guns found in Somerville

[gene]

Lets start from here
http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXIV/Chapter90/Section23

Section 23. Any person convicted of operating a motor vehicle after his license to operate has been suspended or revoked, or after notice of the suspension or revocation of his right to operate a motor vehicle without a license has been issued by the registrar and received by such person or by his agent or employer, and prior to the restoration of such license or right to operate or to the issuance to him of a new license to operate, and any person convicted of operating or causing or permitting any other person to operate a motor vehicle after the certificate of registration for such vehicle has been suspended or revoked and prior to the restoration of such registration or to the issuance of a new certificate of registration for such vehicle, or whoever exhibits to an officer authorized to make arrests, when requested by said officer to show his license, a license issued to another person with intent to conceal his identity, shall, except as provided by section twenty-eight of chapter two hundred and sixty-six, be punished for a first offence by a fine of not less than five hundred nor more than one thousand dollars or by imprisonment for not more than ten days, or both, and for any subsequent offence by imprisonment for not less than sixty days nor more than one year, and any person who attaches or permits to be attached to a motor vehicle or trailer a number plate assigned to another motor vehicle or trailer, or who obscures or permits to be obscured the figures on any number plate attached to any motor vehicle or trailer, or who fails to display on a motor vehicle or trailer the number plate and the register number duly issued therefor, with intent to conceal the identity of such motor vehicle or trailer, shall be punished by a fine of not more than one hundred dollars or by imprisonment for not more than ten days, or both. Any person convicted of operating a motor vehicle after his license to operate has been revoked by reason of his having been found to be an habitual traffic offender, as provided in section twenty-two F, or after notice of such revocation of his right to operate a motor vehicle without a license has been issued by the registrar and received by such person or by his agent or employer, and prior to the restoration of such license or right to operate or the issuance to him of a new license to operate shall be punished by a fine of not less than five hundred nor more than five thousand dollars or by imprisonment for not more than two years, or both. In no case shall a person be prosecuted for operating after suspension or revocation of a license upon a failure to pay an administrative reinstatement fee without a prior written notice from the registrar mandating payment thereof.

Notwithstanding the preceding paragraph or any other general or special law to the contrary, whoever has not been previously found responsible for or convicted of, or against whom a finding of delinquency or a finding of sufficient facts to support a conviction has not been rendered on, a complaint charging a violation of operating a motor vehicle after his license to operate has been suspended or revoked, or after notice of the suspension or revocation of his right to operate a motor vehicle without a license has been issued by the registrar and received by such person or by his agent or employer, and prior to the restoration of such license or right to operate or to the issuance to him of a new license to operate shall be punished by a fine of not more than $500. This paragraph shall not apply to any person who is charged with operating a motor vehicle after his license to operate has been suspended or revoked pursuant to a violation of paragraph (a) of subdivision (1) of section 24, or section 24D, 24E, 24G, 24L or 24N of this chapter, subsection (a) of section 8 or section 8A or 8B of chapter 90B, section 8, 9 or 11 of chapter 90F or after notice of such suspension or revocation of his right to operate a motor vehicle without a license has been issued and received by such person or by his agent or employer, and prior to the restoration of such license or right to operate or the issuance to him of a new license or right to operate because of any such violation.

Any person convicted of operating a motor vehicle after his license to operate has been suspended or revoked pursuant to a violation of paragraph (a) of subdivision (1) of section twenty-four, or pursuant to section twenty-four D, twenty-four E, twenty-four G, twenty-four L, or twenty-four N of this chapter, or pursuant to subsection (a) of section eight, or pursuant to a violation of section eight A or section eight B of chapter ninety B, or pursuant to a violation of section 8, 9 or 11 of chapter ninety F, or after notice of such suspension or revocation of his right to operate a motor vehicle without a license has been issued and received by such person or by his agent or employer, and prior to the restoration of such license or right to operate or the issuance to him of a new license to operate shall be punished by a fine of not less than one thousand nor more than ten thousand dollars and by imprisonment in a house of correction for not less than sixty days and not more than two and one-half years; provided, however, that the sentence of imprisonment imposed upon such person shall not be reduced to less than sixty days, nor suspended, nor shall any such person be eligible for probation, parole, or furlough or receive any deduction from his sentence for good conduct until he shall have served sixty days of such sentence; provided, further, that the commissioner of correction may, on the recommendation of the warden, superintendent or other person in charge of a correctional institution, or of the administrator of a county correctional institution, grant to an offender committed under this paragraph a temporary release in the custody of an officer of such institution for the following purposes only: to attend the funeral of a relative; to visit a critically ill relative; to obtain emergency medical or psychiatric services unavailable at said institution; or to engage in employment pursuant to a work release program. The provisions of section eighty-seven of chapter two hundred and seventy-six shall not apply to any person charged with a violation of this paragraph. Prosecutions commenced under this paragraph shall not be placed on file or continued without a finding.

Whoever operates a motor vehicle in violation of paragraph (a) of subdivision (1) of section 24, sections 24G or 24L, subsection (a) of section 8 of chapter 90B, sections 8A or 8B of chapter 90B or section 131/2 of chapter 265, while his license or right to operate has been suspended or revoked, or after notice of such suspension or revocation of his right to operate a motor vehicle has been issued and received by such person or by his agent or employer, and prior to the restoration of such license or right to operate or the issuance to him of a new license or right to operate, pursuant to paragraph (a) of subdivision (1) of section 24, sections 24G or 24L, subsection (a) of section 8 of chapter 90B, sections 8A or 8B of chapter 90B or section 131/2 of chapter 265 shall be punished by a fine of not less than $2,500 nor more than $10,000 and by imprisonment in a house of correction for a mandatory period of not less than 1 year and not more than 21/2 years, with said sentence to be served consecutively to and not concurrent with any other sentence or penalty. Such sentence shall not be suspended, nor shall any such person be eligible for probation, parole, or furlough or receive any deduction from his sentence for good conduct until he shall have served said 1 year of such sentence; provided, however, that the commissioner of correction may, on the recommendation of the warden, superintendent or other person in charge of a correctional institution, or of the administrator of a county correctional institution, grant to an offender committed under this paragraph a temporary release in the custody of an officer of such institution only to obtain emergency medical or psychiatric services unavailable at said institution or to engage in employment pursuant to a work release program. Section 87 of chapter 276 shall not apply to any person charged with a violation of this paragraph. Prosecutions commenced under this paragraph shall not be placed on file or continued without a finding.

A certificate of the registrar or his authorized agent that a license or right to operate motor vehicles or a certificate of registration of a motor vehicle has not been restored or that the registrar has not issued a new license so to operate to the defendant or a new certificate of registration for a motor vehicle the registration whereof has been revoked, shall be admissible as evidence in any court of the commonwealth to prove the facts certified to therein, in any prosecution hereunder wherein such facts are material. A certificate of a clerk of court that a person’s license or right to operate a motor vehicle was suspended for a specified period shall be admissible as prima facie evidence in any court of the commonwealth to prove the facts certified to therein in any prosecution commenced under this section.

Upon a conviction of operating after suspension or revocation of license or right to operate under the first paragraph, the registrar shall extend said suspension or revocation for an additional sixty days. Upon a conviction of operating after suspension or revocation of license or right to operate under the second paragraph, the registrar shall extend said suspension or revocation for an additional year.

If a person operating a motor vehicle after suspension or revocation of a license to operate or the right to operate a motor vehicle under the first or second paragraphs of this section, is found by the registrar to have operated a vehicle registered to another in violation of said suspension or revocation, the registrar shall, after hearing, revoke the certificate of registration of said motor vehicle for up to thirty days. Pursuant to said hearing, the certificate of registration and the number plates shall be immediately surrendered to the registrar.

 

[ColdDayInHell]

So, basically you're amused and happy when law-obiding people are angry about how people like yourself make a living by enforcing laws that take away peoples constitutional rights?

This.

 

[x-frog-22]

Lets start from here
http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXIV/Chapter90/Section23

Section 23. Any person convicted of operating a motor vehicle after his license to operate has been suspended or revoked, or after notice of the suspension or revocation of his right to operate a motor vehicle without a license has been issued by the registrar and received by such person or by his agent or employer, and prior to the restoration of such license or right to operate or to the issuance to him of a new license to operate, and any person convicted of operating or causing or permitting any other person to operate a motor vehicle after the certificate of registration for such vehicle has been suspended or revoked and prior to the restoration of such registration or to the issuance of a new certificate of registration for such vehicle, or whoever exhibits to an officer authorized to make arrests, when requested by said officer to show his license, a license issued to another person with intent to conceal his identity, shall, except as provided by section twenty-eight of chapter two hundred and sixty-six, be punished for a first offence by a fine of not less than five hundred nor more than one thousand dollars or by imprisonment for not more than ten days, or both, and for any subsequent offence by imprisonment for not less than sixty days nor more than one year, and any person who attaches or permits to be attached to a motor vehicle or trailer a number plate assigned to another motor vehicle or trailer, or who obscures or permits to be obscured the figures on any number plate attached to any motor vehicle or trailer, or who fails to display on a motor vehicle or trailer the number plate and the register number duly issued therefor, with intent to conceal the identity of such motor vehicle or trailer, shall be punished by a fine of not more than one hundred dollars or by imprisonment for not more than ten days, or both. Any person convicted of operating a motor vehicle after his license to operate has been revoked by reason of his having been found to be an habitual traffic offender, as provided in section twenty-two F, or after notice of such revocation of his right to operate a motor vehicle without a license has been issued by the registrar and received by such person or by his agent or employer, and prior to the restoration of such license or right to operate or the issuance to him of a new license to operate shall be punished by a fine of not less than five hundred nor more than five thousand dollars or by imprisonment for not more than two years, or both. In no case shall a person be prosecuted for operating after suspension or revocation of a license upon a failure to pay an administrative reinstatement fee without a prior written notice from the registrar mandating payment thereof.

Notwithstanding the preceding paragraph or any other general or special law to the contrary, whoever has not been previously found responsible for or convicted of, or against whom a finding of delinquency or a finding of sufficient facts to support a conviction has not been rendered on, a complaint charging a violation of operating a motor vehicle after his license to operate has been suspended or revoked, or after notice of the suspension or revocation of his right to operate a motor vehicle without a license has been issued by the registrar and received by such person or by his agent or employer, and prior to the restoration of such license or right to operate or to the issuance to him of a new license to operate shall be punished by a fine of not more than $500. This paragraph shall not apply to any person who is charged with operating a motor vehicle after his license to operate has been suspended or revoked pursuant to a violation of paragraph (a) of subdivision (1) of section 24, or section 24D, 24E, 24G, 24L or 24N of this chapter, subsection (a) of section 8 or section 8A or 8B of chapter 90B, section 8, 9 or 11 of chapter 90F or after notice of such suspension or revocation of his right to operate a motor vehicle without a license has been issued and received by such person or by his agent or employer, and prior to the restoration of such license or right to operate or the issuance to him of a new license or right to operate because of any such violation.

Any person convicted of operating a motor vehicle after his license to operate has been suspended or revoked pursuant to a violation of paragraph (a) of subdivision (1) of section twenty-four, or pursuant to section twenty-four D, twenty-four E, twenty-four G, twenty-four L, or twenty-four N of this chapter, or pursuant to subsection (a) of section eight, or pursuant to a violation of section eight A or section eight B of chapter ninety B, or pursuant to a violation of section 8, 9 or 11 of chapter ninety F, or after notice of such suspension or revocation of his right to operate a motor vehicle without a license has been issued and received by such person or by his agent or employer, and prior to the restoration of such license or right to operate or the issuance to him of a new license to operate shall be punished by a fine of not less than one thousand nor more than ten thousand dollars and by imprisonment in a house of correction for not less than sixty days and not more than two and one-half years; provided, however, that the sentence of imprisonment imposed upon such person shall not be reduced to less than sixty days, nor suspended, nor shall any such person be eligible for probation, parole, or furlough or receive any deduction from his sentence for good conduct until he shall have served sixty days of such sentence; provided, further, that the commissioner of correction may, on the recommendation of the warden, superintendent or other person in charge of a correctional institution, or of the administrator of a county correctional institution, grant to an offender committed under this paragraph a temporary release in the custody of an officer of such institution for the following purposes only: to attend the funeral of a relative; to visit a critically ill relative; to obtain emergency medical or psychiatric services unavailable at said institution; or to engage in employment pursuant to a work release program. The provisions of section eighty-seven of chapter two hundred and seventy-six shall not apply to any person charged with a violation of this paragraph. Prosecutions commenced under this paragraph shall not be placed on file or continued without a finding.

Whoever operates a motor vehicle in violation of paragraph (a) of subdivision (1) of section 24, sections 24G or 24L, subsection (a) of section 8 of chapter 90B, sections 8A or 8B of chapter 90B or section 131/2 of chapter 265, while his license or right to operate has been suspended or revoked, or after notice of such suspension or revocation of his right to operate a motor vehicle has been issued and received by such person or by his agent or employer, and prior to the restoration of such license or right to operate or the issuance to him of a new license or right to operate, pursuant to paragraph (a) of subdivision (1) of section 24, sections 24G or 24L, subsection (a) of section 8 of chapter 90B, sections 8A or 8B of chapter 90B or section 131/2 of chapter 265 shall be punished by a fine of not less than $2,500 nor more than $10,000 and by imprisonment in a house of correction for a mandatory period of not less than 1 year and not more than 21/2 years, with said sentence to be served consecutively to and not concurrent with any other sentence or penalty. Such sentence shall not be suspended, nor shall any such person be eligible for probation, parole, or furlough or receive any deduction from his sentence for good conduct until he shall have served said 1 year of such sentence; provided, however, that the commissioner of correction may, on the recommendation of the warden, superintendent or other person in charge of a correctional institution, or of the administrator of a county correctional institution, grant to an offender committed under this paragraph a temporary release in the custody of an officer of such institution only to obtain emergency medical or psychiatric services unavailable at said institution or to engage in employment pursuant to a work release program. Section 87 of chapter 276 shall not apply to any person charged with a violation of this paragraph. Prosecutions commenced under this paragraph shall not be placed on file or continued without a finding.

A certificate of the registrar or his authorized agent that a license or right to operate motor vehicles or a certificate of registration of a motor vehicle has not been restored or that the registrar has not issued a new license so to operate to the defendant or a new certificate of registration for a motor vehicle the registration whereof has been revoked, shall be admissible as evidence in any court of the commonwealth to prove the facts certified to therein, in any prosecution hereunder wherein such facts are material. A certificate of a clerk of court that a person’s license or right to operate a motor vehicle was suspended for a specified period shall be admissible as prima facie evidence in any court of the commonwealth to prove the facts certified to therein in any prosecution commenced under this section.

Upon a conviction of operating after suspension or revocation of license or right to operate under the first paragraph, the registrar shall extend said suspension or revocation for an additional sixty days. Upon a conviction of operating after suspension or revocation of license or right to operate under the second paragraph, the registrar shall extend said suspension or revocation for an additional year.

If a person operating a motor vehicle after suspension or revocation of a license to operate or the right to operate a motor vehicle under the first or second paragraphs of this section, is found by the registrar to have operated a vehicle registered to another in violation of said suspension or revocation, the registrar shall, after hearing, revoke the certificate of registration of said motor vehicle for up to thirty days. Pursuant to said hearing, the certificate of registration and the number plates shall be immediately surrendered to the registrar.

W.T.F.

 

[TayNinh_66]

So, basically you're amused and happy when law-obiding people are angry about how people like yourself make a living by enforcing laws that take away peoples constitutional rights?

US Supreme Court has consistently held that there is a motor vehicle exception to the 4th amendment. i.e. There is no constitutional right against a warrantless search of a motor vehicle if a cop has probable cause that it contains contraband. The cops actions are subject to review by the courts. Thats how the justice system in this country works.

 

[cyberlogicx]

US Supreme Court has consistently held that there is a motor vehicle exception to the 4th amendment. i.e. There is no constitutional right against a warrantless search of a motor vehicle if a cop has probable cause that it contains contraband. The cops actions are subject to review by the courts. Thats how the justice system in this country works.

If I were a cop, I would be arresting every single person who has a first aid kit in there truck. One could use the ammonium nitrate in it, mix it with some diesel from the tank and make a bomb. It would make all the nanny state lovers extremely happy, knowing how safe I was making the world.

 

[BOBKATT]

US Supreme Court has consistently held that there is a motor vehicle exception to the 4th amendment. i.e. There is no constitutional right against a warrantless search of a motor vehicle if a cop has probable cause that it contains contraband. The cops actions are subject to review by the courts. Thats how the justice system in this country works.

Thanks for pointing out what everyone already knows. A holster does not constitute contraband. Is there anything else that you can add?

 

[Deer Slayer]

This reminds me of the one in Wareham and the guy who had his guns seized came on here and posted a bunch of trolling crap on peoples visitor message section. No need to worry, in 10 years this guy will drop in here

 

[50 BMG]

This all happened because of a holster, not anything else. They don't fool me. Give me a break. It could have been a warning for all we know, but no, as soon as they see a holster, they immediately go "full retard"

Just try this, you are a LEO, you stop a motor vehicle, you ask for license and registration, "duh sorry I don't have it I left it at home". The LEO then runs your name in DCJIS. The drivers record comes back with a rap sheet which takes up three screens on your monitor. You then observe a holster.
1. You say have a nice day and go about your business

2. You see a holster and ask, why do you have the holster sir, are you armed, yes officer, bang, I am.

3. Its easy to pass judgement without knowing all of the conversation that occurred or what led up to the search. Also when do newspapers in this state ever get the facts straight on anything let alone a firearms case.

Also I am not sure this story is true. I mean really, one of the guys was from Cambridge, no way a moon bat would have a firearm. I think the story is false


p.s. folks who have been on this forum since 2007 and 2008 cant cough up 21 bucks to help support NES????????

 

[TayNinh_66]

This all happened because of a holster, not anything else. They don't fool me. Give me a break. It could have been a warning for all we know, but no, as soon as they see a holster, they immediately go "full retard"

Initially, I agreed, all sounded to convenient. Just happened to see a holster???

But as more info is released, the 18 year old kid in back says the passenger threw the guns in back as soon as the blue lights went on, the passenger says the kid in back stole them all and then lawyered up (didn't explain how two got into the center console.) Of course I have never stuck anything under a seat when the blue lights went on behind me, but I can see how a holster might have fallen off with guns being tossed around in a panic. It seems like the cops "reasonable suspicion" was probably justified and will survive the inevitable court challenge.

One of the reasons I carry is to defend myself from punks with 9's who decide they want my car or my cash. Thanks to Somerville PD for taking 3 punks off the street.

 

[TayNinh_66]

If I were a cop, I would be arresting every single person who has a first aid kit in there truck. One could use the ammonium nitrate in it, mix it with some diesel from the tank and make a bomb. It would make all the nanny state lovers extremely happy, knowing how safe I was making the world.

I sure hope TSA is checking for first aid kits at Logan

 

[mpd61]

So, basically you're amused and happy when law-obiding people are angry about how people like yourself make a living by enforcing laws that take away peoples constitutional rights?

Well since you asked...Basically I'm sickened when law-abiding people like you, get "angry" at "people like me" who make a living "taking away peoples constitutional rights". Let me be the first to apologize sincerely to you for whatever happened to make you this angry at me for swearing to defend the constitution, first serving in the U.S. Military, and then again as a police officer. You certainly might be surprised to find we could be alike in our patriotism, politics, and fervor to defend the constitution. For you to allude that all cops are habitually violating everyones rights during traffic stops based on this particular incident is disheartening to say the least. When FELONS are discovered, arrested, and stolen firearms recovered due to plain view doctrine, I'd call that a good thing. Apparently I'm just a biased idiot who is "amused" by infriging on everybody's civil liberties.

 

[TayNinh_66]

Well since you asked...Basically I'm sickened when law-abiding people like you, get "angry" at "people like me" who make a living "taking away peoples constitutional rights". Let me be the first to apologize sincerely to you for whatever happened to make you this angry at me for swearing to defend the constitution, first serving in the U.S. Military, and then again as a police officer. You certainly might be surprised to find we could be alike in our patriotism, politics, and fervor to defend the constitution. For you to allude that all cops are habitually violating everyones rights during traffic stops based on this particular incident is disheartening to say the least. When FELONS are discovered, arrested, and stolen firearms recovered due to plain view doctrine, I'd call that a good thing. Apparently I'm just a biased idiot who is "amused" by infriging on everybody's civil liberties.

++1++ Well Spoken. (Even though you could demonstrate a little more sympathy for the poor felons who had their rights to hide stolen weapons trampled upon by Somerville PD.)

 

[xtry51]

Well since you asked...Basically I'm sickened when law-abiding people like you, get "angry" at "people like me" who make a living "taking away peoples constitutional rights". Let me be the first to apologize sincerely to you for whatever happened to make you this angry at me for swearing to defend the constitution, first serving in the U.S. Military, and then again as a police officer. You certainly might be surprised to find we could be alike in our patriotism, politics, and fervor to defend the constitution. For you to allude that all cops are habitually violating everyones rights during traffic stops based on this particular incident is disheartening to say the least. When FELONS are discovered, arrested, and stolen firearms recovered due to plain view doctrine, I'd call that a good thing. Apparently I'm just a biased idiot who is "amused" by infriging on everybody's civil liberties.

Just because they turnout to be felons doesn't excuse abusing power. I'd rather they go free than give the cops a pass on a bad search.

Oh, and I don't think you should need a license to drive, need a license to own a gun, or have speed limits.

So yeah, I think pretty much this whole thing is BS. The ends do not justify the means.

 

[BOBKATT]

For you to allude that all cops are habitually violating everyones rights during traffic stops based on this particular incident is disheartening to say the least. When FELONS are discovered, arrested, and stolen firearms recovered due to plain view doctrine, I'd call that a good thing. Apparently I'm just a biased idiot who is "amused" by infriging on everybody's civil liberties.

I've made the claim that every cop in MA makes a living by enforcing unconstitutional rights. I've made that argument and explained it in adequate detail. Not everyone agrees. But, I'm not going to argue it again here. The fact is, you accept money to enforce laws that put people behind bars for doing things that you do, and for doing things that everyone has the right to do. I think you're a spineless thug for doing that. And, that is why I decided against being a cop in MA. That is all I have to say.

 

[xtry51]

I've made the claim that every cop in MA makes a living by enforcing unconstitutional rights. I've made that argument and explained it in adequate detail. Not everyone agrees. But, I'm not going to argue it again here. The fact is, you accept money to enforce laws that put people behind bars for doing things that you do, and for doing things that everyone has the right to do. I think you're a spineless thug for doing that. And, that is why I decided against being a cop in MA. That is all I have to say.

Thats a decent summation.

I'll add every time you look down and are speeding, remember That's part of the reason why we hate you.

 

[economist]

Well since you asked...Basically I'm sickened when law-abiding people like you, get "angry" at "people like me" who make a living "taking away peoples constitutional rights". Let me be the first to apologize sincerely to you for whatever happened to make you this angry at me for swearing to defend the constitution, first serving in the U.S. Military, and then again as a police officer. You certainly might be surprised to find we could be alike in our patriotism, politics, and fervor to defend the constitution. For you to allude that all cops are habitually violating everyones rights during traffic stops based on this particular incident is disheartening to say the least. When FELONS are discovered, arrested, and stolen firearms recovered due to plain view doctrine, I'd call that a good thing. Apparently I'm just a biased idiot who is "amused" by infriging on everybody's civil liberties.

"Sickened". Really? You have a job that is feared by most, despised by some. If you wanted to be loved you should have been a fireman. The public loves those guys.

The big picture here is that we routinely see abuse of power, lying to cover the thin blue line, houses invaded, dogs shot, and liberties violated by a profession that looks more like a standing military than a civilian police force. We see this and some of us conclude that criminals are less of a threat than the police. Not all police are bad --- we know that. But a non-trivial portion are, and little appears to be done to address this. So, many see two evils: (1) a police state and (2) criminals. Unfortunately, we have to choose. I'll take the criminals.

 

[Gillham]

A NRA sticker is reason for probable cause on searching a car.. right?

 

[cyberlogicx]

A NRA sticker is reason for probable cause on searching a car.. right?

Under Nanny State mentality, yes.

 

[TayNinh_66]

A cop posted an opinion and the comments have been running "you're a spineless thug," "we hate you," and "I'll take the criminals." Nice, polite, considerate, and respectful group we have here. Good to know we are all supporting each other and pulling together for better laws and regulations.

 

[SamH]

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[xtry51]

A cop posted an opinion and the comments have been running "you're a spineless thug," "we hate you," and "I'll take the criminals." Nice, polite, considerate, and respectful group we have here. Good to know we are all supporting each other and pulling together for better laws and regulations.

We don't want better laws and regulations. We want less of them. A lot less.

I have no interest whatsoever in supporting police in their current form. So, I support those comments 100%.

 

[weekendracer]

as well as receiving stolen property over $250, the Middlesex District Attorney said.

Probably a lot of stuff in the vehicle. But the empty holster is pretty scary in and of itself.

 

[shadowr434]

This.

What a load of shit. So even if I have the proper license to carry, a holster in my back seat will be probable cause for a search?? WTF Nazi America, take it easy.


Sent from my carbon covered iPhone

Not Nazi America,Nazi Massachusetts.

 

[MisterHappy]

A cop posted an opinion and the comments have been running "you're a spineless thug," "we hate you," and "I'll take the criminals." Nice, polite, considerate, and respectful group we have here. Good to know we are all supporting each other and pulling together for better laws and regulations.

the opinion was a bunch of quotes that were not to his liking, followed by sarcastic laughter, and "thanks for the support."

That's not how to get support.


If a LEO wants to show that he's one of the people, and not part of the Blue Wall of Silence....I'm sure that a post or two in the thread about the pistol-whip/ND/Coverup incident will be present.

THAT'S how you get support!

 

[50 BMG]

We don't want better laws and regulations. We want less of them. A lot less.

I have no interest whatsoever in supporting police in their current form. So, I support those comments 100%.

Whats this we S*^&. I don't remember electing or appointing you to speak for the rest of us here. We all have opinions and one would hope that we could express them in a constructive way. But when I see folks saying "we" you assume you speak for me, you don't.

This has turned into yet another LEO bashing thread...

 

[50 BMG]

I've made the claim that every cop in MA makes a living by enforcing unconstitutional rights. I've made that argument and explained it in adequate detail. Not everyone agrees. But, I'm not going to argue it again here. The fact is, you accept money to enforce laws that put people behind bars for doing things that you do, and for doing things that everyone has the right to do. I think you're a spineless thug for doing that. And, that is why I decided against being a cop in MA. That is all I have to say.

Since you can generalize about LEO that they all spineless thugs, I will take this opportunity to make another observation.
There are those leeches who join a shooters forum, post their generalized statements about LEO but cant cough up 21 bucks to support NES. So if I were to say I think that 100% of you folks who don't join NES are leeches then its OK?????? No its not.....it is however as ridiculous as your reasoning that all LEOs are spineless thugs. . Have a nice day

 

[pastera]

Given the facts of driving with a suspended license, the vehicle would be searched even if the holster was not in plain view.

Why the other occupants were charged with possessing the same items I don't know. If I have an item under my direct control, how can a second person have it also? As long as the passengers did not actively possess the guns they could argue that the driver was in possession and they believed he possessed legally.

A lot of fail in this one, might just be reporting but jacking up three people on the same possession charge seems a little much. They may all be dirtbags but justice should be blind and fair for all.

 

[Boman]

that's what I want to know- How is this good? Vilifying firearms and claiming victory by "getting them off of the street" is a good thing?

Sure some were stolen. That's bad. And I'm sure these guys were douches. But in being douches they hurt us by making guns look evil and bad and not anything anyone should own.

We lose.

Disagree.

These people are obvious criminals. IE: 2 of the guns where stolen. They do not share the same beliefs as most of us.

 

[Boman]

Given the facts of driving with a suspended license, the vehicle would be searched even if the holster was not in plain view.

Why the other occupants were charged with possessing the same items I don't know. If I have an item under my direct control, how can a second person have it also? As long as the passengers did not actively possess the guns they could argue that the driver was in possession and they believed he possessed legally.

A lot of fail in this one, might just be reporting but jacking up three people on the same possession charge seems a little much. They may all be dirtbags but justice should be blind and fair for all.

I am willing to bet nobody fessed up to actually "owned" the stolen guns. Thus the blanket arrest.

 

[ColdDayInHell]

Not Nazi America,Nazi Massachusetts.

Sorry, that's what I meant. As I drive across the MA border and into NH, I feel the weight being lifted off my shoulders and the foot off my nuts.


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