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Gun and mag used at Charleston Church Shooting

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How the heck did this one shooter kill 9 and injure others?

Even if he had a 33 round extended Glock magazine, I do not see how this is possible.

He must have had a ton of mags to amass such devastation.

The news said that the shooter was with the bible study group before he went postal.

I know it may be morbid to discuss the details of the killers gun and mags, but after all this is a gun forum.

So far in the news, there is no talk of the weapon used.

This is such a tragic mass killing but I sort of think that there is a gun control angle that may rear its head.

Please keep this thread on topic and leave the non gun/mag issues in the other thread.
 
Most people freeze when confronted with that level of violence. They talk about fight or flight, but I think the most common reaction is to simply freeze in place. With a presumably older, church going crowd, this was the most likely scenario. He probably just popped them in the head calmly while they cowered in place.

Musashi in the "Book of five rings" talks about meditating on ones self being killed in various ways to counter act this instinct, but I digress. There was probably zero resistance.
 
So tragic that they likely chose not to swarm the attacker as many instructors and sheepdogs teach.

I must say your digression is welcome as that could be the only way to defend against such an attack with multiple mags or very high capacity mags.

I'll look into that book.
 
I'm going to say who cares what he used. It is the man who committed this atrocity not the weapon. I'm glad there has been no talk of weapon used. It is truly immaterial. A man took innocent lives and I hope their family's find peace.
 
throttle-junkie said:
I'm going to say who cares what he used. It is the man who committed this atrocity not the weapon. I'm glad there has been no talk of weapon used. It is truly immaterial. A man took innocent lives and I hope their family's find peace.
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Knowing the weapon and equipment of the killer can help to defend against future attacks.

R.I.P. to the innocent victims who were in church to pray.
 
Reptile said:
Knowing the weapon and equipment of the killer can help to defend against future attacks.

R.I.P. to the innocent victims who were in church to pray.
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How? Unless we are talking ban the weapon which we all know doesn't work. Cary and adequate weapon. Train with it and prepare to use it if you have to.

I know there will be talk of the weapon I am glad that it wasn't the headline and that it hasn't happened yet.
 
throttle-junkie said:
How? Unless we are talking ban the weapon which we all know doesn't work. Cary and adequate weapon. Train with it and prepare to use it if you have to.
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Well if he ONLY had a 10 round mag, I would not feel the need to carry 2 extra 17 round mags to defend against that next time I'm sitting in the pew.
 
I'm sure the feds are on scene and have locked down all information coming out. We'll hear what they want us to hear only when they want us to hear it.
 
In God We Trust said:
I think the biggest point this should drive home is "Carry EVERYWHERE."
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If I went to church, there is absolutely no way I would go without carrying. It should be well established fact by now that places of worship are popular targets for sick ****s, be they religious zealots, racists, or just downright psychos. This isn't the first time. Your more likely to get shot in a mass shooting at a church than probably the majority of other places you would consider it acceptable to carry.
 
so now some ******* is going to be the focus of media political scrutiny with no shortage of "activists" getting their mouths lubed for the talking head circuit to decry this act of NRAmerican terrorism and why don't we do something about those guns anyway? Why do you need a gun that can shoot a single bullet at a time? why do you need a gun? guns caused this. the NRA caused this. Those *******s on NES caused this.

These people have barely assumed room temperature and the comments boards on CNN and HuffCrap are all decrying the NRA, the second amendment and the like. Speaking selfishly, I suppose, but whoever this guy is, he's a ****ing ******* and I know that's the understatement of the year. But it doesn't matter, according to the left, this wouldn't have happened if there were no guns. They keep hearkening to a utopia that won't exist but hey, it makes for a convenient bludgeon when an opportunistic tragedy arises.
 
Not sure what significance the gun and magazine hold? Even if we try and use it as a training opportunity I very highly doubt that you can edc enough firepower to match someone that's on a suicide killing spree.. That doesn't mean that I won't continue to carry my G30 with a spare mag but it does mean I don't need to try and match round for round any situation that might arise, that's just unrealistic.

As as others have said I don't think someone would have a hard time inflicting this much damage on a unarmed unsuspecting group of people, since the details aren't clear we can speculate that the shooter could have come in from the back while the rest were facing forward and he could easily get off several good shots while people were trying to process what was happening.
 
Relax, the police will tell us what weapon was used as soon as they decided which one to take out of storage...
'Do we do the 'bushmaster machine gun' thing again or switch it up with an AK? Oh we are trying to ban handguns thus week? A glock it is then...

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Reptile said:
Well if he ONLY had a 10 round mag, I would not feel the need to carry 2 extra 17 round mags to defend against that next time I'm sitting in the pew.
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if he ran over 9 people w his SUV it would be local news.

mass shootings provide perfect fotter for the fear-mongering left. it will be entertaining (and frightening) to see what flavors of propaganda emerge here.

BTW the gun or mag is as irrelevant as the perpetrator's shoes or haircut.
 
Good God, the gun and magazine size makes no difference, he probably could have done the same damage with a bolt action rifle if he was fast to reload. Yes, this is a gun forum, but almost everyone on here I have met understands a gun is only as dangerous as the person pulling the trigger.

You're asking a what if question, what if it was a jennings 22 and he amazingly shot 9 people without 9 jams, what if it was a sub-2000 under his shirt, an evil black rifle, a joe biden shotgun..... Lets focus on how to defend against an animal like this instead of focusing on what type of gun was used. Your thought process gets guns banned, you sound like a left wing talking head on NBC. "Lets find out what gun he used and BAN it so this will never happen again!" ... Dangerous thinking if you believe in the constitution.
 
No offense but I'm sure one or two people in the church had to be packing and they froze. I'm not trying to belittle the situation or anything and say I would have shot that guy in the face 6 times from a hundred yards with my glock 42 on the move. Just saying that odds are one or two had one and couldn't use it
 
From what im reading it illegal in SC to have a firearm in a place of worship and im not talking about the gunman. There may have been one citizen carrying, but i think it unlikely as it was a liberal run church.
 
In God We Trust said:
Dude, give them a few hours. There will be talk of it, I promise. MUCH talk.
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This.
By the time she "comes on at five", some CNN or NBC "bubble-headed bleach-blonde with a gleam in her eye" will be telling the entire country that "Authorities believe the gunman may have been armed with a Smith & Wesson Model 686 Assault Revolver...."

Bet on it.
 
Reptile said:
How the heck did this one shooter kill 9 and injure others?
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Umm... There's no real "stumper" math equation here... Seems pretty simple to me: "Gun Free Zone", he's armed, they're gun free. He could've used a friggin "Zip" gun and his "mag" could've been a heavy duty rubber band.

Him: gun....Them: no gun...Result = the same result as the Colorado Theater, Sandy Hook School, (etc etc etc)
 
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Judging by his outfit on the cctv pics it was pistol(s?) only. Plain sweatshirt and jeans. They're saying he came in and sat down before he started shooting. Could have been sitting behind a bunch of folks, and I'd guess they weren't going to be able to create distance, get to an exit/cover. That, and most people tend to trip over each other/everything around them when shtf.
 
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jkelly1229 said:
No offense but I'm sure one or two people in the church had to be packing and they froze. I'm not trying to belittle the situation or anything and say I would have shot that guy in the face 6 times from a hundred yards with my glock 42 on the move. Just saying that odds are one or two had one and couldn't use it
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OK, it's still "early in the game", but I'll put ten bucks on nobody was carrying. Actually I'll double down. Gimme $20 on "Feeling Safe in Gun Free Zone".
 

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