she brought the guns.

 

[HuntMaine]

If she was one of my kids roommates I would have no issue. Period

 

[bfm]

Anyone else in Somerville who also wants to bring the violation of the no more than four rule to the notice of the city, please do.

The more the merrier when it comes to making noise.

 

[Glockster30]

I hope someone in contact with her or her father explain the storage regulations. She should know since he obviously has a MA LTC and this should have been covered in the BFS class.

If the Captn was looking for trouble, he would have asked to see how/where they were stored. If he already checked and knew she had an LTC, and did not want to work her over, he would have arranged a meeting to which she brought the guns.

If the article is written correctly, it appears that the woman, Pirnie, did allow the police captain to inspect the guns in her room and was told that "...she was in compliance with all applicable [MA] laws." Otherwise, he would have nailed her for improper storage.

In response to the email from Pirnie's roommate, Lewis contacted Captain James Donovan of the Somerville Police Department to inspect Pirnie's firearms and ensure they were in compliance with Massachusetts law. Pirnie agreed to allowing the police to inspect her firearms and said she was told she is in compliance with all applicable laws. Lewis acknowledged the department's conclusion that Pirnie was not breaking any gun laws in his email telling Pirnie to move out.

 

[bfm]

Otherwise, he would have nailed her for improper storage.

Phrasing!



Are we not doing "Phrasing" anymore?

 

[Rob Boudrie]

If the article is written correctly, it appears that the woman, Pirnie, did allow the police captain to inspect the guns in her room

I see nothing in the article indicating where the inspection took place.

 

[Matt_SERE]

I would love to hear if this is even being discussed at the police station from our resident Somerville Officer, but don't want him to out himself.

 

[AHM]

I see nothing the article indicating where the inspection took place.

If in the context of legal possession and storage
Captain Donovan proclaimed that
she was in compliance with "all applicable laws",
when in fact he conducted the "inspection" sitting in his
cruiser wearing a brown paper bag over his head with his eyes closed,
so that he evaluated Ø - the empty set of laws -
well, I'd like to buy that man a drink.

 

[Glockster30]

I see nothing in the article indicating where the inspection took place.

That's why I stated in my very first post...lack of information in the article. An inspection had to take place somewhere though, otherwise the police captain wouldn't have said she was in compliance with MA law. Since the landlord ratted her out, it could be presumed that the inspection took place in her room or maybe in the captain's cruiser. The article was also silent about her being asked to bring the guns to the police station, which wouldn't make any sense if the captain wanted to determine if she safely had them stored.

I don't know much about the Somerville police, but I'd assume they are a**h***s when it comes to guns. However, since she wasn't cited for violating any MA laws, does it really matter where the inspection took place for purposes of this thread? No!

 

[glockforlife]

Obviously troll.

Nope. Just applying historical accuracy to your "definition" of Heritage American.

 

[LoginName]

Looks like the story has made it to the British press...

Female Harvard student is ordered to move out of apartment after MAGA hat made roommates suspicious | Daily Mail Online

 

[Glockster30]

I see nothing in the article indicating where the inspection took place.

The captain inspected the premises including the proper storage of the firearms according to an email sent by the landlord to the affected parties.

Only in Massachusetts - Roommates Demand Landlord Evict Harvard Student Over Legally Owned Guns...and He Does - The Truth About Guns

 

[silversquirrel]

PD Interview scheduled? Am I missing something?

 

[Waher]

PD Interview scheduled? Am I missing something?

Grace period for obtaining a license upon moving into the state? Or maybe a renewal?

 

[firestorm]

Grace period for obtaining a license upon moving into the state? Or maybe a renewal?

I would guess grace period for moving in. If a renewal it wouldn't matter since she would have a current license.

 

[Glockster30]

According to the original article, she is only 24 years old, so it's not a renewal. The article didn't mention anything about her having a MA LTC, so as Waher and firestorm stated, she must be in the grace period since she moved here to attend school last Sept.

 

[LoginName]

I would guess grace period for moving in. If a renewal it wouldn't matter since she would have a current license.

If Somerville is anything like some other fiefdoms in the Boston area (cough... Watertown), the PD will conduct an interview for renewals.

 

[bfm]

If Somerville is anything like some other fiefdoms in the Boston area (cough... Watertown), the PD will conduct an interview for renewals.

Somerville does interviews for renewals. And yes, this would seem to be a first interview for an LTC after moving. Chief Fallon and Captain Donovan have been pretty fair and even as far as I have seen regarding LTCs and related issues.


And if you are a Somerville resident, do call city hall and ask if they are investigating the number of residents in the unit.

 

[firestorm]

If Somerville is anything like some other fiefdoms in the Boston area (cough... Watertown), the PD will conduct an interview for renewals.

Yeah, I just meant that it wouldn't matter that she was heading in for an interview if it was a renewal because that would mean she already had a current LTC. The only reason I thought they added it in was because it is pending and they are trying to make issue of it.

 

[Squire]

If you can't trust someone to have a gun in your shared apartment why are you living with them? There are so many other, more likely ways of being harmed.

The anti-gunners have won, the mere desire to have a gun makes one an outcast, with a grudge against society, and likely to snap; thus, ban them all.

 

[Waher]

Worth noting that all of this is shitting on a domestic violence/sexual assault survivor. So where are all the feminists, #METOO, #WARONWOMEN, people standing up for this young woman empowering and defending herself from any additional harm?

 

[Glockster30]

Worth noting that all of this is shitting on a domestic violence/sexual assault survivor. So where are all the feminists, #METOO, #WARONWOMEN, people standing up for this young woman empowering and defending herself from any additional harm?

Shirley, you jest! The feminists are wondering why she wasn't cuffed, stuffed into a cruiser, and sitting in a jail because...legal guns scared the crap out of her housemates.

 

[Frizzle Fry]

Nope. Just applying historical accuracy to your "definition" of Heritage American.

So people who now reside in the US, whose ancestors 6-10 generations ago voluntarily or involuntarily came to what is now the US before it existed, or during it's early existence in times of slavery and pressbonding, wouldn't have had a chain of more recent ancestors raised in a pre-welfare-state United States, and be likely to have been imparted with some traditional American values? As compared to some (but certainly not all) who themselves, or their parents, or their grandparents, have come to the US (and its educational system) during the welfare state era of the last few decades?

Not seeing your point here, other than an opportunity to insert "muh slavery" and "muh racialism" for absolutely no reason.

 

[AHM]

An inspection had to take place somewhere though, otherwise the police captain wouldn't have said she was in compliance with MA law.

(Notwithstanding the photo of the landlord's letter with the actual details),
a Mass. "firearms law" inspection could theoretically consist solely of
showing a policeman a box of JHP with (say) 8 rounds missing,
and the policeman concluding that the fire code
requiring ammo not-in-use be stored in its original packaging
was, like, totally being obeyed to every last jot and tittle.

 

[amm5061]

Worth noting that all of this is shitting on a domestic violence/sexual assault survivor. So where are all the feminists, #METOO, #WARONWOMEN, people standing up for this young woman empowering and defending herself from any additional harm?

Yeah, I was wondering that, too. I chalked it up to her being a Trump supporter. #poundmetoo