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GunControl in 2021 and How to frame your argument and shame these people

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Alright, as you all well know everything is going full retard right now and the "Blue Wave" and its intent in full on ramming anything through no matter what with no lube regardless of who gets hurt by the poorly thought out legislation in its wake, just like spacey Joe's racist 94 crime laws that Kamala unapologetically built her career on enforcing.

Its important for you toto fully realize what you are really up against now in 2021 and shape your arguments and language to fit it

Over the last 4-8 years I have watched this rift between "Red team vs Blue team" go from simple disagreements of neighbors opinions expand into a veritable chasm of "Us vs Them" mentality with communication between the sides basically being non existent. "Team Blue" and self proclaimed progressives no longer see "Team Red" as being of the same tribe, and that is just outright dangerous at times, especially when it starts making our civil rights something only one side utilizes or appreciates.

You have essentially been cast out of their conversation. Shunned and pushed away because that's what the tribe has told them to do. To shun you for your stances rather than try to understand why you have them. They do not care about 'Muh freedom'. They do not care about the idea of 'government oppression' in regards to the 2A because 'Now... Now they're in charge.. They are good and virtuous through nothing more than their principles, and NOW is the time they will get what they want done'... Hence all these bills getting rammed through no lube style
These people don't see you as a caring human being any longer. They don't think you care about peoples suffering or that you want to make things better for others... You defending the 2A automatically in their minds means you somehow fantasize about hurting others or getting to use your firearm against someone someday. They think you are selfish and do not care about others or bettering society. They've dehumanized you and your politics to the point that they can throw around the word "Nazi" or "Racist" to do so with a ease, so much so that is a disservice to those who have genuinely suffered from either..
They've weaponized their language to the point that there simply is no more room for simple talk if we use the same old tired arguments, and anyone who expresses views that line up in any way with what they see as the "Others" is quickly demonized and stamped our regardless of its realistic or historical merit...

They now see themselves as the 'We Love and Care about Others' tribe, when in cold harsh reality it is nothing more than a thin veneer

And so I say you should to change your arguments
The only way you are ever going to combat these people now is to make them second guess themselves, their ideas, and their own view of their self virtue.
You should to Shame them the same way they do, Plain and simple...
The argument should now be that Gun control, and the Democrats and many self proclaimed Liberal Progressives endless efforts of pouring funds into the pointless goals they do, is nothing more than 'pat them selves on the back' efforts to say " we did something" while actually accomplishing noting, and it is racist and a criminal disservice to society as a whole.
It takes funds and much needed efforts away from mental health research and disproportionately effects socioeconomically challenged areas that are historically populated by minorities, outright stripping them of the their natural right to self defense.
It is morally reprehensible to the point that is outright criminal, and they need to have their weaponized ignorance thrown right back in their face.
You wont be well liked, but you will likely disarm them and leave them with nowhere to do go but question their own ideas and who they really hurt

Drunken FB Bitching from last night.
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2A. That's why.
12 years ago yes, this argument would have been fine, but now they do not see the 2A as a Civil Right/Natural right, and see such a stance as selfish and uncaring about others or society. You're fighting brainwashing here.
The only way you will get such people to see the 2A as valuable to society and people is to point out things like how gun control disproportionately is used to disarm those in Socioeconomically impacted metropolitan high crime areas who are predominantly populated by minorities. Thus gun control takes funds away that would be better used towards funding schools and bettering education in these areas, and is racist as a result given how said laws are also disproportionately used to send them to jail for just trying to survive in many cases. It's criminal and should be looked at as such. And again likewise concerning mental health treatment being so ignored in this country while they seek to cover it up with a band-aid

Again, Shame these f***ing people. They deserve it
Using their own weaponized language tactics against them is the only way you will win at this point
 
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What makes ya think one cant accomplish both?
I used to debate antis among Chinese Americans till I was blue in the face, then I got an instructor certificate and have since helped almost 100 students get licensed. Once they realized the amount of hoops they have to jump through and the amount of restrictions Mass puts on their freedom they change profoundly.
 
Remind them that laws do not stop crimes. If they did, the one against 'assault' is all we'd have ever needed.

Laws only define what .gov can do if someone BREAKS said laws.

There are half a billion guns in this country. The cow is out of the frickin' barn.

NO more "gun laws" need to be created. Not assault weapons bans. Not waiting periods. Not magazine limits. None of them do a thing to deter crime.

What might make a small difference is actually enforcing the laws we have. Put criminals in jail for a long time, and maybe a few others will re-think their actions if they know a similar fate awaits them.
 
You lost me at “You need to...”, no, I don’t, and “Facebook”.

How about this, f*** FB, Twitter, or any other kind of socialist media, delete it, all you’re doing is feeding the enemy intel machine.

I’m not arguing anything with these f***ing morons, not worth my time.
 
Alright, as you all well know everything is going full retard right now and the "Blue Wave" and its intent in full on ramming anything through no matter what with no lube regardless of who gets hurt by the poorly thought out legislation in its wake, just like spacey Joe's racist 94 crime laws that Kamala unapologetically built her career on enforcing.

You need to fully realize what you are really up against now in 2021 and shape your arguments and language to fit it

Over the last 4-8 years I have watched this rift between "Red team vs Blue team" go from simple disagreements of neighbors opinions expand into a veritable chasm of "Us vs Them" mentality with communication between the sides basically being non existent. "Team Blue" and self proclaimed progressives no longer see "Team Red" as being of the same tribe, and that is just outright dangerous at times, especially when it starts making our civil rights something only one side utilizes or appreciates.

You have essentially been cast out of their conversation. Shunned and pushed away because that's what the tribe has told them to do. To shun you for your stances rather than try to understand why you have them. They do not care about 'Muh freedom'. They do not care about the idea of 'government oppression' in regards to the 2A because 'Now... Now they're in charge.. They are good and virtuous through nothing more than their principles, and NOW is the time they will get what they want done'... Hence all these bills getting rammed through no lube style
These people don't see you as a caring human being any longer. They don't think you care about peoples suffering or that you want to make things better for others... You defending the 2A automatically in their minds means you somehow fantasize about hurting others or getting to use your firearm against someone someday. They think you are selfish and do not care about others or bettering society. They've dehumanized you and your politics to the point that they can throw around the word "Nazi" or "Racist" to do so with a ease, so much so that is a disservice to those who have genuinely suffered from either..
They've weaponized their language to the point that there simply is no more room for simple talk if we use the same old tired arguments, and anyone who expresses views that line up in any way with what they see as the "Others" is quickly demonized and stamped our regardless of its realistic or historical merit...

They now see themselves as the 'We Love and Care about Others' tribe, when in cold harsh reality it is nothing more than a thin veneer

And so I say you need to change your arguments
The only way you are ever going to combat these people now is to make them second guess themselves, their ideas, and their own view of their self virtue.
You need to Shame them the same way they do, Plain and simple...
The argument needs to me now that Gun control, and the Democrats and many self proclaimed Liberal Progressives endless efforts of pouring funds into the pointless goals they do, is nothing more than 'pat them selves on the back' efforts to say " we did something" while actually accomplishing noting, and it is racist and a criminal disservice to society as a whole.
It takes funds and much needed efforts away from mental health research and disproportionately effects socioeconomically challenged areas that are historically populated by minorities, outright stripping them of the their natural right to self defense.
It is morally reprehensible to the point that is outright criminal, and they need to have their weaponized ignorance thrown right back in their face.
You wont be well liked, but you will likely disarm them and leave them with nowhere to do go but question their own ideas and who they really hurt

Drunken FB Bitching from last night.
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Ever take a gander at twitter sometimes? There are people who have quite literally no idea or for that matter have ever seen a firearm in real life and yet....On the internet and anonymously these same people can become experts. I've talked to people at work who say things 'why do you aim for the major organs? Why can't you just shoot someone in the foot?'. You see they see Arnold Schwarzennegger movies and they think that's what real life looks like. So then when they see a cop do a mag dump to stop someone they think "what a blood thirst killer".

I've found that best weapon against liberals is simple. Be smarter than them and it isn't hard.
 
Alright, as you all well know everything is going full retard right now and the "Blue Wave" and its intent in full on ramming anything through no matter what with no lube regardless of who gets hurt by the poorly thought out legislation in its wake, just like spacey Joe's racist 94 crime laws that Kamala unapologetically built her career on enforcing.

You need to fully realize what you are really up against now in 2021 and shape your arguments and language to fit it

Over the last 4-8 years I have watched this rift between "Red team vs Blue team" go from simple disagreements of neighbors opinions expand into a veritable chasm of "Us vs Them" mentality with communication between the sides basically being non existent. "Team Blue" and self proclaimed progressives no longer see "Team Red" as being of the same tribe, and that is just outright dangerous at times, especially when it starts making our civil rights something only one side utilizes or appreciates.

You have essentially been cast out of their conversation. Shunned and pushed away because that's what the tribe has told them to do. To shun you for your stances rather than try to understand why you have them. They do not care about 'Muh freedom'. They do not care about the idea of 'government oppression' in regards to the 2A because 'Now... Now they're in charge.. They are good and virtuous through nothing more than their principles, and NOW is the time they will get what they want done'... Hence all these bills getting rammed through no lube style
These people don't see you as a caring human being any longer. They don't think you care about peoples suffering or that you want to make things better for others... You defending the 2A automatically in their minds means you somehow fantasize about hurting others or getting to use your firearm against someone someday. They think you are selfish and do not care about others or bettering society. They've dehumanized you and your politics to the point that they can throw around the word "Nazi" or "Racist" to do so with a ease, so much so that is a disservice to those who have genuinely suffered from either..
They've weaponized their language to the point that there simply is no more room for simple talk if we use the same old tired arguments, and anyone who expresses views that line up in any way with what they see as the "Others" is quickly demonized and stamped our regardless of its realistic or historical merit...

They now see themselves as the 'We Love and Care about Others' tribe, when in cold harsh reality it is nothing more than a thin veneer

And so I say you need to change your arguments
The only way you are ever going to combat these people now is to make them second guess themselves, their ideas, and their own view of their self virtue.
You need to Shame them the same way they do, Plain and simple...
The argument needs to me now that Gun control, and the Democrats and many self proclaimed Liberal Progressives endless efforts of pouring funds into the pointless goals they do, is nothing more than 'pat them selves on the back' efforts to say " we did something" while actually accomplishing noting, and it is racist and a criminal disservice to society as a whole.
It takes funds and much needed efforts away from mental health research and disproportionately effects socioeconomically challenged areas that are historically populated by minorities, outright stripping them of the their natural right to self defense.
It is morally reprehensible to the point that is outright criminal, and they need to have their weaponized ignorance thrown right back in their face.
You wont be well liked, but you will likely disarm them and leave them with nowhere to do go but question their own ideas and who they really hurt

Drunken FB Bitching from last night.
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Meh.

Arguing on Facebook is stupid.

Posting a thread about a FB argument is stupid.

Being on NES since 2011 and only having 347 posts is unacceptable.

Spend a little more time reading NES and you will see this same topic has been covered several times, usually by people that get upset at a FB comment.
 
Meh.

Arguing on Facebook is stupid.

Posting a thread about a FB argument is stupid.

Being on NES since 2011 and only having 347 posts is unacceptable.

Spend a little more time reading NES and you will see this same topic has been covered several times, usually by people that get upset at a FB comment.
A little off-topic but you should really bring your old avatar back, bro.
 
This is the crap my wife's cousin sends me:

"You want originalism/history here is originalism/history: “English law restricted public firearm possession as early as the thirteenth century.” The 13th Century! From yesterday’s 9th Cir. Decision holding the 2nd Amend. does not protect open carry: https://t.co/FRmwudzVvm "

my reply:

"That is why we kicked England to the curb and instituted a new Constitution with a specific Bill of Rights to protect against that."


and:

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You lost me at “You need to...”, no, I don’t, and “Facebook”.

How about this, f*** FB, Twitter, or any other kind of socialist media, delete it, all you’re doing is feeding the enemy intel machine.

I’m not arguing anything with these f***ing morons, not worth my time.
FIFY sweetheart
As much as I hate FB and Twitter etc... The sad reality is that it and others like it are quickly becoming a monopoly on how modern national and global social communications work, and the ideas most prevalent on those, whether right or not are likely what is going to sway public opinion. Its why these companies are so dangerous frankly, and is exactly why its important to fight against them on 1A grounds regardless of them being "private" companies.
Turn away and ignore them at your own peril
 
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I hate to say, but he’s right. The “f*** you, 2A Rah!, you’re a communist” attitude only bolsters their resolve. Using a coherent, logical argument framed in the correct manor is much more effective. While it almost certainly won’t work on the shit head your having the argument with, others may, read/see/hear it and form a new opinion or at least think for themselves. Its how I brought four new gun owners to the table in the past 8 months.
 
Should we give up our sharp kitchen knives? You could do far more damage in some settings with a knife, and if it will save just one life no one should have them. You can call the police social worker and they will come over and cut your dinner for you
 
FIFY sweetheart
As much as I hate FB and Twitter etc... The sad reality is that it and others like it are quickly becoming a monopoly on how modern national and global social communications work, and the ideas most prevalent on those, whether right or not are likely what is going to sway public opinion. Its why these companies are so dangerous frankly, and is exactly why its important to fight against them on 1A grounds regardless of them being "private" companies.
Turn away and ignore them at your own peril


No. Just no.

Arguing with people on Faceplant is an exercise in futility. I see it every now and then and avoid it like the plague.

Life is far too short to waste on moonbats lurking on social media.
 
Two of my fav talking points-

Lib says - Guns were made for killing people. I respond - Some people need to be killed.

Lib says - So your stuff is more valuable than someone's life? I respond - Yep

Of course I'm not winning hearts and minds. An argument does not exist that will change a progressives mind. I'd rather raise their blood pressure. I'll chuckle when one of those little vessels in their brain pops😏
 
This is what we're up against. There was a time we would be teaching our kids to fight back with every last breath, instead they are told the must curl up, cower and wait for the psycho to pass them by or get killed. Our progeny is being indoctrinated to be docile and compliant. The left calls this "coping". Coping is when you have to deal with something you cannot control. A supply of victims to provide a body count and promote an agenda. Eggs for their omelet.

Evil cannot be appeased, it must be defeated.
 
You lost me at “You need to...”, no, I don’t, and “Facebook”.

How about this, f*** FB, Twitter, or any other kind of socialist media, delete it, all you’re doing is feeding the enemy intel machine.

I’m not arguing anything with these f***ing morons, not worth my time.
They can all f*ck themselves with a Jagdkommando
 
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