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In all seriousness I don't see how anyone can be pissed about someone out there making an honest buck. It's not like you have to buy from them. They advertise their price, you either pay it, or look somewhere else. Same as when I buy groceries. I shop at market basket because they are cheaper. Shopping at Hannafords is like wallet rape in comparison. I don't go running around yelling that Hannafords price gouges though. True this is not a perfect comparison but I'm trying to make a point. You can still find things at reasonable prices. One of those places is on here, from the classifieds or from other green members. Shop around, make yourself heard in how you spend your dollars. And if you can't find a lower price anywhere well then thats just the new price of that item!
 
What......you didn't think that was funny Dub-man? Afraid it ain't original.....rather an old line directed at cav. I mean, since he's a Mountie and all. Alas, I failed.

You're making friends fast. [rolleyes] (hey, I can use smileys too) I don't care who your misguided attempts at being a macho dumbass are directed at. You failed to make your points, but you're proving my point, so thanks.

Oh, & it's Dub-girl. Get it right.
 
I wonder if pissed and dismayed flow from the same root stock. Funny you should mention Market Basket, we used to be loyal Hannaford people too, until this year.

Ultimately, your purchase is based on any small number of variables which can include, fear, marketing, obscession, ego......everyone's human condition while different, generally contains most of these.

I've had a goal for about three years now to round out a few basic wants, so I'm almost there, and I don't disagree. Wait it out.......bite the bullet or don't, it is a personal choice.
 
OK... One more post.

Your flowery prose indicates a "smarter that ya'll" attitude. Your bad grammar and misspelling indicate either a drinking problem of a big whiff on the first premise.

Knock it the F off.

Welcome to the forum. Read more, post less, and get a feel for the place before you start shitting on people. I don't care how smart you think you are.

I tried to be nice but you pushed it. Not on me, because I don't mind (take it to PM if you want) but don't shit on the other people here.
 
You're making friends fast. [rolleyes] (hey, I can use smileys too) I don't care who your misguided attempts at being a macho dumbass are directed at. You failed to make your points, but you're proving my point, so thanks.

Oh, & it's Dub-girl. Get it right.

Au contraire, I think I made my point. It's called fair play. Yours still seems vague, so I'll await your analysis as to what condescending manner you feel I must bow to in your eyes. As for friends, they weren't a priority, I have those in abundance like most people, but great, we both finished iconography, so we're off to a good start.
See that's it, I'm not interested in taking either dictation nor direction save being guided to the dessert bar. I came here merely to commiserate over the price of a firearm before getting jumped, at which point it was my own darn fault for not know by osmosis that "y'ouse guys wuz just funnin!".....or did you not bother to read the first part? My guess is not. And if you did, then this is some bizarre tribal ritualistic greeting.
I suspect what you don't like is that the "new guy" isn't willing to offer passive resistance correct?------got to earn my stripes and know by place. Is that it? I've got news for you. Play nice, I'll play nice. Act liked a dumbassette, (I'm making that up as the feminine tense), I'll be your dumbass. Typical schoolground rules I think. I didn't come here to be insulted, nor insult.
Lastly, if you don't mind, I think I'll just knight you dub.......or is that dub you knight. No matter, I think you get my point.
 
Au contraire, I think I made my point. It's called fair play. Yours still seems vague, so I'll await your analysis as to what condescending manner you feel I must bow to in your eyes. As for friends, they weren't a priority, I have those in abundance like most people, but great, we both finished iconography, so we're off to a good start.
See that's it, I'm not interested in taking either dictation nor direction save being guided to the dessert bar. I came here merely to commiserate over the price of a firearm before getting jumped, at which point it was my own darn fault for not know by osmosis that "y'ouse guys wuz just funnin!".....or did you not bother to read the first part? My guess is not. And if you did, then this is some bizarre tribal ritualistic greeting.
I suspect what you don't like is that the "new guy" isn't willing to offer passive resistance correct?------got to earn my stripes and know by place. Is that it? I've got news for you. Play nice, I'll play nice. Act liked a dumbassette, (I'm making that up as the feminine tense), I'll be your dumbass. Typical schoolground rules I think. I didn't come here to be insulted, nor insult.
Lastly, if you don't mind, I think I'll just knight you dub.......or is that dub you knight. No matter, I think you get my point.


Dude, I don't even know where to begin. You need spell check & some grammar lessons.

No, I don't get your point...I think we're all scratching our collective heads.

Dub you.
 
It's "florid prose", and this isn't even good. It's clumsy, and sophomoric. Sounds like the fat kid in Junior High who struggled to make up for his social awkwardness by being the "brain", but never quite managed it.

It's gonna be a long climb back up from the hole you've dug, Dboy.
 
Au contraire, I think I made my point. It's called fair play. Yours still seems vague, so I'll await your analysis as to what condescending manner you feel I must bow to in your eyes. As for friends, they weren't a priority, I have those in abundance like most people, but great, we both finished iconography, so we're off to a good start.
See that's it, I'm not interested in taking either dictation nor direction save being guided to the dessert bar. I came here merely to commiserate over the price of a firearm before getting jumped, at which point it was my own darn fault for not know by osmosis that "y'ouse guys wuz just funnin!".....or did you not bother to read the first part? My guess is not. And if you did, then this is some bizarre tribal ritualistic greeting.
I suspect what you don't like is that the "new guy" isn't willing to offer passive resistance correct?------got to earn my stripes and know by place. Is that it? I've got news for you. Play nice, I'll play nice. Act liked a dumbassette, (I'm making that up as the feminine tense), I'll be your dumbass. Typical schoolground rules I think. I didn't come here to be insulted, nor insult.
Lastly, if you don't mind, I think I'll just knight you dub.......or is that dub you knight. No matter, I think you get my point.

You're drunk, right?

ETA: Nothing wrong with that, I might be too. Let's just take it to PM. OK?
 
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Well actually Ed.......I'm giving it consideration right about now.

I just deleted my reply but behavior is a two way street, my friend, but I'm in total agreement with you. Blast away off line if you must.
 
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Well actually Ed.......I'm giving it consideration right about now.

I just deleted my reply but behavior is a two way street, my friend, but I'm in total agreement with you. Blast away off line if you must.

Cool! I'm still waiting on the PM. Really, I am.

In the meantime, keep crapping up the forum.
 
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There isn't any f***ing gouging going on. Anyone who thinks there is needs to re-shift their anger towards capitalism.
 
Seems like the thread veered a little off course. Yes, the pricing on all things firearms related have gone through the roof. For many of us, we knew it was going to happen well over a year ago, some a lot longer and planned accordingly. There where posts upon posts of prepping for the eventual and it sounded much like all the posts now popping up on price gouging but replace the words may and could with has and is. There was no way the republicans were going to hold the White House or the Senate. The democratic fore runners where anti-gun. Then the economy really insured a democratic victory, though there were posts upon posts of it tanking way before the general public knew. And then, the rush was on. What's disturbing is that this all is probably caused by the same people that voted it in. The whole situation is a paradox. The irony is not lost on me. As for the "gouging" (price increases), I really don't have to deal with it. I'm one of the few that went out on a limb (got while the getting was good) and prepped for it starting well over 2 years ago. To be honest, as compaired to most, I'm sitting on a friggin gold mine. As for firearms, I completed the "evil" side many years ago and am now almost done with the whole go anywhere, do anything collection. I've only 2 more (was 3 before yesterday, Carl, sorry, deal was almost yours, a nice Vaquero, polished stainless in .357 to go with the others, but I was there, it was there, next time, the drives a bitch, I need a Marlin 1894C, that'll be yours) to go and they are "Fudd" guns. I know I'm sounding like a dick, "he's got his so screw everyone else", that's not it. Fact is, you missed the boat, even though there was a ton of information around letting you know the time of departure. I could say a lot more but that's the long and short of it.
 
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"Gouging" is in the eye of the beholder. If you would sell your house for the most you could get in a hot market (ie, the old days) rather than charge a fair markup, you are a gouger. The usual reaction is "It's not gouging when it's MY money we're talking about" but, in actuality, the situation is identical - free market price setting.

Some shops try to make the most killing on an individual sale. Others are more concerned about long term relationships since they know many people will be loyal to a shop for many years. It actually works out pretty well - there are shops that may not always have the short supply items but you know will not gouge for the stuff they have in stock, as well as those that gouge - but are far more likely to have that rare gun or box of primers if you're willing to pay the price. Both serve a legitimate niche in the market.
 
What some think is gouging is actually capitalism,ya know the thing that made this once great country great.What you see happening with guns and ammo is nothing but greed.Greed is good if you are selling,not so much if you are buying.

Bottom line is if you think it's expensive,don't buy it.The only problem nowadays is some idiot WILL pay $2500 for an AR.The problem we are facing is due to people not shopping around and buying that fancy AR hanging on the wall at any cost.

I have consignment stories that will blow everybodys mind,people really are stupid when it comes to buying guns.

Also,gouging can't occur on non essential items.
 
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I understand what's being said, and as I'd stated earlier, I understand reasonable profit, but its as you say....there are more than a few AR's going for $2,300 and over, and people are paying it.
In my case I started about three years out with a systematic approach of buying those weapons which I felt completed a circle for me, and save this last one, that loop is almost closed.
In all actuality, I felt that I had planned far enough in advance, but two factors dinged the paint on my goal, one being that disposable income played a critical role so in effect, time was money. Secondly, economic downturn flanked me, and the ensuing panic led to markup, which sealed the fate on the final leg of my journey.
Suprisingly, it even affected CMP, which went up on their '06, but you really can't complain about that. Their prices have been low forever, and their markup wasn't unreasonable.
Not that it's any suprise but strategic planning and economics are key I suppose. I'll get there, but the present situation has made it more difficult to attain the end goal.
 
Also,gouging can't occur on non essential items.

This.

And I'm sorry, but guns and ammo are non-essential items. There's a difference between buying a gun when you probably already have dozens and trying to buy gas after Hurricane Katrina just hit, but the gas station owner just jacked up the price of gas to $10/gallon. That's gouging. High prices on guns isn't. People need to get over it. There is no gouging going on.
 
I understand what's being said, and as I'd stated earlier, I understand reasonable profit, but its as you say....there are more than a few AR's going for $2,300 and over, and people are paying it.

There's no such thing as "reasonable" profit. Profit is profit.

"Reasonable" is a matter of opinion. If you, in your opinion, think someone is charging too much for an item you are in no way, shape or form obligated to purchase it.

These gouging threads are getting old.
 
The bottom line is if you guys want the prices to go down, stop buying shit.. (or at least buying shit you don't NEED immediately )Get all your friends to stop
buying shit at shit prices. This whole problem is being caused by herds of a**h***s going:

"OMFGZ wahtshoodwedo omfg this guy has one Olympic AR left its $2500 im gonna buy it now before guns get banned tomorrow omfgs!!!!!"

If every joe fungohead that thought this then thought "hey waitaminute, this price is f***ing stupid! I'm not paying that. " and waited, then the prices would ultimately fall. The consumers can "game" the industry, too.

The industry has seen these suckers thousand of miles away and has adjusted prices accordingly in a lot of cases. Yes, there are people that are less than honest, or are opportunistic. That's part of a free market... you're mad and wanna punish these people, don't buy their shit. It's that simple. In a lot of cases it's as simple as spending a little more time to try to find something at a better price. Even the net effect of people only paying the lowest available prices by itself will cause market shifts, because ultimately the market will not support the higher prices.

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Guns and ammo are non-essential items for the vast majority of the public. They are more elastic than something like, say, gasoline, or food, or water in the case of an emergency.

Whether or not you or I think they are essential is irrelevant.
 
The bottom line is if you guys want the prices to go down, stop buying shit.. (or at least buying shit you don't NEED immediately )Get all your friends to stop
buying shit at shit prices. This whole problem is being caused by herds of a**h***s going:

"OMFGZ wahtshoodwedo omfg this guy has one Olympic AR left its $2500 im gonna buy it now before guns get banned tomorrow omfgs!!!!!"

Amen to that!
 
The bottom line is if you guys want the prices to go down, stop buying shit.. (or at least buying shit you don't NEED immediately )Get all your friends to stop
buying shit at shit prices. This whole problem is being caused by herds of a**h***s going:

"OMFGZ wahtshoodwedo omfg this guy has one Olympic AR left its $2500 im gonna buy it now before guns get banned tomorrow omfgs!!!!!"

If every joe fungohead that thought this then thought "hey waitaminute, this price is f***ing stupid! I'm not paying that. " and waited, then the prices would
ultimately fall. The consumers can "game" the industry, too.

The industry has seen these suckers thousand of miles away and has adjusted prices accordingly in a lot of cases. Yes, there are people that are less than honest, or are opportunistic. That's part of a free market... you're mad and wanna punish these people, don't buy their shit. It's that simple. In a lot of cases it's as simple as spending a little more time to try to find something at a better price. Even the net effect of people only paying the lowest available prices by itself will cause market shifts, because
ultimately the market will not support the higher prices.

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Mike - 99% of your posts should be stickied and put into their own sub-forum - you make a lot of sense a lot of the time my friend...[cheers]
 
Let's just say that I surf to stay current on the prices, from Gun Broker, to whoever else pops up when I type in the basic criteria on Google.
I'm not desperate for this rifle, but I intend on owning one. I understand the market variables, the fear, and the waiting periods in which, gun dealers seem to feel they are justified in raising prices. There is a normal variable, and then there are those based purely on greed, and I know that most of you will nod in agreement as to what I'm speaking of.

My concern, which is not based on fear, is the unrelenting attack by our current Administration on justifying control which, while muted right now, will become a crescendo over the ensuing months until they feel it is time to first start banning semi-auto's. After that, expect to have to bring in your firearms to be "registered", and list as well your ammo stockpiles.

I'm not a fear monger, I have faith in the 2nd Amendment and those who would uphold it, but there are those in Washington much more cleaver than myself who will probably find a way to circumvent the system. It is this element that we guard ourselves against IMO. I don't fear, I don't buy the hype or take part with those who feel a need to stockpile, but I watch....and I note. I'm not stupid.

I'll continue to watch and wait, and when the time is right, I'll move. I suppose this thread is based more about my personal disgust for the ugly side of capitalism and those who would take advantage.....not that, that's new.

There is no such thing as "price gouging". Nobody is obligated to give you a good deal. Every time you buy something you have the choice of purchasing at the price the person advertises, walking away and looking for a better price somewhere else, trying to bargain the price down, purchasing an entirely different item - or leaving you money in your wallet.

Only ignorant people, people who want to get something for nothing - and socialist liberals who feel entitled to get things for nothing would think there is price gouging.

You feel threatened by the administration - yet you adhere to one of their beliefs which rise out of their beliefs in socialism - which is price controls.


If you intend on owning one then continue doing what you are doing right now - searching for a good price. If you TRULY believe what you said:

the unrelenting attack by our current Administration on justifying control which, while muted right now, will become a crescendo over the ensuing months until they feel it is time to first start banning semi-auto's.

then the "gouging" price you are seeing right now is simply the market reflecting what people believe these rifles will be worth in the future. What you have is two conflicting views: 1) that they will ban semi-auto's - and: 2) that the rifle is priced too high.

Either one of those could be true - but not BOTH of them.

Stop acting like a liberal and expecting a handout. If you truly believe that they will ban semi-auto's then you should also admit that the price that is being asked today may well be a bargain in the future.

If you don't like the $1800 price on Gunbroker - then go buy at Four Seasons and support a businessman who charges a decent price. Let the guy who is trying to get $1800 for the same thing sit on his rifle and go out of business.

You will not change things by believing in the very same things you claim to oppose.

Or maybe we need bailouts now to afford over-priced rifles?

There is no ugly side of capitalism. There are only free choices. If you refuse to exercise free will - then guess what: you will get taken. This is a simple human truth that has been true since man first started exchanging shiny rocks with each other and will remain true until the day we are all wiped out by aliens or the sun explodes.

Stop feeding the ignorance.
 
Guns and ammo are non-essential items for the vast majority of the public. They are more elastic than something like, say, gasoline, or food, or water in the case of an emergency.

Whether or not you or I think they are essential is irrelevant.

Good point and +1.

Essential is the car you use to get to work, groceries, doctor appointments etc.

Non-essential is the convertible you take out on weekends.

I'd bet most here have their "essential" firearm HD or CCW all set. The non-essential stuff might be that target 1911, or third AR that only sees range use. Nice to have but do you really NEED it (from a strictly economic standpoint)? I know that 2A rights allow for as many firearms as you want but we're talking economics here. If you have what you need for protection, you really can not complain about gouging on sufff beyond that. Wait up, pay up, or shut up.

Chris
 
Mike - 99% of your posts should be stickied and put into their own sub-forum - you make a lot of sense a lot of the time my friend...[cheers]

In my opinion if [drgrant] Mike could have all his post in a book it be a best seller on this forum.
 
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