Gun-toting "Porcupine Fest" to rock NH this June

[DadaOrwell]

Guns, games and government-free weddings are expected to be among the highlights as Earth's most successful liberty movement gathers at a New Hampshire campground this June.

Porcupine Freedom Fest (http://Porcfest.com) is a now-legendary annual meetup of "Free Staters," people who pledge they will move to New Hampshire for more liberty.

Over ten thousand of these freedom activists are pledged to make the migration, and hundreds of them show up every summer for the event. This year, like most years, they're holding it at the breathtaking Rogers Campground in Lancaster.

Each "liberty summer," they conduct concerts, hold activism workshops reminiscent of the civil rights era, and openly wear enough firearms to give the entire state of Massachusetts a coronary.

But this isn't the Bay State. It's the Live Free or Die State, the place where the dimming lights of American liberty still shine brightest. And there is no better opportunity to experience new hampshire's liberty culture on full display.

Right-wing and left-wing causes merge as gay dance parties rage side-by-side with evangelical homeschoolers and Republican speechifying. Raves, drug-loving hippies and shooting range expeditionists all seem to be on the same side at this week-long event...where activists tend to divide on only one question: Whether to even bother with traditional politics.

Officially scheduled events include speeches by 2004 presidential nominee Michael Badnarik, Stefan Molyneux of Freedomain Radio and legal-system guru Marc Stevens of Adventures in Legal Land

There's Buzz's Big Gay Dance Party, presumably a good deal of straight dancing too, sporting events, a water-slide and another item you probably won't want to miss, "The Love Shack's Sexy Antebellum Calendar Shoot."

But if past Porcupine Fests are any indication, the event will be more kid-friendly than you might think. It's usually the time and place a freedom-family looks forward to more than any other.

For the official schedule and registration, visit http://www.porcfest.com
For unofficial updates, chatter and planning, visit http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=148847588628

 

[Twigg]

Can "Gay dance party", "drug loving hippies" and "Kid friendly" really be used in the same post ?

I have nothing against gay folks but I don't care to expose my child to what you're describing.

 

[RadiCS]

Can "Gay dance party", "drug loving hippies" and "Kid friendly" really be used in the same post ?

I have nothing against gay folks but I don't care to expose my child to what you're describing.

I thought the same thing.

 

[Ham Slam]

Make sure you guys have your cameras ready, that way if any police show up you guys can act like a bunch of 14 year old spoiled brats and post it on the internet.

 

[Brin747]

Can "Gay dance party", "drug loving hippies" and "Kid friendly" really be used in the same post ?

I have nothing against gay folks but I don't care to expose my child to what you're describing.

This...

 

[Zappa]

Can "Gay dance party", "drug loving hippies" and "Kid friendly" really be used in the same post ?

I have nothing against gay folks but I don't care to expose my child to what you're describing.

 

[JackDaniels]

If your kids aren't gay, they're not going to go gay because they see gay people. Otherwise, gays would go straight if they saw straight people.

But, you might want to keep them away from the drug loving hippies.

Why do they have to make this into a kids event? There are plenty of freedom loving activities that kids shouldn't be involved in. And, there isn't anything wrong with that.

 

[Twigg]

If your kids aren't gay, they're not going to go gay because they see gay people.

Never said or implied anything of the like.

You're free to take your kids there if you choose.

 

[GunGrey]

I'm amased these things can organize "Big Gay Dance Parties"

 

[dwarven1]

Can "Gay dance party", "drug loving hippies" and "Kid friendly" really be used in the same post ?

I have nothing against gay folks but I don't care to expose my child to what you're describing.

I think he got a little carried away with his rhetoric. From his website I find that the ONLY two mentions of gays and drugs are these:

New This Year!

* Buzz's Big Gay Dance Party: A casual afternoon do-drop-in to help promote and raise the roof for the Outright Libertarians of New Hampshire (Site 110).


FRIDAY, JUNE 25:

* Old School Goes to Pot: Don't miss this fun debate between "civil disobedience marijuana activist" Rich Paul, and "working within the system" Matt Simon as they square off to debate the different approaches to ending the prohibition of marijuana (2-3PM).

I don't think that he's actually planning a drug-induced GLBT orgy on the grounds!

 

[yanici]

This shindig sounds like an old fashioned '60's "love in", but with guns.

Gay Hippies with guns?

Zap, you got a pic of these here people?

 

[ScottS]

Right-wing and left-wing causes merge as gay dance parties rage side-by-side with evangelical homeschoolers and Republican speechifying. Raves, drug-loving hippies and shooting range expeditionists all seem to be on the same side at this week-long event...where activists tend to divide on only one question: Whether to even bother with traditional politics.

I guess if you write the "press release," you can claim anything want, no matter how odd.

 

[Larry Legend]

You could always just go to see that guy OC'ing his AR-15 and a Scottish Highland sword.

 

[swampy]

Your just afraid that they'll show you up on the dancefloor in front of your kids.

Can "Gay dance party", "drug loving hippies" and "Kid friendly" really be used in the same post ?

I have nothing against gay folks but I don't care to expose my child to what you're describing.

 

[HTRN]

You could always just go to see that guy OC'ing his AR-15 and a Scottish Highland sword.

Ahh. Right: "That Guy!"
doobie is a one of a kind.

I fully support the political mission of the group: VERY limited, local government. The PORC Fest, is probably not a southern baptist event, however.

I personally don't recall homosexual PDA, or drug use at the one I was at a few years ago, but maybe I wasn't looking for it either.
I did however meet many liberty loving families and individuals that want to be free people. Everyone was respectful and polite. It was nothing like what I would imagine a 60s style drug-induced love-fest to be.
"I guess the down-side to freedom is you have to let others do what they want as well."
And no one person infringed on me while they did whatever they did in the privacy of their own tents or campers.

The rough part was that bike week was starting the following week and bikers were coming in and partying late and keeping everyone up until all hours of the morning. That is the only negative memory I have from PORCfest.

 

[cekim]

Dancing Sir. Mostly Dancing...

 

[GSG]

Can "Gay dance party", "drug loving hippies" and "Kid friendly" really be used in the same post ?

I have nothing against gay folks but I don't care to expose my child to what you're describing.

Ditto.

Make sure you guys have your cameras ready, that way if any police show up you guys can act like a bunch of 14 year old spoiled brats and post it on the internet.

They always have cameras ready when they call 911 on themselves to stir up attention.

 

[Gammon]

Doesn't sound like my kind of gathering, but to each his own. I am also worried that this type of gathering will not present the 2nd Amendment in a positive light.

 

[Titan]

Don't look for me either.

It sounds like just another excuse to party. I can't imagine what principles or values bind together the groups you mentioned.

Just the desire to move to NH?....How could they possibly have similar views of what freedom (or specifically the 2A) means?

 

[Mustad]

I can't imagine what principles or values bind together the groups you mentioned.

The principle of Liberty

How could they possibly have similar views of what freedom (or specifically the 2A) means?

Because they seem to be celebrating freedom, not my freedom, not your freedom, not their freedom but everyones Freedom. If your views of freedom are limited strictly to only one of our Amendments then you have a very narrow view of freedom. How can you expect someone to value the freedoms you personally fight for (or specifically the 2A) if you do not value whatever freedoms they hold important.

 

[ScottS]

Because they seem to be celebrating freedom, not my freedom, not your freedom, not their freedom but everyones Freedom. If your views of freedom are limited strictly to only one of our Amendments then you have a very narrow view of freedom. How can you expect someone to value the freedoms you personally fight for (or specifically the 2A) if you do not value whatever freedoms they hold important.

Really? Which part should I "value," the Big Gay Dance Party, or the pot-smoking part?

It's funny. I attend a big celebration of freedoms every year. There are parades, festivities for the whole family...hell, we even shoot fireworks into the air. I'm not recalling any "Gay dance party" or "drug loving hippies," though. We do it sometime in that first week of July. Maybe you've heard of it.

 

[Coyote33]

 

[Titan]

The principle of Liberty



Because they seem to be celebrating freedom, not my freedom, not your freedom, not their freedom but everyones Freedom. If your views of freedom are limited strictly to only one of our Amendments then you have a very narrow view of freedom. How can you expect someone to value the freedoms you personally fight for (or specifically the 2A) if you do not value whatever freedoms they hold important.

I grew up when hippies were hippies and I never knew one who would speak out for my freedom to own a gun. Maybe NH hippies are different.

The problem isn't with me and my view of freedom, it's with what I know about hippies.

And spare me the BS about the 'universal' definition of freedom. The country is full of people who think they should have the freedom to kill an unborn child and I'm against that one....just one example.

 

[cekim]

And spare me the BS about the 'universal' definition of freedom. The country is full of people who think they should have the freedom to kill an unborn child and I'm against that one....just one example.

The "universal definition" IMHO covers that in that people should be free to disagree even on such profound issues that reach inside our bodies. That one certainly stretches the absolute boundaries for both sides, but its clear we don't have a consensus. As such, those of us who err on the side of freedom are going to have to suck it up and accept it along with a host of other things that "offend us to the core" to protect our own freedom.

Live by the freedom sword - die by the freedom sword.

But, IBTL on the "A" word...

 

[drgrant]

I grew up when hippies were hippies and I never knew one who would speak out for my freedom to own a gun. Maybe NH hippies are different.

I've often said the following.... a real liberal is someone who will offer you an AK and a bag of weed to take home with you, without having used the power of the state to rob you collectively in order to obtain those things.

There really aren't that many around.... which is why they let the MSM get away with misuse of the term. Real "Liberals" would not agree with socialism and the premise of robbing other persons at gunpoint using the power of the state.

At some point or another freedom advocates have to swallow the bitter pill that means that some people are not necessarily going to use their freedoms in ways that you agree with... but frankly, as long as whatever they are doing doesn't affect you, then why should you care? Even if some do misuse it, that's part of the cost of freedom- which is giving people the benefit of the doubt... something governments and control structures simply don't want to do- because they operate on a principle that every individual is, by default, too stupid to govern their own affairs.

Let's avoid the dreaded A word.... unless you want to get the thread closed.

-Mike

 

[Lauria]

Because they seem to be celebrating freedom, not my freedom, not your freedom, not their freedom but everyones Freedom. If your views of freedom are limited strictly to only one of our Amendments then you have a very narrow view of freedom. How can you expect someone to value the freedoms you personally fight for (or specifically the 2A) if you do not value whatever freedoms they hold important.

+1. Holy crap did you sum this up perfectly.

Just because certain things aren't important to you personally doesn't mean that they aren't intrinsic rights. I'll fight to defend 2a rights, and I'll fight to defend anyone's right to hold a Big Gay Dance party.

 

[thisguyrighthere]

I grew up when hippies were hippies and I never knew one who would speak out for my freedom to own a gun. Maybe NH hippies are different.

I once got outbid on a handgun at a show by some petuli stinking hippie and his hairy girlfriend. They're very different here. Even the VT hippies are gun-toting.

Liberty is liberty. These people with their hang-ups or their moral self-righteousness and religious zealotry are no better than the gun-grabbing nanny-staters. And it's a wonder the single party system is this country thrives on authoritarianism.

This is my problem with the tea-party folks. Seems they arent interested in small government so much as they are interesting in their government. It can big big, bloated, expensive and intrusive but only so long as it is imposing the will onto others they want it to.

What's with all of this "live your life the way I want you to live it" garbage?

Besides, when has a dance party been anything but gay? It's not gay as hell when your kid starts walking around in some bizarre outfit of found clothes singing and dancing to "put a ring on it" while the neighbors are over? They'll fit right in.

As far as the holier than thou "unborn child" thing goes if you're against it then dont do it. So some other kid gets killed by mommy. Well, that sucks but it's not your problem. They'll be judged when the time comes. Stop trying to police the world like some crusader. In the end you just waste a lot of energy and die.

 

[zombienerd]

Porc fest is about liberty. Everyone's liberty.

Most people who attend may not agree with what is done with other people's liberty, but would die to defend it. Neither I, nor any other person has the right to tell you what to do "in the name of safety"

As long as you aren't hurting anyone else with your actions, you should be left alone.

I don't do or like drugs, but I support your right to kill yourself however you see fit.
I'm not gay, but it doesn't hurt me if you are, go for it.
I wouldn't want my wife or daughter to be a prostitute, but I respect that I have no right to tell that woman what she can/can not do with her body.
I wear my seatbelt everywhere, but I respect that you may want to fly out of a windshield for fun.
I wear a helmet on a bike or motorcycle, but I respect that you might want to paint the sidewalk with your brains.

As for the "A" word, I believe that sentience begins with two cells joining, so that collection of cells has the same rights and liberties as a 95 year old person. (That's my my opinion, and if you'd like to debate it, please PM, keep it out of the thread)

Porcfest won't have people walking around smoking pot, or gay people making out in the streets. There will be events discussing legalization of marijuana, as well as a "gay dance" that you don't have to go to, and won't be out in the middle of the campground in the open.

There will also be several great seminars on activism, as well as weapons safety classes and free range time for newbies, (no additional cost from what I understand).

There's also a cook off, "capture the flag" games, Dances for EVERYBODY (not just the big gay dance off), horseshoes, gymnastics for the kiddies, etc.

The whole purpose is for budding libertarians and constitutionalists to learn more about the movement, and what they can do to advance the goals of Liberty in our lifetime.



But, if you're closed minded, and only care about one of the amendments in the BILL OF RIGHTS, and you think that the Government is doing just dandy, then I respect that, and you don't have to come.

 

[HTRN]

I've often said the following.... a real liberal is someone who will offer you an AK and a bag of weed to take home with you, without having used the power of the state to rob you collectively in order to obtain those things.

There really aren't that many around.... which is why they let the MSM get away with misuse of the term. Real "Liberals" would not agree with socialism and the premise of robbing other persons at gunpoint using the power of the state.

At some point or another freedom advocates have to swallow the bitter pill that means that some people are not necessarily going to use their freedoms in ways that you agree with... but frankly, as long as whatever they are doing doesn't affect you, then why should you care? Even if some do misuse it, that's part of the cost of freedom- which is giving people the benefit of the doubt... something governments and control structures simply don't want to do- because they operate on a principle that every individual is, by default, too stupid to govern their own affairs.

Let's avoid the dreaded A word.... unless you want to get the thread closed.

-Mike

Thanks for the great Post Mike. It is clear that you get it.


And yes, I am astounded that many here don't have a true understanding of, or care about what liberty is.

 

[Titan]

I once got outbid on a handgun at a show by some petuli stinking hippie and his hairy girlfriend. They're very different here. Even the VT hippies are gun-toting.

Liberty is liberty. These people with their hang-ups or their moral self-righteousness and religious zealotry are no better than the gun-grabbing nanny-staters. And it's a wonder the single party system is this country thrives on authoritarianism.

This is my problem with the tea-party folks. Seems they arent interested in small government so much as they are interesting in their government. It can big big, bloated, expensive and intrusive but only so long as it is imposing the will onto others they want it to.

What's with all of this "live your life the way I want you to live it" garbage?

Besides, when has a dance party been anything but gay? It's not gay as hell when your kid starts walking around in some bizarre outfit of found clothes singing and dancing to "put a ring on it" while the neighbors are over? They'll fit right in.

As far as the holier than thou "unborn child" thing goes if you're against it then dont do it. So some other kid gets killed by mommy. Well, that sucks but it's not your problem. They'll be judged when the time comes. Stop trying to police the world like some crusader. In the end you just waste a lot of energy and die.

Remember that in the end the issue central to this thread was about who any individual chooses to socialize with.

Part of my freedom is choosing who I do and don't socialize with, and I simply suggested I wouldn't likely find a lot of common ground with some who would attend this 'festival' and would exercise my right to opt out. As others have pointed out, I also would CHOOSE not to expose my children to some of what they'd see at the porcupine festival. Again, I choose to determine what topics I discuss with my kids/grand kids, and when to do it.

I'm not suggesting that anyone be denied their version of freedom....I'm making a choice about 'freedom of association'.