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Hardly one of the dumber things. You have that category completely wrapped up on this forum. Nobody could possibly compete with your ramblings.
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Hardly one of the dumber things. You have that category completely wrapped up on this forum. Nobody could possibly compete with your ramblings.
... after 40+ pages and hundreds of the nastiest comments I’ve ever seen on this forum, where’s the pony in this roomful of manure, to paraphrase Ronald Reagan? Do we know any more than when you started the thread? Unlocked the mysteries of the GOAL financial structure? Or have you started something that’s snowballing into serious fugliness?
.... Ads don’t just come floating in over the transom. Somebody has to sell them, and ads are a tough sell. I wouldn’t expect 100% of the advertisers to renew if someone new took over. What are the costs of printing, paper and postage? Higher than you think.
If GOAL does this in-house, it means at least one more employee, with a salary, health care, workman’s comp, computer, phone, office setup, software, car allowance, etc....
...So who should publish the newsletter? Put it out to bid? Should GOAL do it in-house? It requires editing a lot of raw copy into readable English, laying out the pages, including the ads, and delivering it all to the printer by a hard deadline. Then there’s maintaining the subscriber list, adding and subtracting names, checking zip codes and membership numbers, etc., etc., and probably hauling the bundles to the post office. Ads don’t just come floating in over the transom. Somebody has to sell them, and ads are a tough sell. I wouldn’t expect 100% of the advertisers to renew if someone new took over. What are the costs of printing, paper and postage? Higher than you think.
If GOAL does this in-house, it means at least one more employee, with a salary, health care, workman’s comp, computer, phone, office setup, software, car allowance, etc. If it’s done by a commercial outfit, there are all those costs, plus profit. Are you all comfortable with our home and email addresses being handed over to an outside firm? I’m not....
I don't think anyone here has a problem with GOAL raising funds.
They're supposed to get $5 per head for NES shoots hosted at clubs too.
Discussing how much a newsletter/paper should cost, how hard or easy it is to publish, and who should be doing it are side issues.
The elephant in the room is SHOW ME THE MONEY. To whom is it going and for what. That seems to be the central question here.
Just sayin.......
First NRA did not win SCOTUS cases, SAF did. In Heller NRA was not there, In McDonald NRA joined on after SAF pushed the case to the Supreme Court.
NRA never took the lead in any case, They always wanted some one else to do it, so that they did not get soiled.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but GOAL has done the same thing.
For those reading who are not familiar with me, I am a member of the BOD elected for my first term this year. Prior to this year I knew Mr. Yancino only by reputation (both good and ill).
As for the chain of events preceding the OP in this thread...I was present when Bob P presented a group letter and his own commentary on his concerns at the last regular BOD meeting. The issue was assigned to a member of the BOD to work on and I was not privy to the events beyond that point so I will not discuss them here. I will be interested to hear the other side of things and review the communications in their entirety.
Whether they were handled poorly on one side or both sides, I would have been surprised to see a full report sent out before the full BOD had a chance to discuss it. I am sorry that many of you view that as bureaucratic BS or an indication of shady dealings. From my perspective as a member of the BOD, I would want a chance for the BOD to review whatever the findings are and determine the BOD’s position and a course of action prior to releasing a report.
For the people who object to and/or question the current arrangement with TOM...Bob P has a letter on record with GOAL. What PRECISELY do the rest of you want? What specific information do you want the BOD to provide to you? Come to the meeting and tell us in person or if you can’t come to the next meeting, please sit down and write a letter to the BOD.
According to the National Center for Charitable Statistics, in 2009, there were nearly 1.6 million nonprofits in the United States, more than 75,000 in Florida. Recently, the IRS revoked the tax-exempt status of thousands of organizations that had consistently neglected to file 990 forms, clearly a good move.
But how can anyone honestly argue that these related-party transactions should take place in the dark, with details concealed from members? The solution is very simple: produce clear financials with notes regarding related-party transactions. At that point, each of us can decide if we think GOAL is deserving of our funding. It's a simple request for easily produced information that members should have been provided in the first place. And I am very grateful that Bob P had the courage and tenacity to pursue this.
I think too much attention was given to this matter this time.
I think too much attention was given to this matter this time.
Earlier it was mentioned that GOAL may be missing 990 forms for several years. I looked around and was also unable to find them on the usual websites that publish these forms. These forms are a legal requirement. If true this is a sign of really bad management, at a minimum.
No one is arguing that anything should take place in the dark. GOAL has a small staff and volunteer board, and maybe those numbers aren't right at their fingertips. Nicole explained the process. Bob P wasn't told he would never get an answer - he just wasn't satisfied with the timing, so he started a rant here that's done nothing but damage GOAL, corrode the atmosphere here on NES and give aid and comfort to the anti side. IMO, he and his group should have had a little more patience with the process, and then reacted if he wasn't happy. Instead it's all torches and pitchforks over
what? The fact that the FOUNDER of GOAL and his family have a contract to publish the org's newspaper and they aren't doing it for free?
No one is arguing that anything should take place in the dark. GOAL has a small staff and volunteer board, and maybe those numbers aren't right at their fingertips. Nicole explained the process. Bob P wasn't told he would never get an answer - he just wasn't satisfied with the timing, so he started a rant here that's done nothing but damage GOAL, corrode the atmosphere here on NES and give aid and comfort to the anti side. IMO, he and his group should have had a little more patience with the process, and then reacted if he wasn't happy. Instead it's all torches and pitchforks over
what? The fact that the FOUNDER of GOAL and his family have a contract to publish the org's newspaper and they aren't doing it for free?
No one is arguing that anything should take place in the dark. GOAL has a small staff and volunteer board, and maybe those numbers aren't right at their fingertips. Nicole explained the process. Bob P wasn't told he would never get an answer - he just wasn't satisfied with the timing, so he started a rant here that's done nothing but damage GOAL, corrode the atmosphere here on NES and give aid and comfort to the anti side. IMO, he and his group should have had a little more patience with the process, and then reacted if he wasn't happy. Instead it's all torches and pitchforks over
what? The fact that the FOUNDER of GOAL and his family have a contract to publish the org's newspaper and they aren't doing it for free?
I said August was our next meeting. And I said the report will be reviewed at a meeting before being released. Unless you have some advance copy of the agenda I don't see how you can expect an answer then. For the record, the August meeting was called as a special meeting. The Sept meeting would have been the next regular meeting. I'm not saying you will need to wait for Sept, I don't know. It depends on the agenda for the August meeting which has not been published yet.
Now put down the pitchforks and allow the process to work.
According to the minutes, the board never stated a timeframe. If an individual did, then they made an error. As with most things in this regard, responses come under old business at the next meeting. I'm sorry the process was not explained, but this is how the process works.
Ranting here will not make it go faster. Speculating on no facts will not create truth. I do not know the whole story. I don't think any member of the board does. In any event, the answers will come when the report is presented.
And for those who think because the process is slow that something must be wrong, you are making assumptions that are without merit.
Let me repeat - we has two highly qualified members of NES run for the board last year and they lost. Clearly, this forum is NOT representative of the GOAL members in general. Please keep that in mind. What might work for you might not be ideal for most.