Gun Ban

The Democrats are about to go on the political equivalent of Ethnic Cleansing if they cheat and win these Georgia races.
Even if GOP wins both of them, it's not a guarantee that Romney and Collins and who know who else will hold the line against a packed court and an Austrialia style gun ban!
 
The Obama admin was rightly wary of trying to push the AWB again, they still remembered what happened last time. Hopefully the democratic party
is pragmatic enough to understand that if they try again, they'll lose congress and the white house in the next elections.
The Dems play the long game tho. They know Joe is dough after 1 term, if he gets in they will do scorched Earth and not give a flying fugg. They would love to get 1m Trumpers marching in Washington so they could unleash 1m Antifa at the same time.

I do not believe that given the opportunity to do so the Dems will fail to try to A. Pack the courts and B. Ban and confiscate guns.

The Rubicon is packing the courts and I don't give a rat's ass what Mark Levin says about Article 5 Convention of States to make an amendment to the Constitution, you cannot vote on an amendment if your guns are already gone and you got beheaded with a machete by a Somali immigrant!
 
we need a nes deep sea fishing trip with a leaky boat if things start to go south.

Generally, you're required to report a lost or stolen firearm.

If they pass a law requiring turning them in, then I guess the choice is turn them in or destroy them yourself.

It is perfectly legal to destroy a firearm, following ATF guidelines. Once it is no longer a firearm, you can obliterate the scraps as you see fit.

I suppose then you'd have no proof that you no longer possess the firearm, but you are in compliance with the ban despite not having turned it in and with no duty to report the loss.
 
Collins is a RINO, so don't count on her.

EO can only be used on the alphabet agencies and their policies. You'd have to have enough to change GCA '68 (I think the bumpstocks were a gray area, and am surprised their confiscation/destruction without compensation isn't making it's way through the courts.)

That's irrelevant. If the republican party maintains majority than Mitch runs the show. I think your bold text is broken.
 
That's irrelevant. If the republican party maintains majority than Mitch runs the show. I think your bold text is broken.
Not if it goes 50-50 because then there is no "majority" to lead. 50-50 senate is a Democrat senate with Harris as the VP. 51-49 senate is a RINO senate because Romney will cave to the Donks.

IMO, the people of Utah need to immediately begin a recall effort of Mitt Romney.

Collins IDK if she's as flaky as Romney, but other than ACB, who she voted against for her re-election, IDK what Collins has done that makes her flimsy with 2A or court packing.

All this is under the assumption that Tills holds out in NC. IDK what the deal is with their mail in ballots, but if it's enough to flip that seat, then I don't see how the 2A survives outside of a civil conflagration.
 
Not if it goes 50-50 because then there is no "majority" to lead. 50-50 senate is a Democrat senate with Harris as the VP. 51-49 senate is a RINO senate because Romney will cave to the Donks.

IMO, the people of Utah need to immediately begin a recall effort of Mitt Romney.

Collins IDK if she's as flaky as Romney, but other than ACB, who she voted against for her re-election, IDK what Collins has done that makes her flimsy with 2A or court packing.

All this is under the assumption that Tills holds out in NC. IDK what the deal is with their mail in ballots, but if it's enough to flip that seat, then I don't see how the 2A survives outside of a civil conflagration.

Yes, I am aware of how it works, which is why I said "IF" the GOP maintains control of the senate, which Susan Collins is a key part of. As of today they likely will maintain control, the GA senate races should both go to GOP. Perdue won his race, he just didn't get exactly 50% of the vote. And then we had Doug Collins & Loeffler as two R's who cannibalized each other's votes. Loeffler will unite both behind her, & she will easily win that seat vs. Warnock.

Furthermore, even if the democrats were to take control of the senate, they do NOT have a filibuster proof majority. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Without a fillibuster proof majority, they would not be able to get any gun legislation passed unless they opted to execute nuclear option 3. Which they could, but, again, it would be political suicide for them come midterms in 2022, and there is no way that Dem senators in moderate states like Kelly in Arizona are going to go along with radical votes like that.

In essence, people need to relax instead of paying .75/round for 9mm.
 
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Yes, I am aware of how it works, which is why I said "IF" the GOP maintains control of the senate, which Collins is a key part of. As of today they likely will maintain control, the GA senate races should both go to GOP.

Furthermore, even if the democrats take control of the senate, they do NOT have a filibuster proof majority. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Without a fillibuster proof majority, they would not be able to get any gun legislation passed unless they opted to execute nuclear option 3. Which they could, but, again, it would be political suicide for them come midterms in 2022, and there is no way that Dem senators in moderate states like Kelly in Arizona are going to go along with radical votes like that.

In essence, people need to relax instead of paying .75/round for 9mm.
You are leaving a lot up to chance, you think Kelly isn't going to vote on a gun bill after his wife got shot in the head? He's been waiting YEARS to do it!

Both GOP candidates in GA could lose. Yes, it's possible Manchin will not vote for anti gun bills, but I'm not willing to take that bet. It's also very possible that Romney would be on board for using the nuke option because he's a RINO, for all we know the a**h*** might switch to the Democrat party next year in light of all this consternation with the legal challenges by Trump.

And I'm not telling people to pay 75 cents a round for 9mm, I'm telling people they better prepare to pay a price so high its value is ultimate.
 
You are leaving a lot up to chance, you think Kelly isn't going to vote on a gun bill after his wife got shot in the head? He's been waiting YEARS to do it!

Both GOP candidates in GA could lose. Yes, it's possible Manchin will not vote for anti gun bills, but I'm not willing to take that bet. It's also very possible that Romney would be on board for using the nuke option because he's a RINO, for all we know the a**h*** might switch to the Democrat party next year in light of all this consternation with the legal challenges by Trump.

And I'm not telling people to pay 75 cents a round for 9mm, I'm telling people they better prepare to pay a price so high its value is ultimate.

That’s not what I said. Jesus Christ. Try this again.

Assuming the democrats control the senate 50/50 (which is unlikely if you actually look at the results in GA. BOTH seats were won by republicans already), the democrats do NOT have a filibuster proof majority.

So, without that majority the democrats would need 60 votes to pass gun legislation in the Senate. They are NOT getting 60 votes for any new gun laws (yes, Kelly would vote for gun laws, but you'd also need TEN GOP senators to vote yes). So, the ONLY way democrats will get new massively restrictive gun laws would be to execute nuclear option 3. THAT would have to be voted on within the senate & the democrats would need every single democrat in the senate to pass nuclear option 3. Dem senators in moderate states (Like Kelly) would likely not vote to pass nuclear option 3. It would be political suicide come midterms in 2022.

Again, people need to put the fear porn down and relax.
 
The Rubicon is packing the courts and I don't give a rat's ass what Mark Levin says about Article 5 Convention of States to make an amendment to the Constitution, you cannot vote on an amendment if your guns are already gone and you got beheaded with a machete by a Somali immigrant!

Rubicon is now, if election fraud stands you don't even need to show up for midterms, Dims will vote in their house and remove any R in lieu of pet RINOs (need to maintain that illusion of two party rule) 2024 is same, their pick of POTUS, SOP.

You people plan for 2024 run or midterms [rofl] [rofl] [rofl] ... we have literally a zombie who never campaigned "winning", if this shit is normalized, shit with raisin on top will be greeted by all.
 
That’s not what I said. Jesus Christ. Try this again.

Assuming the democrats control the senate 50/50 (which is unlikely if you actually look at the results in GA. BOTH seats were won by republicans already), the democrats do NOT have a filibuster proof majority.

So, without that majority the democrats would need 60 votes to pass gun legislation in the Senate. They are NOT getting 60 votes for any new gun laws (yes, Kelly would vote for gun laws, but you'd also need TEN GOP senators to vote yes). So, the ONLY way democrats will get new massively restrictive gun laws would be to execute nuclear option 3. THAT would have to be voted on within the senate & the democrats would need every single democrat in the senate to pass nuclear option 3. Dem senators in moderate states (Like Kelly) would likely not vote to pass nuclear option 3. It would be political suicide come midterms in 2022.

Again, people need to put the fear porn down and relax.
Forget the 60 votes, they will use nuclear option and they don't care because they will wait 2, 4, 6, 8 years to get the senate and house back. They play the long game, buddy, and if you know Monopoly after you roll 3 doubles your turn ends.

The GOP may have rolled their last double.
 
Let them come to take my guns, they'll need more than an mrap or a bearcat, courtesy of Ronnie Barrett and company.
Generally, you're required to report a lost or stolen firearm.

If they pass a law requiring turning them in, then I guess the choice is turn them in or destroy them yourself.

It is perfectly legal to destroy a firearm, following ATF guidelines. Once it is no longer a firearm, you can obliterate the scraps as you see fit.

I suppose then you'd have no proof that you no longer possess the firearm, but you are in compliance with the ban despite not having turned it in and with no duty to report the loss.
uhm no dude the choice is to load all of the mags you got and go to work, I'd go mel gibson on their asses, even have the rmj forge tomahawk to do it with lol
 
Lon Horiuchi killed an unarmed woman holding a baby. Kevin Harris returned fire and killed a federal jackboot who had just shot and killed his best friend's young son. Horiuchi, the FBI agent, was not tried for murder but Kevin Harris, the civilian, certainly was. Thank goodness a jury found him not guilty!
Horiuchi was charged in an Idaho court, but the 9th circus court of appeals ruled that when a federal law officer kills while acting on official orders they are immune from state prosecution..
 
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We need more USPSA action pistol and steel challenge revolver shooters. Come join us.
I’ve thought about doing a match using my S&W 629 “Backpacker”... I think I have the needed number of speed loaders and carriers...Going full “Dirty Harry” or Sledgehammer... but in the end I’m not that much of a Masochist...
 
The SCOTUS will be packed by then. They will rule that only a .gov militia can keep firearms in a .gov armory.
No way SCOTUS gets packed. Biden’s 4 years are going to be a disaster. We’ll be fine in 2022 and 2024. This was all about getting rid of Trump. And EVERBODY in American politics and the media contributed, including Faux news.
 
There are 46 dems and 2 indies that cacus with the dems - Bernie Sanders and Angus King from Maine - to get to the 48 number that you see. Alaska and NC should hold to get to 50 Republicans. Should get at least one but likely two of the Georgia seats. However there is going to be a ton of money spent on the race from Bloomberg, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, etc. Always dangerous when there is that kind of money involved.
Best news I've heard this week, Thanks.......Not a high bar though.
 
That’s not what I said. Jesus Christ. Try this again.

Assuming the democrats control the senate 50/50 (which is unlikely if you actually look at the results in GA. BOTH seats were won by republicans already), the democrats do NOT have a filibuster proof majority.

So, without that majority the democrats would need 60 votes to pass gun legislation in the Senate. They are NOT getting 60 votes for any new gun laws (yes, Kelly would vote for gun laws, but you'd also need TEN GOP senators to vote yes). So, the ONLY way democrats will get new massively restrictive gun laws would be to execute nuclear option 3. THAT would have to be voted on within the senate & the democrats would need every single democrat in the senate to pass nuclear option 3. Dem senators in moderate states (Like Kelly) would likely not vote to pass nuclear option 3. It would be political suicide come midterms in 2022.

Again, people need to put the fear porn down and relax.

I may be crazy but I find myself thinking that because we put the fear porn down and relaxed is exactly how we ended up in the mess we are in today.
 
The Obama admin was rightly wary of trying to push the AWB again, they still remembered what happened last time. Hopefully the democratic party
is pragmatic enough to understand that if they try again, they'll lose congress and the white house in the next elections.
Everyone keeps saying AWB...it’s not happening. I know Sleepy Joe screams it too but it’s just to fire up the idiots. Im more worried about filing everything under the NFA cuz that’s registration and we know where that leads.
 
Taking a quick look at Collin's voting record...I see she voted against a "ban" on standard capacity magazines recently.. and 7 years ago...voted against "AWB", against "UBC"...and it seems going back to 1999 against it then too...I don't have all the details I assume... but has she made any statements indicating she has changed her position?
 
Taking a quick look at Collin's voting record...I see she voted against a "ban" on standard capacity magazines recently.. and 7 years ago...voted against "AWB", against "UBC"...and it seems going back to 1999 against it then too...I don't have all the details I assume... but has she made any statements indicating she has changed her position?
She probably made a deal with the devil to keep her seat. Having faith in proven squishy Rs is a recipe for disappointment.
 
For sure...I don't trust any of them on the basis they are politicians...I was just looking to see what her record was like..... but again...like investments... Past results are no guarantee of future performance
 
She probably made a deal with the devil to keep her seat. Having faith in proven squishy Rs is a recipe for disappointment.

The deal she made was to vote against Amy Coney Barrett. And I think it was the smart play. ACB already had the votes, so no need to risk the moderate Maine vote.


For sure...I don't trust any of them on the basis they are politicians...I was just looking to see what her record was like..... but again...like investments... Past results are no guarantee of future performance

True. I think it’s worthwhile though, and is reassuring. I’m okay with Collins being more middle of the road on most social/environmental issues (if she is). I just want her to defend my freedoms.
 
Let them come to take my guns, they'll need more than an mrap or a bearcat, courtesy of Ronnie Barrett and company.

uhm no dude the choice is to load all of the mags you got and go to work, I'd go mel gibson on their asses, even have the rmj forge tomahawk to do it with lol

*sigh*

They say you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it think...

You do as you must. I will assert that I have destroyed all my firearms.
 
Unless you’re posting from a VPN while running a temporary OS like Tails, then you posting about it completely ruins your intent.

I'm not at all sure what you mean. I have nothing to hide. I'm way to old and creaky to take any active part in this fight. What I stated is that we need to display compliance. I have passed no public judgment on the actions of anyone even if some of those are contrary to appearances.
 
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