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You'll come around to Glock... everyone eventually prays at the altar of Gaston.
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If you want a "big" gun, why are you limiting youself to 9mm?
Sweet - can’t wait to see another Shield in the classifieds!
Kidding - as long as you’re happy and comfortable with the purchase, that’s all that matters. Do post some pics of the rifle, please.
When G19s are available in MA for $350 (I paid that in 2017), it's really not much of a price difference, especially if you factor in the work a Shield needs to be sufficient; I think the Glock ends up being cheaper. Factor in $6-$12 magazines, too, for more savings. That said, I will take my CZ or P226 over the Glock in terms of "fun."You'll come around to Glock... everyone eventually prays at the altar of Gaston.
When G19s are available in MA for $350 (I paid that in 2017), it's really not much of a price difference, especially if you factor in the work a Shield needs to be sufficient; I think the Glock ends up being cheaper. Factor in $6-$12 magazines, too, for more savings. That said, I will take my CZ or P226 over the Glock in terms of "fun."
I was going to say how the heck did one get an all matching Mauser + Shield for $800, but I see the Mauser's been sporterized, that explains it. First thought was maybe a Mitchell's Mauser. A true matching unmolested Mauser usually fetches around $1000 last I checked; that explains the value difference.
>> "Pre-ban" Glock
No such thing.
1.) Unless you're a LEO with Blue Label pricing, you're not getting a new one for $350. But you can a.) get a used one for $350 and mail it to Glock in GA who will do a free complete refurbishment for just the cost shipping. When my G19 came back every part except the barrel, frame, and slide had been replaced--even the sights. Three pages of updated parts Just the price of shipping...and I had it back 7 days after mailing it. b.) Not $350, but for about "regular" pricing if you know the way you can still get a new Glock, legally. Of all the brand new Glocks in the classifieds, do you really think they're all from LEOs? Those of us who always post "ignore the damn list" know why--because a resourceful LTC holder can get whatever they want (obv. mag capacity is still an issue). But, for obvious reasons, those of us who know aren't going to post about it in an open forum that the AG's office is known to monitor. The low-knowledge/low-effort LTC holders are gonna buy a Gen 2 or pay the "MA premium."Where can I find Brand New Glock 19s for 350? Sign me up lol. Of course if you are referring to used you gotta also factor that a used M&P 9 is probably the price of a Taylor Ham and Egg lol.
But I do agree with you guys. I'm not saying the M&P is as good as a Glock 19. But it's 300 less and I can actually buy it without having to drive to a different cops house every 2 days until I find a decent Glock. Half of which look like they were on 6 tours in Afghanistan and they want 300 more then they paid because they have a "mod" which in actuality is a 60 dollar sight kit.
There is nothing wrong with sporterized, per se, as long as one paid accordingly and know what they have. The deed is done, typically, depending on what was done. For example, if drilled and tapped, or something; it's happened, accept it. Something like aftermarket sights, you can replace those back to original, usually.I might buy a non molested stock eventually. Considering Mausers are 4 digit serial numbers, it means thousands were made with the same exact number. Be a long shot but you never know. Odds are it won't be matching Serial but it'll look fantastic. And at 300 in, I still think it sits as a 600 dollar rifle. Especially considering it's all matching numbers. That's fairly rare even in molested form.
I can't wait to shoot it. Haven't fired a Mauser yet.
1.) Unless you're a LEO with Blue Label pricing, you're not getting a new one for $350. But you can a.) get a used one for $350 and mail it to Glock in GA who will do a free complete refurbishment for just the cost shipping. When my G19 came back every part except the barrel, frame, and slide had been replaced--even the sights. Three pages of updated parts Just the price of shipping...and I had it back 7 days after mailing it. b.) Not $350, but for about "regular" pricing if you know the way you can still get a new Glock, legally. Of all the brand new Glocks in the classifieds, do you really think they're all from LEOs? Those of us who always post "ignore the damn list" know why--because a resourceful LTC holder can get whatever they want (obv. mag capacity is still an issue). But, for obvious reasons, those of us who know aren't going to post about it in an open forum that the AG's office is known to monitor. The low-knowledge/low-effort LTC holders are gonna buy a Gen 2 or pay the "MA premium."
2.) If you look at total cost, if you add the near mandatory upgrades to a used Shield to make it "okay" into the cost, it's probably not much less than a $350 Glock. Then factor in the fact on sale you can get Glock magazines for $6, with regular Magpul price being about $12 per magazine. Pretty easy to come out ahead on the Glock and in my opinion it's far superior to a Shield.
Some people like Shields and that's fine, it's a matter of personal preference. I have fired three different Shields in different configurations (sights, triggers, etc.) and I say unequivocally that they are the second worst handgun I have ever fired. Lots of people like em, more power to them. There are plenty of people that don't like Glock grip angles, or whatever either. I don't love Glock but the reliability, sheer volume of aftermarket support, and customer service makes them a sort of "de facto" standard (outside of MA, anyway). If I try a CZ PCR and like it better, I will probably sell my Gen 5 Glock if I get a good price for it.
There is nothing wrong with sporterized, per se, as long as one paid accordingly and know what they have. The deed is done, typically, depending on what was done. For example, if drilled and tapped, or something; it's happened, accept it. Something like aftermarket sights, you can replace those back to original, usually.
Other than my M1s, my Mauser is my favorite milsurp (just ahead of my Lee-Enfield) and with the recent 200gr Nosler hand loads I've been making, easily holds x-ring at 100 yds on an SR-1.
It was a Gen 2 G19. The "lead" was via the Green Members Only section of the forum. A vendor was selling a stack of them and another green member gave us a "heads up." I "upgraded" to a Gen5 since I am left handed and the ambi slide lock and ambi mag release were worth it to me.If you sell your Gen 5 Glock, please let me know. Is it a 19 or 17? And thanks for the advice. But where can you find the used ones for 350? I've looked at the classifieds here and people want like 100 dollars more than what MSRP is. I thought I was at village sports lol. People asking 630 just because it has a pre ban mag that I didn't ask for.
Also are you talking Gen 1 and Gen 2 for 350 because I don't like them. I like Gen 4 and 5 best. Of course beggers can't be choosers.
But that's a great idea to have Glock service it. They service their guns for free? I didn't know they had the Ruger stimulus package in place. In what instances do they replace the barrel? Is it only if their is poor bore or will they replace it for minor defects like say pits or scuffs? What was up with yours?
At 350, you can't go wrong.
The Mauser was the shining star of today imo. I am in love with it. For 300. Even with the molested stock. Pretty good score.
Plenty of people modify their historical pieces to make them more enjoyable. People put Tech Sights on SKSs, non-permanent scopes on things, etc.I knew it looked off, just didn't know exactly what was off. But glad you filled the gap. My main thing when buying a WW2 Era Rifle is the provenance. I love the matching serial numbers and that it was a service rifle and not a civilian rifle as shown by the cartooshes.
I actually like it to hold like this too, It makes it lighter. Guess that's the reasoning. But still what kind a knucklehead down the road of the guns life would chop and file the guns stock? Like for crying out loud lol. But Hey. They weren't always collectible I guess. Their were millions of them and I assume half were made into end tables and used for hunting boar in the snow.
Can I have your opinion on something though? I priced a non molested stock for 200. It has beautiful cartoush markings. It has a different serial number of course. But it will be complete. That'd put me at a 500 dollar investment. Worth the buy to make it original or should I just keep it the way it is?
I think I will end up eventually buying an original stock to have both. I actually prefer the way it is to hold and probably shoot. But I wouldn't mind having it original.
So you had wanted a G17 because you wanted a full size pistol because you already have carry guns.
And you end up buying a shield??? So you just bought a single stack sub compact? You are really confusing me.
If you went to shooting supply, you really should have tried a Canik TP9 SF or SFX. Hands down, one of the best deals in striker fired guns in the world.. go back and pick one up.
Plenty of people modify their historical pieces to make them more enjoyable. People put Tech Sights on SKSs, non-permanent scopes on things, etc.
If the stock works for you and you enjoy it, no need to change it. I would say from an aesthetic perspective the correct stock looks better. Doesn't necessarily shoot better. A few people here have said they swap truly nice stock sets off of rifles when they go shooting or into "rough conditions" and then put the original stocks back on for display; I'd be worried about loosening it up over time (think M1 Garand lock up).
Not quite the same, but for my Saiga I swapped out the railed handguards it came with for some East German surplus. It doesn't necessarily shoot any better, but those handguards have some history and I like the look better.
Barring anything else that might have been done, $500 would still be a good deal to me.
You'll come around to Glock... everyone eventually prays at the altar of Gaston.
Only because of preban mag availability. If MA were a free state (mag-wise), it’d be M&P 9 all day.
You'll come around to Glock... everyone eventually prays at the altar of Gaston.
I had the idea to that with my M1 Garand. It's got a borderline flawless stock and is also a matching number. It's a greek expiditionary force M1. Known as a Greek Return. It's in fantastic shape. It has the insignia of a Greek soldier on the strap. I feel guilty to even shoot it.
Lol, but no, that has absolutely nothing to do with it.
-Mike
I don't see a disproportionate amount of Beretta 92s, for which there are ample prebans. Or P226s, for that matter, etc.I meant for me. For me it’d be M&P 9 all day. The only reason I’d buy a Glock in a free state is because it’d be $350 with the blue label program and I could use it as practice for an issued pistol.
But I do think that preban mag availability has something to do with the consistent Glock popularity in MA. Around the country, Glock has been losing market share as more polymer framed alternatives have been coming out with improvements. Don’t get me wrong, they still have a large market share though.
I don't see a disproportionate amount of Beretta 92s, for which there are ample prebans. Or P226s, for that matter, etc.
I'm not sure I agree. I always saw people falling into two camps with regard to Glocks in MA (in general):
1.) Those that find them a bit mystical because of the semi-scarcity. They think they are better than they really are, and are some sort of Excalibur or rara avis. A sort of mystique.
2.) The "just as good" crowd. Those that are like, "it's OK, I didn't really want a Glock anyway, my Shield is just as good, Glocks are overrated!" Presumably because they don't know/won't get one, so they try to justify to themselves that it's no loss to them.
I know a few people that are definitely in the # 2 camp.
I'm not either. I understand and respect Glock, but my G19 is not a pistol I get "excited" about taking to the range. For me it's a tool. Reliable carry, cheap accessories, etc.
I meant for me. For me it’d be M&P 9 all day. The only reason I’d buy a Glock in a free state is because it’d be $350 with the blue label program and I could use it as practice for an issued pistol.
But I do think that preban mag availability has something to do with the consistent Glock popularity in MA. Around the country, Glock has been losing market share as more polymer framed alternatives have been coming out with improvements. Don’t get me wrong, they still have a large market share though.
If I try a CZ PCR and like it better, I will probably sell my Gen 5 Glock if I get a good price for it.
Nope, that's not it, too, not even close. Look at most MA gun noobs, most of them aren't going to pay $80-120 to a rapist for a shitty U notch preban mag anyways . Losing some market share, sure, because that's inevitable with more choices in the marketplace, but there's a metric shit ton of reasons why it's pretty much the bedrock-standard of polymer framed pistols.
I can go to like 4 shops in a one hour radius of my house, and in a pinch basically get at least 75% of the parts in the gun. The same cannot be said for nearly anything else, Sig is about the
only one that comes close. (because over the years they've at least made half assed attempts at expanding support and training armorers. ) Everyone else's product might as well be made of unicorn farts. The aftermarket for most other brands is dog shit (or completely nonexistent) compared to Glock. Some of the other brands even restrict OEM parts distribution or availability.
Fun example- I bought an early G42 a few years ago and I had a trigger resetting issue during dry firing. (although it's worth mentioning, in live fire the gun worked perfectly, every time) I left it with one of my dealers and he was like "My glock rep/armorer is coming this week he'll look at it, instead of having to pay to send it back." The rep came and fixed my gun while he was there (upgraded trigger bar) and left me an extra magazine for the trouble.
Also it's one of the few guns that you can pretty much do everything short of removing the sights with ONE TOOL, and even a doesn't like gunsmithing type like me can take it apart and put it back together without breaking it. I can change parts to suit my needs, and rather easily, at that.
I'm not a glock bigot either, hell I have two P320s and a Phantom 2, and I used to own most of the HK USP product line, and at one point, a ton of Sig P series, but if you think it's about "preban mag compatibility" then you're smoking some of the reeeealy good stuff. I'm not saying the guns are perfect either, far from it (the ergonomics are terrible for some peoples hands) but there's a lot of reasons why they're basically the Estwing hammer of semiautomatic handguns. They're everywhere, and they work, and they usually don't f*** up- and you can get them in like 30 different sizes, calibers, and configurations.... and none of them are terribly expensive.... and in the past few years their QC has still been "above average" although since sandy hook that's not exactly a tough bar to beat.
-Mike
Get 1 of each!Hello folks!
The age old question lives on, one that has ended many of brotherhoods and probably led to at least 3 civil wars. The old Glock 17 vs Glock 19 debate.
I have decided to buy a Glock this week. I have went and fired the 19. Loved it. Adored it. The 17 is the same gun, just bigger. I kinda wanted a big gun. I already have so many conceal pistols. I don't really need it to be a pocket or hip gun. More of a inside of a huge jacket gun or just to have on the night stand.
So for this reason, I went from entertaining the 19 to entertaining the 17.
The 17 isn't as popular, but it's also the original Glock model.
The 17 has a slightly longer barrel, is slightly heavier. This leads me to believe its better for range shooting. It's a full size service pistol. Which is my main intent. But owners claim it's unoticable.
Which would you settle on if you had to pick one of the two? For just performance and nothing else. Not factoring concealing because I won't be using it for that. Just pure feel, grip and performance in the hand.
Thanks for any suggestions and tips.