H&K Will Not Sell to Israel

Vast majority of Jews in this country vote for Democrats,so....the vast majority of Jews vote for people that want to restrict my freedoms.

So just like any other group who votes against my rights,I don't care how much they cry and complain.Pretty sure they don't need HK weapons anyway,we will give them all they need or they can make their own.

You are not too swift, now are you. What do Jewish American voting patterns have to do with the State of Israel?
 
Vast majority of Jews in this country vote for Democrats,so....the vast majority of Jews vote for people that want to restrict my freedoms.

So just like any other group who votes against my rights,I don't care how much they cry and complain.Pretty sure they don't need HK weapons anyway,we will give them all they need or they can make their own.

There are more Christian Democrats than Jewish Democrats, do you group all Christians together and blame them?

You are not too swift, now are you. What do Jewish American voting patterns have to do with the State of Israel?

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And I'll add that I don't really care whether HK sells to Israel, they were just one of many countries HK chose not to sell to. And Israel produces their own kick-ass guns to equip it's kick-ass military, so who cares what HK does. There are still some HKs I like and have no problem with anyone buying them, frankly I think this whole thread blows the situation way out of proportion.
 
There are more Christian Democrats than Jewish Democrats, do you group all Christians together and blame them?

I guess I do, to the extent they're pushing collectivism. I know anyone who supports the shit coming out of the pope's mouth is part of the problem.
 
Hmm, I think the German govt. forgot who murdered the Israeli athletes in Munich? If I recall it was the PLO, those wild and crazy Palestinians led by the pedophile Arafat. Now they classify Israel as an aggressor Nation because they retaliate when they're attacked? Merkel destroyed German nationality when she opened the doors to the Muslim refugees and these ****ing moonbats in his continue to deny that Islam is not a religion of peace. Europe is the perfect example of why you screen all refugees and immigrants to your country. I work in a secure facility that requires a minimum Secret clearance to gain employment and many of my fellow co-workers are recent immigrants where English is a second language.

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Vast majority of Jews in this country vote for Democrats,so....the vast majority of Jews vote for people that want to restrict my freedoms.

So just like any other group who votes against my rights,I don't care how much they cry and complain.Pretty sure they don't need HK weapons anyway,we will give them all they need or they can make their own.
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Those are NYC liberal Jews, nothing to do w/Israeli's.
 
Those are NYC liberal Jews, nothing to do w/Israeli's.

I don't know. I think jews across the country tend to vote solidly left. I also think a decent amount of them have ties to Israel, if only emotional ties. Most of the ones I work with make a point of travelling there every so often.
 
So,you don't think the way Jews vote here influence US politicians policies with Israel ?
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Obviously not under Obama, he hated Israel and Bibi because he is a Muslim sympathizer. Hopefully that woke up a lot of Jews to the Dems pandering to the Palestinians and their anti-Israel policy.
 
There are more Christian Democrats than Jewish Democrats, do you group all Christians together and blame them?



This ^

And I'll add that I don't really care whether HK sells to Israel, they were just one of many countries HK chose not to sell to. And Israel produces their own kick-ass guns to equip it's kick-ass military, so who cares what HK does. There are still some HKs I like and have no problem with anyone buying them, frankly I think this whole thread blows the situation way out of proportion.


Pardon my ignorance but does Israel even regularly buy arms from HK or is just a symbolic refusal to sell to them?
 
Whenever I see threads featuring moral outrage over the actions of a gun company, I expectantly check the classifieds hoping for a flood of low priced firearms only to be disappointed.
 
It doesn't take much research to see that Arabs serve prominently throughout Israel's democracy, holding positions of power in her military (with positions as high as General), representing Palestinians in the Knesset (Parliament), and even serving on Israel's Supreme Court. What's more democratic than that? And although I agree that Israel doesn't need HK's support, I feel very strongly that HK can go f*ck themselves.
 
Whenever I see threads featuring moral outrage over the actions of a gun company, I expectantly check the classifieds hoping for a flood of low priced firearms only to be disappointed.

we are not crazy liberals. we are not going to dump a gun we already bought. but when it comes time to buy a new one, HK will not be a first choice.

We should be buying American company firearms in any event, let the germans eat sauerkraut.
 
Israel's actions speak for themselves - let me know when they commit troops to our next warzone, or sign a peace-deal with the Palestinians and take the wind out of sails of 99% of the World's terrorist networks.

Muslim terrorists mostly murder other Muslims in Muslim countries and this is somehow the Joooos fault? Yeah sure buddy the Ottoman Empire was totally peaceful in its dominion over the Middle East prior to Israel's modern existence..... or not.
 
HK is an EU based and managed company. Prevailing views in the EU are irreparably progressive. It's fashionable in progressive circles to be pro Palestine and anti Israel. They're formulating their list of loosely defined problem countries and some guy with low T but wearing a nice suit sitting in a conference room in Germany adds Israel to the list. The rest of the progressive socialists in the meeting talk about it for 2 or 3 minutes. They note that they don't currently sell much in Israel. They have an informal vote and it's a done deal.
 
No doubt.....but you dont see IMI doing "Dumb Shit" like using polymer composites to secure barrel's that melt when they get hot like on the G36

B/c IMI learned from HK, like many manufacturers did...

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Go look at how the permanent members of the UN Security Council have voted on issues related to Isreal or the farce of a "nation" Palestine.

Go look at the early history of Isreal......The UK. France and others CREATED Isreal and then hung them out to dry by refusing to allow them to purchase/import arms to defend themselves from neighboring arab countries.

Most of them say one thing publicly and do another.....this waxes and wanes depending on the current administrations of all of the above....including the US.....

Personally I think Isreal should take care of Isreal and we shouldnt be providing aid......happy to sell them arms but US tax payers shouldnt be footing the bill for ANY foreign aid....for ANYONE

It's not my job to go look up your assertion.
 
Muslim terrorists mostly murder other Muslims in Muslim countries and this is somehow the Joooos fault? Yeah sure buddy the Ottoman Empire was totally peaceful in its dominion over the Middle East prior to Israel's modern existence..... or not.

Al Qaeda has PUBLICLY stated that the formation of their organization was significantly motivated by the Jewish treatment of Palestinians. Let me know when they succeed in blowing-up a building in Tel Aviv.
 
HK is an EU based and managed company. Prevailing views in the EU are irreparably progressive. It's fashionable in progressive circles to be pro Palestine and anti Israel. They're formulating their list of loosely defined problem countries and some guy with low T but wearing a nice suit sitting in a conference room in Germany adds Israel to the list. The rest of the progressive socialists in the meeting talk about it for 2 or 3 minutes. They note that they don't currently sell much in Israel. They have an informal vote and it's a done deal.
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Correct.
 
And the durkas should be believed why?

AQ/ISIL/ISIL are all religious fanatics bent on killing everyone that doesnt submit to their beliefs

You can argue about who's in the top three slots on the list but it doesnt really matter because EVERYONE is ON THE LIST to be forced to submit OR be killed

Because they existed before 9/11, and had little-reason to lie about their backstory when discussing such matters? Fanaticism isn't borne in a vacuum...
 
HK is an EU based and managed company. Prevailing views in the EU are irreparably progressive. It's fashionable in progressive circles to be pro Palestine and anti Israel. They're formulating their list of loosely defined problem countries and some guy with low T but wearing a nice suit sitting in a conference room in Germany adds Israel to the list. The rest of the progressive socialists in the meeting talk about it for 2 or 3 minutes. They note that they don't currently sell much in Israel. They have an informal vote and it's a done deal.

You, obviously, have never done business in Germany. There are NO people more anal retentive than german businessmen. I am sure they had a 200 page study done and debated it for around a year before voting. It was not done lightly.

it IS likely that their hate of Jews factored into the vote.
 
Because they existed before 9/11, and had little-reason to lie about their backstory when discussing such matters? Fanaticism isn't borne in a vacuum...

A terrorist organization that wants to gather the support of others by painting themselves as the victim....has "little-reason to lie". By this reasoning everything on the MSM and that Clinton says is true. After all they have little reason to lie.

Give me a break [rolleyes]
 
You, obviously, have never done business in Germany. There are NO people more anal retentive than german businessmen. I am sure they had a 200 page study done and debated it for around a year before voting. It was not done lightly.

it IS likely that their hate of Jews factored into the vote.

I work with our German office every day. They're too efficient to conduct the study, but I could see them goosestepping around the conference room.
 
Wow, I did not know H&K would not sell to Israel. That is stupid like the BDS movement. I was trained with Glock though and do not remember anyone armed with an H&K pistol in Tzahal or Yamam. No more H&Ks for me. P.S. All Israeli submarines are built in Germany.
 
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You right, maybe German start drinking in the morning
So far Israel IWI make their Tavor rifles and sell them in US, India etc.
I don't think they need any of HK products
 
it is something to consider. Just 70 years ago, Germany and Japan were trying to conquer the world, and practicing their brand of genetic purity.

Was that some one-time political delusion, or is there something fundamental to both countries that makes them a "warrior class", like Trump just said i a speech about Japan. Is it WISE to take them off the "prohibited list" and let them build up offensive armies again?

"The U.S. president said he could not understand why a country of samurai warriors did not shoot down the [nk] missiles, the sources said."
 
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