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Not sure for other than Gun shops making the point that they could open, how it was even worth it to them given the harsh rules that needed to be followed.....
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While I'm hopeful it was probably the demand that crashed the system and caused the delays but i wouldn't put it past the state to devise a way to dely as wellWould MA be able to cause delays in the NICS check? And if so, how?
And I would think Comm2A would be as well.I’d be very interested to know how many people were delayed vs. successful.
And I would think Comm2A would be as well.
Well, 4 per hour (or more if multiple per buyer), times 8 hours is 32 (or more) sales. I am guessing a lot of that is just moving through things that were already purchased, to get them into their rightful owners' hands. So 32 sales isn't bad for a small Mom&Pop shop. However, as Martin Luther King, Jr. said "A right delayed is a right denied."; and there is no doubt this is a right delayed. First, it was delayed until today, then there were delays for many buyers, and finally, the infringement is tantamount to a figurative "delay of the system" overall.Not sure for other than Gun shops making the point that they could open, how it was even worth it to them given the harsh rules that needed to be followed.....
OKWell, 4 per hour (or more if multiple per buyer), times 8 hours is 32 (or more) sales. I am guessing a lot of that is just moving through things that were already purchased, to get them into their rightful owners' hands. So 32 sales isn't bad for a small Mom&Pop shop. However, as Martin Luther King, Jr. said "A right delayed is a right denied."; and there is no doubt this is a right delayed. First, it was delayed until today, then there were delays for many buyers, and finally, the infringement is tantamount to a figurative "delay of the system" overall.
I don't think so, not unless there's some law on the books that says a transfer can't be completed unless there's a definitive reply from NICS that the buyer is all set or has been denied. At most NICS can do a 3 day wait, but so long as there isn't a denial, the transfer can be completed after the 3 days.Would MA be able to cause delays in the NICS check? And if so, how?
Would MA be able to cause delays in the NICS check? And if so, how?
I may be wrong, but Mass doesn't have a state background check. The prerequisite is a buyer must have an LTC or FID to buy and so long as they have that, the only thing that would cause a delay is NICS, which I wouldn't be surprised if all federal background checks are being delayed 3 days to work through the backlog caused by the massive volume.I think it was probably due to volume of transactions but part of me thinks the state is throttling down the background checks on purpose
Not sure for other than Gun shops making the point that they could open, how it was even worth it to them given the harsh rules that needed to be followed.....
State background check? RI has them and we're getting fugged royal with the 30 day wait and it's solely because we have a law on the books that mandates a 7 day wait period, but that got extended by executive fiat to 30 days due to volume. NY has a 30 day rule on the books, but IDK if it's tied to a state background check.I can think of a way long term MA could cause us serious problems but without elaborating too much, it would cost them a lot of money to do
it. and they have proven they don't like to pay for gun control. Our asses are only saved in this state largely because MA skinflints on
gun control because they have to. (EOPS/CJIS has a very limited budget- and I bet most of it goes to support LE operations, not gun garbage. )
I may be wrong, but Mass doesn't have a state background check.
I'm curious myself about what inventory looks like.
I know I had spoken to one guy who was telling me just before the total shut down that the distributors had done into full rape mode on prices.
I was talking to someone at the range yesterday about the affinity for shotguns among first time gun owners and the only reason I can think of is these ignorant and inexperienced noobs think a shotgun is super powerful and it'll vaporize anyone they have to shoot like it's a phaser from Star Trek and also they don't have to aim it because... shotgun.Availability of some stuff is a bigger problem than prices. Things like "home defense shotguns" are still seemingly in short
supply. I think some people listened to Joe Biden too much years ago or something. "buy a shotgun" etc.
It also doesn't help that every guy working a gun counter recommends a shotgun to first time buyers looking for a home defense gun. I swear that it's a ploy because they know the first time the noob goes to shoot it, they're gonna fire one shell, the boom and recoil is going to scare them, and they're gonna return to the same store and sell it for half the price they paid for it and buy something else. Then the store can sell the same shotgun used for 75% what a new one costs and make more money selling the same gun twice.
The thing about women is true, even tho I can only base that on one woman that came in while I was picking something up and she had just gotten a blue card and was looking for a handgun that was small and I stuck around because I was bored and of all the questions she asked, the one I remember was when she had to ask what the difference between a revolver and a semi auto pistol was.I don't think I would go this far, at least in the past when I was on both sides of the counter on the reg I haven't witnessed this much. (I've worked for 3 different shops in MA and NH over the years, intermittently as a PT helper, gun shows, etc. ) Maybe this happens in box stores or shitty places like that. Then again I'm biased because I make a point of staying away from places like that. IMHO lots of newb customers (mind you, I'm not talking full on rona panicky birdbrains in the first 2 weeks of the pandemic here) have some sense of agency and come in the store with some idea about what they want, most don't come in and go "I need something suitable for home defense but I don't know what im doing, halp". Maybe some smarter women actually ask that, but the average joe six pack who thinks they know how to shoot guns well automatically cause they're male often comes in with some pre-existing notion of what they want to buy, whether or not its actually good idea is a whole other story. (Sorry if this is a tough pill for some, but it's the truth- on average women ask way more questions about what they're buying or what to buy, how it works, etc. I mean come on, we've all done it, bought .40s, etc. )
Good shop owners/staff also try to avoid this customer dissatisfaction scenario you illustrated. Especially now where someone buying a shotgun that
didn't really want it has now taken that shotgun out of inventory and the guy who actually wants it (and will keep it) can't buy it 2 hours later.
This is also a good way to detect whether a shop sucks or not. If you see/hear employees blowing lots of smoke up backsides, stay away. There are plenty of other shops that stay away from that.
AGs counsel has gone so far as to saying that parking lot sales are illegal since the license covers the premise only. As to guns, only the premise or gun shows - but the BATFE recognizes parking lots of gun stores as premises.Anything stopping MA FFLs from providing home delivery? Thinking customers fill out form and make purchase online. Then FFL does BGC, prints out forms, loads up truck, and gets signature when delivers firearm
Not sure if serious, the issue of having guns trapped at dealers was damaging to the dealers by itself. That causes serious customer whining even if it's not
the shop's fault. Not to mention 90% of the dealers in MA are small enough that they'll still at least be able to crank out some revenue even with the
trash in place. Places like FS, MFS, though are going to suffer inordinately because they rely on volume. It definitely kills the % of sales where lookie loos
actually stroll in and buy something.
If you asked a shop owner "hey you have two choices you can operate at 50% revenue or 0% revenue" even though the former sucks, they're still usually going to pick that. I am betting as pent up 'rona demand bleeds down though some of them are going to do stuff like limit hours, etc.
ETA: One upshot though is despite the appointment BS, when people get an appointment they are more likely to buy more shit while they're
in the shop, because there is no "If I forget something ill just stroll back over here next week" type convenience going on. That might compensate for
some of the lost casual sales of (whatever) because the people buying new guns will buy more ammo (dep on availability) and other accessories at the
same time.
4 per hour ... in the store.Well, 4 per hour (or more if multiple per buyer), times 8 hours is 32 (or more) sales. I am guessing a lot of that is just moving through things that were already purchased, to get them into their rightful owners' hands. So 32 sales isn't bad for a small Mom&Pop shop. However, as Martin Luther King, Jr. said "A right delayed is a right denied."; and there is no doubt this is a right delayed. First, it was delayed until today, then there were delays for many buyers, and finally, the infringement is tantamount to a figurative "delay of the system" overall.
have to wait 3 days. is that 3business days or 3 calendar days before we can pick it up ?went to gun store today to pick up my new toy that was bought and payed for over a mouth ago got a delayed so come home with nothing in my hands O love this state
What is the "I" in NICS again?I may be wrong, but Mass doesn't have a state background check. The prerequisite is a buyer must have an LTC or FID to buy and so long as they have that, the only thing that would cause a delay is NICS, which I wouldn't be surprised if all federal background checks are being delayed 3 days to work through the backlog caused by the massive volume.
Unless the national state of emergency Trump ordered gives the FBI authority to delay background checks for longer than the 3 days. IDK, I'd have to look into that, but bottom line is the state of Mass can't do jack to delay a transfer.
The first part here is some of what I was trying to get across in post 127.Not sure if serious, the issue of having guns trapped at dealers was damaging to the dealers by itself. That causes serious customer whining even if it's not
the shop's fault. Not to mention 90% of the dealers in MA are small enough that they'll still at least be able to crank out some revenue even with the
trash in place. Places like FS, MFS, though are going to suffer inordinately because they rely on volume. It definitely kills the % of sales where lookie loos
actually stroll in and buy something.
If you asked a shop owner "hey you have two choices you can operate at 50% revenue or 0% revenue" even though the former sucks, they're still usually going to pick that. I am betting as pent up 'rona demand bleeds down though some of them are going to do stuff like limit hours, etc.
ETA: One upshot though is despite the appointment BS, when people get an appointment they are more likely to buy more shit while they're
in the shop, because there is no "If I forget something ill just stroll back over here next week" type convenience going on. That might compensate for
some of the lost casual sales of (whatever) because the people buying new guns will buy more ammo (dep on availability) and other accessories at the
same time.
Bummer. I was just talking with a member about this. I already have a shotgun, but full size bird/trap gun. Maybe a deer barrel would do.Availability of some stuff is a bigger problem than prices. Things like "home defense shotguns" are still seemingly in short
supply. I think some people listened to Joe Biden too much years ago or something. "buy a shotgun" etc.
... they're gonna fire one shell, the boom and recoil is going to scare them, and they're gonna return to the same store and sell it for half the price they paid for it .... Then the store can sell the same shotgun used for 75% what a new one costs ...
... Especially now where someone buying a shotgun that didn't really want it has now taken that shotgun out of inventory and the guy who actually wants it (and will keep it) can't buy it 2 hours later.
OKOK... just saying with all the rules how are they expecting to turn any kind of profit with all the dumb ass restrictions. That was all I was saying. So relax.
... However, as Martin Luther King, Jr. said "A right delayed is a right denied."; and there is no doubt this is a right delayed. First, it was delayed until today, then there were delays for many buyers, and finally, the infringement is tantamount to a figurative "delay of the system" overall.
Anyone catch Faker's discussion regarding the circuit court ruling? "Well yeah, uh, we certainly will follow the uh ruling and be uh in compliance. Uh, I'll have to discuss with the State's Attorney General to see uh how we will uh make that happen." Beta-male Baker basically admitting who is running Massachusetts.