Gun Club fudd rules

[mac1911]

Dude, you don't know WTF you are talking about.

I blew up my revolver with a squib and I wasn't firing multiple rounds per second.

OMG so didnt notice the off sounding discharge pausing long enough between shots lol
I have had a few squibs over the past 40 years. No blow ups but damaged guns and a sore hand .
Squibs are no fun at all. You most likely wont notice them as they often “feel” normal sound normal with other guns going off around you

 

[whacko]

There's a reason I have no interest in running for the BoD!

And most of the guys complaining about their clubs rules have zero interest in being on a bod either. Thats not a dig at you its just a general comment.

I get the 5 round per mag and some other rules are over the top......but honestly my clubs rules are there to protect the club as best we can. We have neighbors that are 150 yards from the actual firing line and homes behind the berm.......a good way behind it but still ......limiting rapid fire to 3 round bursts keeps the neighbors that are just barely 100 yards from the line somewhat happy. I mean....if you lived there would you want to hear mag dump after mag dump on a Saturday? We have members that have bitched about the 3 round rapid fire limit......our response is go find another club......we have 900 members that dues more than cover the expenses, no mortgage, and over half a mil in the bank.....

 

[mac1911]

And most of the guys complaining about their clubs rules have zero interest in being on a bod either. Thats not a dig at you its just a general comment.

I get the 5 round per mag and some other rules are over the top......but honestly my clubs rules are there to protect the club as best we can. We have neighbors that are 150 yards from the actual firing line and homes behind the berm.......a good way behind it but still ......limiting rapid fire to 3 round bursts keeps the neighbors that are just barely 100 yards from the line somewhat happy. I mean....if you lived there would you want to hear mag dump after mag dump on a Saturday? We have members that have bitched about the 3 round rapid fire limit......our response is go find another club......we have 900 members that dues more than cover the expenses, no mortgage, and over half a mil in the bank.....

Well anyone who buys a house near a gun club that does not love that sound is a Moron
Jeezus : kids noise are more annoying than gun fire , lol

 

[whacko]

I've been 'in charge of' (LOL) the range at my primary club for many years. Mostly a thankless job, with a ton of people providing 'helpful' ideas and PITA requests and a very small core group of people who actually step up and help. Much of the work is oriented to keeping things orderly and safe, and some idiots always show up and make that challenging by doing dumbass stuff when nobody is watching. I totally get the temptation to add more rules, restrictions, or implement RSO's. That said, the only new rules or guidelines I and my fellow officers have implemented pertain to the addition of steel targets. Before that we were paper targets only.

This is going to sound harsh and probably should. I think the crux of the Fudd rules issue is that many if not most people are lazy cowards. Rather than do the work to ID the problem members and either retrain them or boot them from the club, they jump on the rules and restrictions bandwagon. I think it's somehow empowering for such people to impose their will on others with the new rules when they lack the fortitude to simply approach someone one on one and say "Don't do that- it's unsafe / destructive".

You say keep the rules to a minimum and identify and deal with the idiots.....mkay.....

How do you identify the ass hats? We have video.....but as a board member I spend enough of my time working at the club i am damned sure not gonna sit at a computer and review videos of people shooting at the club. Next step to identify all the ass hats is having a range officer on duty.....which literally everyone on this thread thinks is hard line communism

 

[whacko]

Well anyone who buys a house near a gun club that does not love that sound is a Moron
Jeezus : kids noise are more annoying than gun fire , lol

Here's the thing......we try to be a good neighbor. The board can "f*** them they bought the house accross from a gun club" all you want......but when it comes down to brass tax.......the boards job is to secure the clubs ability to stay open into the future. We actually have 3 houses 100 yards from the firing line and many many within 200 to 300 yards.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Do your gun clubs enforce fudd level policies like this?

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[Chevy 2 65]

Old Colony in Pembroke has some stupid rules like that. No more than 10 rounds allowed in a magazine even if its pre-ban. No "rapid fire", with rapid fire defined as more than one round every two seconds. The guy giving the safety orientation was adamant that there is never any reason ever to shoot faster than once every two seconds and that it is more or less impossible to even hit your target if you're shooting that fast, and so you'd just be wasting ammo anyway.

Was this the guy

 

[Chevy 2 65]

And most of the guys complaining about their clubs rules have zero interest in being on a bod either. Thats not a dig at you its just a general comment.

I get the 5 round per mag and some other rules are over the top......but honestly my clubs rules are there to protect the club as best we can. We have neighbors that are 150 yards from the actual firing line and homes behind the berm.......a good way behind it but still ......limiting rapid fire to 3 round bursts keeps the neighbors that are just barely 100 yards from the line somewhat happy. I mean....if you lived there would you want to hear mag dump after mag dump on a Saturday? We have members that have bitched about the 3 round rapid fire limit......our response is go find another club......we have 900 members that dues more than cover the expenses, no mortgage, and over half a mil in the bank.....

Homes behind the berm. How the f*** did that get approved for houses. If you buy a house next to a gun range and then complain you are a goof.

 

[whacko]

Fags

You think most clubs don't have houses that are behind the berm? Maybe in super rural areas but alot of clubs have homes in line with the backstop......

 

[AFVet]

To revive an old term we used to see a lot more often.... just like shitty MA LTC issuing practices in shit towns...... much of these rules are best described as:

"Arbitrary and Capricious"

They're usually backed up with shit logic and not anything sound just something that some angry fudd made up on the fly because he didn't like the noise that was being generated out on the Rifle and Pistol Range when he was getting drunk in the clubhouse playing poker with his buddies or some bullshit. ( this is an example of a scenario I heard before at a club in Central Mass that shall remain nameless because I don't know what the current state of that place is right now) but the rules were literally like changed on the Fly by the chief "RO" because he didn't like his poker game being disturbed by too much gunfire outside of a building like 100 and something yards away.

On another occasion my friend was shooed away because "they were having a members kids birthday party" inside the clubhouse on a weekend.

He was like WTF?

LOL. I was going to ask you, if you knew anything about how the North Leominster R/G club was doing. I haven't gone back to Leominster since my Parents died and was thinking of driving through. Paul.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

You think most clubs don't have houses that are behind the berm? Maybe in super rural areas but alot of clubs have homes in line with the backstop......

yeah, that makes sense

 

[PatMcD]

Our range in Scarborough. Those houses are 1200 yds from our firing point. As you might guess, any rounds that go over the top of our impact/safety berm could very well kill somebody. That was all woods when the range was built.


Another club I'm a member of next door in Lisbon. A house less than 200 yds directly in line with our 100yd firing point.


Would I want a house there? Nope. No way in hell, because I've seen too many idiots who think they know what they are doing with guns.

 

[M1911]

And most of the guys complaining about their clubs rules have zero interest in being on a bod either. Thats not a dig at you it’s just a general comment.

Back when I was a club officer, we had an unwritten practice. When someone made a suggestion that we do X, we would say “that’s a great idea. You are the chairman of the X committee. Find some people to help you and come back to the board with a proposal.”

That usually solved the problem.

 

[Foudre]

Generally its to keep the dumb asses from mag dumping and shooting over thr berm.....rounds exiting the range is a fast way to get a club shut down.

If the range has nothing a mile behind the pistol range, then the rule is unreasonable.

 

[M1911]

Great advice. I'm always a little surprised/disappointed that this approach isn't more obvious to people.....show up, offer to help, meet people, talk to them......good thing generally happen.

Yeah, that’s another point. Help out. When you are shooting a match, help tape. When the match is over, help the guys tear down the stages and put away the props.

 

[M1911]

If the range has nothing a mile behind the pistol range, then the rule is unreasonable.

I’ve been to a number of ranges in the region. I don’t know of any without houses within a mile.

 

[walter62]

I think Maynard R&G fits that description but havent looked at geo maps

 

[Foudre]

I’ve been to a number of ranges in the region. I don’t know of any without houses within a mile.

That mile was hyperbolic, the majority of pistol rounds lose their lethality well before that distance.

 

[MisterHappy]

If the range has nothing a mile behind the pistol range, then the rule is unreasonable.

Yeah....not many places within 495 that don't have something within the potential landing zone of an "oops".

 

[mac1911]

Here's the thing......we try to be a good neighbor. The board can "f*** them they bought the house accross from a gun club" all you want......but when it comes down to brass tax.......the boards job is to secure the clubs ability to stay open into the future. We actually have 3 houses 100 yards from the firing line and many many within 200 to 300 yards.

Oh I get it , but you know how it starts
No shooting before 9am or after sunset
Moves to 10am to 4pm weekends not until noon , then eventually its mon wed friday 12-3 then eventually its just a club house , lol
Sure it might take a few decades , lol

What gets lost with in the “rules”
Is most that dont like them are not going do anything to try and change
Its a simple fact
Gun clubs are run by the 2-5% of those really active in the club.
I will give an example
Friend of mine went from shooting cmp a few times a year to now club president over a course of ten years. Like many active club members he hardly shoots now , lol
I warned him of what I call the secret board deep with in the circle .
It took a few years and weeding out of some of these folks . Clubs been improving since .

 

[Tartakovsky]

Every range has fudd rules and fudd range masters. It’s the only place they have power.

 

[mac1911]

Every range has fudd rules and fudd range masters. It’s the only place they have power.

For some its a “I got no where else to go” syndrome

 

[whacko]

Oh I get it , but you know how it starts
No shooting before 9am or after sunset
Moves to 10am to 4pm weekends not until noon , then eventually its mon wed friday 12-3 then eventually its just a club house , lol
Sure it might take a few decades , lol

What gets lost with in the “rules”
Is most that dont like them are not going do anything to try and change
Its a simple fact
Gun clubs are run by the 2-5% of those really active in the club.
I will give an example
Friend of mine went from shooting cmp a few times a year to now club president over a course of ten years. Like many active club members he hardly shoots now , lol
I warned him of what I call the secret board deep with in the circle .
It took a few years and weeding out of some of these folks . Clubs been improving since .

I joined my current club about 11 years ago. Been on the board for 5 years now. My shooting still averages 3 times a week...(well....before I f***ed up my shoulder last november....since that I barely shooting at all hurts too much but surgery is may 29th and I hope to be cleared to shoulder a long gun for deer season)

 

[whacko]

If the range has nothing a mile behind the pistol range, then the rule is unreasonable.

Rifle range has a culdisac a quarter mile past the back stop. We do concern ourselves with projos leaving the confines of the range.

 

[LTCRN]

You say keep the rules to a minimum and identify and deal with the idiots.....mkay.....

How do you identify the ass hats? We have video.....but as a board member I spend enough of my time working at the club i am damned sure not gonna sit at a computer and review videos of people shooting at the club. Next step to identify all the ass hats is having a range officer on duty.....which literally everyone on this thread thinks is hard line communism

It only takes one overzealous range "safety" officer to ruin the experience. Some feel that they are an "authority" figure, firearm / magazine experts regarding MA law, and expert instructors. Just MYOFB unless you witness an actual safety violation. Politely identify yourself, identify the violator, either through an ID or vehicle registration number, ask them to leave immediately, and report them to the BOD. Don't let the position go to your head. There are enough of those out on road patrol already.
We don't need anymore rules, that pushes people away. I purposely avoid weekends and peak times to avoid having to deal with them and the asshats!
I have identified two groups of asshats that cause me to become on high alert when seeing them arrive or already on the range, both age related.
One group you can correct, the other group can only be corrected by permanently revoking their membership as their bad habits are impossible to break and they won't listen anyway. There's nothing great about having a loaded 1911 pointed at you, with a finger on the trigger, while you are only one station away. I've heard the excuse "I know what I'm doing" when I politely ask them to point the loaded pistol away from me, more than once.

 

[whacko]

Back when I was a club officer, we had an unwritten practice. When someone made a suggestion that we do X, we would say “that’s a great idea. You are the chairman of the X committee. Find some people to help you and come back to the board with a proposal.”

That usually solved the problem.

We had a guy at the monthly meeting complain that the men's bathroom needed cleaning more often. The president literally got up and took the guy to the bathroom.....and pointed to the toilet brush and cleanser, mop and bucket.....which are literally in view in the bathroom.

 

[whacko]

It only takes one overzealous range "safety" officer to ruin the experience. Some feel that they are an "authority" figure, firearm / magazine experts regarding MA law, and expert instructors. Just MYOFB unless you witness an actual safety violation. Politely identify yourself, identify the violator, either through an ID or vehicle registration number, ask them to leave immediately, and report them to the BOD. Don't let the position go to your head. There are enough of those out on road patrol already.
We don't need anymore rules, that pushes people away. I purposely avoid weekends and peak times to avoid having to deal with them and the asshats!
I have identified two groups of asshats that cause me to become on high alert when seeing them arrive or already on the range, both age related.
One group you can correct, the other group can only be corrected by permanently revoking their membership as their bad habits are impossible to break and they won't listen anyway. There's nothing great about having a loaded 1911 pointed at you, with a finger on the trigger, while you are only one station away. I've heard the excuse "I know what I'm doing" when I politely ask them to point the loaded pistol away from me, more than once.

Ive dealt with a few issues of safery violations. Always stayed calm professional......except one incident.

Example of a professsional encounter:
Guy and his daughter come in while the range was "cold"......sets a rifle on a bench pointed down range.....action closed......he goes out to set a target and his daughter (about 10 years old) sits at the bench and picks up the rifle and shoulders it.....while people including her dad are down range. I walked over and said please put the rifle down.....she did. Dad turns around and starts walking back to me.....I said sir can I speak to you outside for a second? He seemed agitated but came out with me. I said range rules say all fire arms need to be action open and racked when the range is cold and while people are down range. He said "its not loaded" I stayed polite and professional and said nobody else knows that and the action is closed and she had it pointed at you. Please.....go inside and rack that rifle. He did. Situation concluded.....and I didn't embarras him in front of his kid.

One where it started out professional and ended unorifessional...

Came into the rifle range and there were 3 guys downrange changing targets......3 rifles are in the shooting benches actions closed....magazines in them all. Not the crime of the century......so I waited for them to come back......same polite professional demeanor and told them the rule about action open in the racks to go downrange. One went ballistic on me.....they aren't f***ing loaded and nobodies touching them! I said clear the rifles.....open the actions and put them in the racks please.....so we can go cold and I can go set a target......one of them grabbed his AR all pissed off....swung it sideways pointing it right at me and pulled the charging handle to the rear and a live round popped out......lets the charging handle go.....chambers another round cuz the loaded mag is still in it. I stepped forward and to the side and pushed his barrel up to the ceiling.......said STOP. Point that thing down range and unload it. When they were done racking the rifles in said pack up your shit and leave. They argued but did leave. All 3 had to their range access cards turned off until they attended another orientation session.

 

[Foudre]

Rifle range has a culdisac a quarter mile past the back stop. We do concern ourselves with projos leaving the confines of the range.

Read pistol in my response.

 

[whacko]

Read pistol in my response.

Our outdoor range is rifle and pistol......with housed a quarter mile behind the back berm we need to concern ourselves with either rife or pistol rounds going over the berm

 

[Palladin]

If you mean Danvers, my buddy is a member.
He's the easiest going guy you ever want to meet .
He was down there shooting with his Grandson when one of the RO's went nuts on the grandson because his toe touched the line .
He snapped and tore the guy a new ass. I think there was even a GFY in there somewhere.

When I was attending the ROs were all 75yo guys who were retired and trap shooters. I showed up on a Wednesday afternoon to yhe rifle range, the RO was leaving.."I'm done, someone else will show up for the afternoon..range is closed". Huh?