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Gun and ammo shortages
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Ha, yeah, Putin's buddy did a fair job.
Did he say anything about the bounties on our soldiers' heads?
Did he say anything about the Navalny poisoning?
Did he say anything when Erdogan's bodyguards beat the shit out of Americans on *American* soil?
Remember when we used to hate the Kremlin? Remember when Putin was in the KGB? Remember when we thought Erdogan was a 3rd world bully? Remember when Trump *was* a Democrat? And that he contributed to Kamala Harris' campaign for AG in California?
The President is our representative. He is *our* employee and servant, not the other way 'round. And his time is done. The only *sad* part is that because of him, we won't get a good Republican for awhile. Now we have 4 more years of shit to deal with, regardless of who wins.
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Is a pattern of concerning action less concerning or offensive to you than crass speech ?
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I'm not going to bother answering that if all you think Trump is responsible for is 'crass speech'.
Also, a repudiation of Trump is not an endorsement of Biden.
Isn't it interesting to refer to speech "Did <POTUS> say" & "remember when" a few times, yet a query comparing said spoken words is not worth the bother ?
If you don't wish to directly answer my query, I understand. However, do you feel your direct response regarding the comparison would nudge into addressing a very uncomfortable confrontation with cognative dissonance ?
TDS patient zero right here.
I'm actually a little surprised there appears to be zero planning and insignificant adjustment to the new demand. Military demand should be lower, no? Maybe LEO's and Guard units are stocking up and getting priority?
Also, that one or two boxes of SD ammo bought by new owners isn't going to kill supply. Maybe the asswipe 'speculators' are a major part of the problem? I've seen their type collectively F up supply of industrial raw materials.
I think you need to go and take a remedial civics class or three, since it would cover why most of these things have little or nothing to do with Trump. FTR I'd say the same thing about a
ton of similar bullshit that was attributed to Obama, or Bush, for that matter, despite the fact that both of them were demonstrably worse in other ways.
But yet, moonbats keep parroting this shit. You might want to shut off the demsnbc, cnn, or whatever it is you watch, because it's not helping.
We can start here...
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If they hadn't done some big upgrades since the last Obamascare/Sandy hook, there wouldn't be anything right now. Honestly I think that expansion of capacity is the only reason any some ammo is showing up at all. I expected things to be worse by May never mind October. There's also the gambling element. You cant just expand an ammo plant overnight, either. And then you have to know, via forecasting, somehow, that the bet is going to pay
off. Theres a tendency to camp and wait it out rather than expand. Or to try to do more with what you have, knowing that if the demand gets saturated you might not realize the
return on investment. Now if this shit does energizer bunny I would see some more expansion by next year. Some are probably already doing stuff as I write this.
Maybe, but that's almost a totally different supply chain. I doubt that demand is anywhere near the civ demand for small arms ammo right now, but im sure it accounts for
some capacity being used.
Yes it will, when there are MILLIONS of them. Even if we say the 5 million figure is bogus and there's only 2 million of them, that is still unprecedented. They're not just buying SD ammo, either. Go hang out in a gun shop on a saturday that still has ammo... I don't think some of you guys really understand the scope of this. Shops might be getting some cases of ammo here and there every week or two, but usually they are literally getting blown clean and they run out of ammo before more stock comes in. This is at places that will ration you down to a few boxes a visit. And even at $20+ a box, they're still getting blown clean. Even "bigs" like SO or Deli Ticket warehouse are getting blown clean, although they typically dont stay bare for long because they have better position in the food chain for ammo.
Also remember these new people that bought guns after march.... they probably would have left the store with 400 rds or more maybe to get started. Most of them got shit. So they keep coming back for more.
There are literally lines of people when some shop gets ammo in and the people liniing up are happy to get their 1-3 boxes of ammo they bought that day.
This is certainly a possibility, as well, for sure, but we'd need an insider view to find that out, but even then with the spiking prices it should be enough to offset most commodity issues
issues. Some of it could just be supply chain disruptions leading to lack of raw materials, too. "cuz rona" etc.
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I'll just paste this from my previous response. All the following were actions, not speech:
Did he say or do anything about the bounties on our soldiers' heads?
Did he say or do anything about the Navalny poisoning?
Did he say anything when Erdogan's bodyguards beat the shit out of Americans on *American* soil?
Remember when we used to hate the Kremlin? Remember when Putin was in the KGB? Remember when we thought Erdogan was a 3rd world bully? Remember when Trump *was* a Democrat? And that he contributed to Kamala Harris' campaign for AG in California?
And oh yeah, one thing he *did* say, on tape:
"I wanted to always play it down." -Interview with Bob Woodward, March 19, 2020
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I guess I'm confused why you think the same hurdles faced by Trump in the past 4 years wouldn't also be faced by the other side.
Obama signed *way* too many executive orders. But to borrow from the GOP playback, uh, he could. People let him do what he did.
Bush started an entire generation of *war* while end-running constitutional processes... because he could! We are still in Iraq, still in Afghanistan. Guantanamo is still open.
So... you tell me, given this, how 4 years of anyone would be any different?
Or is it simply that, given how successful Trump has been at simply ignoring the law and Constitution, you fear the Dems will do likewise and turn this country commie with the snap of fingers? I don't think they will have the balls, to be honest.
I mean, is that *really* your bogeyman? Seems really... really unlikely. To use that as a rallying cry for Trump is ignorant at best.
It's sad to me that we lost McCain, and he should have won instead. But here we are, and I cannot in good conscience vote for Trump. I abstain on this election.
It is good to know you never claim any deductions in your taxes. A true American, finally.
You might want to do some reading on McCain's personal life. The guy was a giant D-bag.
I hope you spend some time away from mass media to review propaganda & cognitive dissonance. Some introspection will likely bring you back to critical thought. It's incredible how effective the information warfare is against peoples of all backgrounds.
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One can cherry pick incidents on both sides that range from unsavory to shameful to illegal.
Unless one was actually there, or is privy to some pretty solid info though, one does not at all know what really happened in any of the cases.
In any job people do not get everything right. When you are the President and things don't go right sometimes people die....or worse.
When you are the head of what must be the biggest organization on the planet sometimes other people are in error, or don't act in good faith...and guess who gets the blame? Especially when those who fancy themselves in charge of placing the blame are out to get you.
Trump's biggest mistake as politician was alienating the media and picking a personal fight with Pelosi/Schumer, but he's not a politician, that's who he really is....
The only things I can know for certain is....where am I.
In spite of a worldwide killer pandemic, my family is healthy, as am I, indeed everybody I know is physically untouched by this worldwide killer plague....
I know I am better off financially than I was before Trump.
MY civil rights, while certainly no less infringed upon, are no more infringed upon.
Think about this my friend.....the truth of the matter is in a two person race, and especially so in a case where the vote is likely going to be very very close......a NO vote for Trump is exactly the same thing as a yes vote for Biden. Well....although in the POR of MA maybe neither one really matters....and with the mail in vote fraud it's likely no-one's vote matters.
If indeed you are a gun owner, if that how you ended up here on this site......when Biden wins, expect to see Beto knocking on your door shortly. Your gun ownership will be history.
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allen-1
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In 2016 I had a choice between voting for Trump or voting for Clinton.
For a multitude of reasons, I'd set myself on fire before I voted for Clinton.
I voted for Trump.
In 2020 I have a choice between Biden/Harris and Trump/Pence.
I'm voting for Trump.
This does not mean that I think he's the best person for the job - it means that of the candidates running - he's the best pick.
For a multitude of reasons, I'd set myself on fire before I voted for Clinton.
I voted for Trump.
In 2020 I have a choice between Biden/Harris and Trump/Pence.
I'm voting for Trump.
This does not mean that I think he's the best person for the job - it means that of the candidates running - he's the best pick.
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You're the small businessman, not me.
But I sure hope that before placing every restocking order,
you make a very objective evaluation
of demand for guns of any pedigree - even mutts,
versus the rebounding supply of popular guns.
You don't want to sleepwalk through filling out that order,
because all bubbles burst.
I wouldn't envy you being stuck with a lot of odd ball items
that you suddenly can no longer unload at a profit
once the panic ebbs.
You're the small businessman, not me.
There have been at least three sources of increased demand:
- The snowball probably started down the mountain with the coronavirus shutdowns. Countless millions of people got their start at prepping by hoarding toilet paper. It didn't take much imagination to fear the food supply chain might dry up, to followed by apocalyptic gangs roving about, looking for food.
- George Floyd riots, looting, vandalism and violence quickly became widespread, and lots of people suddenly wanted to buy their first guns for self-defense. (Not to mention existing gun owners becoming suddenly dissatisfied with their own home inventory of guns'n'ammo).
- The unprecedented lockdown's unemployment has screwed bigly with the economy; especially among people that never had a decent job before in their life. This, and the Donks' strategic attack on election security through mail-in vote fraud, has put the radical gun-grabbing party within reach of the Presidency - in an election year that started out with a slam-dunk for the incumbent being a foregone conclusion.
each blending into the next.
Has each wave been higher than the one before it, perhaps?
It would take governments doubling-down on shutdowns
to reinvigorate coronavirus gun demand.
Riots will ebb and flow with new bad shoots,
the results of criminal cases,
and whether or not governments are driven
to do something about looting and arson.
Demand driven by uncertainty about the nation's political direction
will implode or explode within a very few months,
and the ultimate outcome is only the realm of
fervent and rank speculation for a few months.
But it's worth separating concerns when trying to figure
out where demand is all going.
The vast majority of whom had co-morbidities,
assuming they actually even had coronavirus at all.
Assisted living facilities and nursing homes must be getting
a real kick in the nuts. They're being hollowed-out by disease,
their prospective customer base is being decimated by the same disease,
(there's even a tinfoil conspiracy theory that the ChiComs engineered the virus
to kill the elderly, merely to reduce their own country's cost of elder care)
and their operating expenses have soared because of unbudgeted
sanitation labor, infrastructure, and materials.
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MountainGood, please get as many of your liberal/leftist friends to follow your lead.
One correction to your post above......Trump did not alienate the leftist media......they were already bought and paid for and totally against him before he ever set foot in a primary debate......and they've gotten exponentially worse by the day ever since.
He had no choice but to ignore them and continue to call them out for their daily propaganda lies they spread.
Well, sorta..... ironically, at the beginning, the media being shitty to him is one of the things that ultimately propelled him to the White House. He trolled the shit out of them and succeeded. And to this day they still fall for it.
MSM:
"Trump said this"
"Trump said that"
"Lookit what TRUMP said today ZOMG!"
"Can U beleive what TRUMP said what an a**h***!!!"
"zomg TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!"
x 5000 or something.
Then they try to get him with stuff like this.... and its like they drop a lit ash into a bowl of gasoline in the process.....
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And 5 billion dollars in free advertising by MSM shit media later, it propelled Trump directly into the white house, over his entirely forgettable, disgusting, sewer grate turd trap opponent, shitlery clinton.
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deerdad
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Well, at least NOW we know what happens to the people who breast fed until they were well into elementary school. They sure have a strange way of thinking. Back to topic, the claim from the news was that it was due to so many people who were getting hunting licenses for the first time that was driving the shortages.
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(In some sense).
StevieP
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^^ This.
On THIS board, I think you'll find a lot of single-issue voters.
I'm pro-2A. Biden/Harris and the rest of the Dems are not. Nuf Ced on that one.
I'm for strong borders, yet easier ability to become a legal citizen. Remove incentives for coming here illegally (fine businesses that hire illegals would be a good start)
I'm pro-life but don't necessarily want to see Roe-v-Wade overruled. I just don't want .gov paying for any of it. It should be none of .gov's business.
I don't know what the answer is for healthcare, but giving yet more control of it to government is a terrible idea.
I'm for smaller government and lower taxes
I am NOT for de-funding the police. I wish people would just stop calling the police for everything that bothers them. Inviting .gov into your lives rarely has positive result. Find other ways at remediation other than calling 9-1-1.
I pretty much reject the entire progressive agenda. So I can't vote for any Democrat.
To stay on-topic re: ammo shortages. Some of the LGSes around here still have stock on common ammo. one- or two-box limits on most, though.
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