I was at a gun show recently in Florida noticed people purchasing firearms with nothing more than their Florida drivers license. So my question is if this is all that’s needed to purchase what do I do to sell my Massachusetts registered firearms in Florida?
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In NH there is no requirement for any paperwork when buying or selling a firearm as long as both the seller and buyer are NH residents. There would be no federal paperwork requirement either because the firearm didn't cross state lines as part of the deal.
I suspect the FLA in state purchase laws may be similar to NH in this regard. Your scenario where you asked about selling your MA registered firearm in FL would require an FFL transfer out of Mass and therefore would not be subject to the same laws as an in state firearm sale as I described above would be.
Hope that helps!
In NH there is no requirement for any paperwork when buying or selling a firearm as long as both the seller and buyer are NH residents. There would be no federal paperwork requirement either because the firearm didn't cross state lines as part of the deal.
I suspect the FLA in state purchase laws may be similar to NH in this regard. Your scenario where you asked about selling your MA registered firearm in FL would require an FFL transfer out of Mass and therefore would not be subject to the same laws as an in state firearm sale as I described above would be.
Hope that helps!
In America, selling a gun from one resident of a state to another resident of the state is normal and the feds can’t get involved. Where they can get involved is from state to state sales, and this is where FFLs come into play.
If you were to move to Florida, bring your guns with you, once you establish residency, you could also freely sell your firearms to other residents of Florida.
cathouse01
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The sales you witnessed in Florida were between "non-licensed" (meaning not holding an FFL) Florida residents. Anytime an FFL sells a firearm (as an FFL, not as an individual) they are required to fill out a 4473, even if at a gun show, even in Florida to a Florida resident
caboose84
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Florida does have a mandatory 3 day waiting period for delivery of a firearm from an FFL.
The waiting period doesn't apply if the buyer-
1) has a concealed carry license or
2) has a hunting license (or a hunter safety course card) and is purchasing a rifle or shotgun or
3) is trading in a firearm or
4) is a leo or correctional officer or military service member.
And it doesn't apply to private sales, just those by FFL's.
The waiting period doesn't apply if the buyer-
1) has a concealed carry license or
2) has a hunting license (or a hunter safety course card) and is purchasing a rifle or shotgun or
3) is trading in a firearm or
4) is a leo or correctional officer or military service member.
And it doesn't apply to private sales, just those by FFL's.
There was a lot of ftf sales at flea markets, but the Feds recently nailed a guy to the cross who was selling at flea markets making the case he needed to be a FFL since they deemed it a business. Once you are out of Massachusetts their laws mean shite in Florida.. Man pleads guilty to dealing firearms without license at North Fort Myers flea market - NBC2 News
Asaltweapon
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My brother when living in TN told me Gun shows were packed with f to f sales.
madmas1208
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You dont need a gun show or a flea market to do FTF sales, they happen all day long.
AKA "The Gun Show Loophole" lol
Exactly. Imagine moving back to MA, the State would have no idea you sold those guns.
Eventually someone in FL might put a gun on GB and find its way back to MA. Now the system shows 2 people with the same gun but no sale (if it even shows that).
This is one of the 100 reasons why the MA registration system is a complete cluster f*ck.
At the same time, the OP brought his own FL guns back to MA which don't require registration. So now he owns guns that are legal and the State doesn't know he has them.
This is another of the 100 reasons why the MA registration system is a complete cluster f*ck.
Mesatchornug
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It's not irrelevant if the goal is to make us suspect everything that's at all divergent from accepted norms.
"Nobody needs that many guns. Nobody needs that much cash in hand. Nobody needs to buy so many guns in such a short time."
it is a pile of shit, but, but as any pile of shit the government does - it is a ticking bomb that only waits for its proper time to go bang.
to start using it the law only needs to be augmented, and not by very too much.
Asaltweapon
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So what would you call a purchase if we did a deal in my home?
Mesatchornug
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Same thing.
Best part of America? Everyday, everywhere, there's a potential gun show. The loopholes are coming to getcha.
hpm
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Firearms are not registered in Massachusetts, only transactions are.
Have there been any court cases where the FA-10 system was brought up? It's so incredibly unreliable that I can't imagine a prosecutor trying to make a case hinged on it but I'm curious. @CrackPot @nstassel @Knuckle Dragger @Len-2A Training
1903Collector
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But don't those transactions have all the pertinent info on them, gun make, sn, etc. Or, is it Joe sold a gun to Harry on this date and thats it?
Maybe I'm wrong but if a cop can run your LTC number and a list of every transaction comes up with all the gun info on it, that sounds like a registry, albeit probably not searchable for a specific SN.
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LTC only suggests you a potential criminal, the transactional database proves it - considering the fact of ownership to be the crime.
but not until they will really start tightening the noose there. and, with the current scotus - hopefully it will not happen, ever. unless dems will pack it and revert everything, which is also, not very likely.
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hpm
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For example, if you move to MA and bring 100 guns - no guns would show up in the system as no transactions had happened.
Your "Standard Everyday Loophole".
If we did a deal at lunchtime, what would we eat for lunch?
I like Reuben's and maybe some chips, can you make Reuben's?
Asaltweapon
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I like crispy fried pastrami with American cheese and yellow mustard.Your "Standard Everyday Loophole".
If we did a deal at lunchtime, what would we eat for lunch?
I like Reuben's and maybe some chips, can you make Reuben's?
Is that close enough?
There's literally nothing magical about a gun show that makes it ok to ignore state and federal laws. Nothing. Thus the "gun show loophole" is a myth, it doesn't exist - there's nothing different about buying a gun at a show vs anywhere else.
it is what they call a loophole - the whole concept of direct P2P transactions. as think of it - what else of true value are you allowed just to trade directly, as p2p?
cars, houses - all needs to be licensed and taxed afterwards - a big man always wants his cut.
