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Guide to gun rights in your Massachusetts town

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  1. DarthRevan

    DarthRevan Instructor NES Member

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    Apply for the LTC anyways even if you’re not going to buy pistols or large capacity rifles. It costs the same and you may change your mind later on.
     
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  2. Stephan123

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    thank you for your reply, that already helps a lot! What does "PP" stand for?
     
  3. Glocklike tendencies

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    Federally Prohibited person, a person that has a disqualifier, such as a felony conviction, etc.
     
  4. Stephan123

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    Thank you for the clarification. No we both don't have any issues with that :) no PP
     
  5. Len-2A Training

    Len-2A Training Instructor Instructor NES Life Member NES Member

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    Every bit of the prior response is incorrect/bad advice.

    1. Process for FID and LTC is the same. True about court approval for denial of FIDs, but it is a mere rubber stamp. Truth be told, it is very rare for someone with no criminal record to be denied a LTC. Cost is the same and flexibiltiy is very limited for FID, so go for the LTC.

    2. You need a MSP approved LTC course to get your LTC. NY Hunter Ed course is good for getting a hunting license . . . after you get your LTC.

    3. Bring it with you, lock it up until licensed. Nobody will hassle you if the PD takes more than 60 days as long as you do your part. Also by bringing it with you you will NOT have to register it, so the PD and state will never know that you even have it. All perfectly legal.
     
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    This is not true. Hunters safety course is sufficient

    https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section131p

     
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    An MA-approved hunting certificate is sufficient for an FID, not an LTC. But he does not have an MA-approved certificate, so it's irrelevant. Regardless he should be applying for an LTC, not an FID. Len is correct here.

    Len is also correct that once you have your LTC, an out of state hunting certificate is sufficient to get an MA hunting license.
     
  8. Len-2A Training

    Len-2A Training Instructor Instructor NES Life Member NES Member

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    A NY HE certificate won't fly for an FID or LTC, as Boston4567 points out, details matter!

    Also a number of MA chiefs/LOs will not accept a MA HE certificate for either a FID or LTC, even though MGL calls it out as acceptable. Sadly from my experience taking HE some years ago, I understand why! We were given incorrect (some felony quality) info from the EPO, nobody touched a gun, etc.
     
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  9. milktree

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    It sure looks like the law says a mass approved HE cert is good for an LTC or an FID. Where does the law make a distinction?

    Whether the issuing authority accepts it is a different matter.
     
  10. Len-2A Training

    Len-2A Training Instructor Instructor NES Life Member NES Member

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    I'm not going to go read the statute but I know that it must be a MA HE course since they are obligated to teach MA gun law (what many do here is a joke, but it is what it is). Just like you can't take just any NRA BP or HFS course to qualify for a MA FID/LTC.

    And yes they use "discretion" and many won't accept the MA HE certs. I'm saying this based on info I have seen from LE.
     
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  11. Glocklike tendencies

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    Len, were you referring to my answer as bad advice?, i thought my answer was pretty spot on, and actually pretty much same as yours? i am always open to being corrected though, :)
     
  12. milktree

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    Reading comprehension fail:

    I misread A NY as a misspelling of “Any”, changing the meaning entirely.
     
  13. Len-2A Training

    Len-2A Training Instructor Instructor NES Life Member NES Member

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    Yes, I was referring to your response. Other replies crept in while I was typing mine.

    1. I feel that it isn't right to terrorize new folks that chiefs will deny folks willy nilly. Ever since Comm2A has come on the scene, chiefs have pulled back some of their unjust shenanigans as they KNOW that they will be sued.
    2. MSP doesn't approve HE courses. @Mister Happy can address HE better than I can but MGL calls it out for FID or LTC.
    3. Legal to move in with guns and huge advantage is that you never have to register them if you do that.
    4. Sorry but I feel what you posted didn't help a new guy looking for good advice. Nothing personal.

    LOL. Well auto-correct sometimes does mess up replies to mean something that wasn't intended.
     
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    No prob,
    so i was wrong about MSP approving HE course, but LTC course must be ok'd, sorry about that
    I guess i thought all firearms brought into the state must go to the gun portal, sorry about that
    And the" terrorizing" was a, better safe than sorry, prepare for the worst, type of answer, maybe not the best idea, i have been reading too many MA court cases on suitability. Sorry
    But, hey i was like 62% correct? 13% opinion and 25% terror?
    Kidding.
     
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  15. Len-2A Training

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    IIRC Comm2A released stats on denials and the numbers were infinitesimal. Thus I don't recommend bringing it up unless someone mentions a prior court appearance.
     
  16. Stephan123

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    Thanks for all the replies guys. I have read on here that sometimes the PD Chief requests something like "recommendation'" letters from 3 people. That seems against the law but probably not much we could do against. Is that for FID, LTC or both in some areas? Would people from outside MA count, since we only know people in NY?
     
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    You'd have to ask your PD what they want. There is nothing that lets them require letters of recommendation, but since that doesn't stop them, who knows what requirements they've made up to go along with the requirement.
     
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    I have published a book in June called GUN SENSE, it covers Ma law in a way that makes for easy reading. It covers how to write a 'Reason' letter with a template letter that can be tweaked to fit your circumstances. It also has a very good template letter for 'Letters of Recommendation' and much much more. It will help you navigate these so-called 'tough' towns were people think it is hard to exercise their rights on page 141. Check GUN SENSE out on Amazon. It is now rated #1 in the Shooting and Hunting section, the Kindle is rated #4 in the same section. It cover serious aspects of firearm safety as well. Good for anywhere you may live, not just Ma. specific. Mark Shean Sr.
     
  19. Stephan123

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    Sooo we will be moving to Weymouth and I just found out that the process is crazy with 3 letters of recommendation plus signed live fire practise, which then most likely still will only be a restricted LTC...now my question is what if we move in like 12 month to another town which is green? Can we apply for an unrestricted right away or do we have to wait until the old one runs out and then apply for unrestricted? Is it even possible to get an unrestricted after being issued a restricted ltc from a previous town?
     
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    Any letters and live fire are NOT required under MA law (even references are not required), but this kind of extra-legal requirement is becoming normal and people are complying so there you go, drink the kool aid and enjoy.

    If you move you can apply for a new LTC but you will need to convince the issuing authority of the original LTC to expire it early, so the CoP who issued the restricted has to be on-board with doing this. It's worked for some and not for others. Getting unrestricted is always up to the issuing authority, and yes people have gotten an unrestricted after getting a restricted.
     
  21. Stephan123

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    Thanks, crazy how these made up rules are all different throughout the state...and now we will be in one of the worst...
     
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    I'm actually looking to renew in Weymouth next week probably. Does anyone know if you can have your restrictions removed when you renew? I know that the town was dropped from that Comm2a suit after the plaintiffs were issued their unrestricted. Have they lightened up at all?
     
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    My son just had a pleasant experience in Lexington, where we had heard anecdotally that all new applicants were getting a Sporting restriction. I told him to very politely insist on unrestricted. That's what he got.
     
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    Weymouth was one of the towns that changed it's tune after beign sued. They now issue unrestricted.
    They still have the 3 letters and live fire requirement however.
     
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    Thats great, hope my wife will be able to get an unrestricted one!
     
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    Mansfield - applied for renewal in February, received LTC in mail at the end of last week (2nd week of July). Straightforward process (minus letter to chief), but that was a painful wait.
     
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