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Did I know you lived in that neighborhood? No. So how could I wish it to happen in yours?
As I stated above, I don't wish for violence upon anyone. I said domestic crime. There's a whole lot of non-violent domestic crime that can occur once the sounds of a gun range are muted by people who think the "sound of gunfire at a gun range" is "dangerous."
I know that anybody here who is involved with firearms would welcome the sound of gunfire at a range, because it would deter criminal activity. I hope that people who whine about "noise pollution" have the petty domestic stuff happen so they realize that having a gun range in the vicinity, especially one used by lots of LEOs, actually can deter those crimes from happening. This way, they will then realize that their local range is a blessing and a deterent to crime, so they can then rethink their attitudes about how bad a gun range really is, and plead to get it back once it is gone.
That was my whole gist. Since there shall be other people here who will intend to twist what I have typed to mean something other, there is no point in trying to justify my position on this any longer, and retire from this thread. Oi vey.
Couldn't a lot of this problem be solved if people used silencers on their guns when shooting at "sensitive" ranges?
Oh yeah, sorry - I forgot. Illegal in MA.
Murdock's petition has all of 60 signatures on it? I am planning on showing up to the hearing with a petition of my own. Anyone who lives in Groton that wants to sign it PM me.
Not for LE it's not. Just not practical (holsters for handguns with silencers would be quite a sight to behold ) and I don't know of any PDs that use them.
I bet there is a lot of "eff you " going on - on both sides of this debate.
How about whatever the local noise ordinance is? Why should gunfire be treated any differently than loud music or power tools?
Like Ward said above, a previous regime of the Groton PD was out of control. Everything he said happened, happened, and more.
The current group under Chief Palma is great. Because of the previous problems, they're also probably more sensitive wrt their image within the community than many other departments.
This 'range' is a big sandpit near the town dump, with a huge natural berm. The nearest house is more than 1/2 mile away, in the opposite direction from where they're aiming. The residents' complaint about lead getting in the groundwater is unbelievably laughable: Halfway between the sandpit and the houses is a friggin capped landfill!
I bet the only reason the residents are even being given lip service is because of the residue from the previous police situation here.
I was a member of a club once that allowed the cops to use it. Two sometimes three days a month the range was CLOSED to all but the cops! We pay the dues and we can't use our range up to three days a month? When they closed the range that meant the club was closed to all. We could not even go to our club to watch!! I find when the cops get involved in a privet club nothing good happens.
Think of living within 0.5 miles of the range at the South Post of Devens
The current Groton P.D. is nothing like what was there in the past. There is no comparing the two there not even close. Groton PD has good people working there
If you live in Groton please consider attending the public hearing:
SELECTMEN'S MEETING ROOM
GROTON TOWN HALL
Monday Oct 4 @ 7:00 pm
I'm working on getting a copy of Murdock's petition for review.
Murdock's petition said:We, the undersigned, do hereby request that the Board of Selectmen of the
Town of Groton, MA, issue a cease and desist order and immediately close the
gun shooting range on the Groton DPW grounds and to enjoin the participants
from firing weapons at this location anytime in the future. Noise from this activity
is seriously interfering with reasonable enjoyment of our homes.
I have seen some of the local cops shoot, and am amazed to find out that their yearly qualify is the only time they shoot their weapons.. you would think that if you have on your hip something that could and very well would save your life, you would be more than proficient using it..
I live in a direct flight path for aircraft landing at Newark airport. You think I have a chance getting the airport shut down because of noise. I don't think so!
As a society, we have become far too intolerant. We whine about someone else smoking, even outdoors! We complain when someone uses rude language, even if it wasn't directed at us! We moan if the river or sewage plant smells too much. We protest when the local factory makes some noise. We can't stand the rumble of trucks making deliveries, or the smell of their exhaust. We move in near the airport (or, in this case, the shooting range) and then we think that they should be quieter or change their habits.(Just ask some pilots about the dangerous flight plans they are forced to follow in an effort at noise-abatement!)
What's the word that pilots sometimes use when speaking to controllers? Ah, yes, I remember now. "Unable."This was part of my comment on the site... and there have been numerous complaints over the years by commercial pilots about what they consider to be dangerous maneuvers on take-off required by noise-abatement agreements.
The idiots that bought homes close to the range that were not told by the realtor there was a range nearby need to shut up, move or sue the realtor.