Gilford (NH) Police Now Allowed To Carry Their Own Rifles On Duty

[snax]

You don't even know what a write off is.

Now, would that be a write off on a new rifle? I don't think you can write of an existing one. Wear and tear? .25 per round fired? If you do get a new one, can you depreciate it? Can I buy and write off handloading equipment?
These are the important questions.

 

[snax]

Fake problem, create a list of approved equipment, state "gun must be configured as from manufacturer and signed off/approved for duty use by dept armorer". Done.

I would bet anything that if more LEOs had to buy their own shit you wouldn't see guns getting left on the shitter in public places, or rifles getting stolen out of cars, shit like that. Most of that would evaporate.

-Mike

My friend an LEO. Had to buy his own duty gun and his own backup.
He could have any gun he wanted as long as it was a G19 or P226.
Backup had to be the G43? Or some model Kahr.

 

[fencer]

You don't even know what a write off is.

I know what a prick is. Perhaps a " Not sure if serious" reply would have been more appropriate. Yes, I am aware that if the item can be used for any thing other than your specific job, it is not allowed as a deduction. A cop could deduct uniform costs for example, but not a firearm.
I run a multi million dollar business and our accountants frequently advise us to spend money on things to reduce taxable income. I am also aware of the difference between a deduction, exemption and a tax credit. I guess next time I will use the ".../ sarcasm" notation so that readers won't jump to conclusions.
A prick, by the way, is making a small hole in something using an object with a fine point.

 

[Aaron[MA]]

I know what a prick is. Perhaps a " Not sure if serious" reply would have been more appropriate. Yes, I am aware that if the item can be used for any thing other than your specific job, it is not allowed as a deduction. A cop could deduct uniform costs for example, but not a firearm.
I run a multi million dollar business and our accountants frequently advise us to spend money on things to reduce taxable income. I am also aware of the difference between a deduction, exemption and a tax credit. I guess next time I will use the ".../ sarcasm" notation so that readers won't jump to conclusions.
A prick, by the way, is making a small hole in something using an object with a fine point.

The "you don't even know what a write off is" is a line. Seinfeld, I think?

 

[dhuze]

I know what a prick is. Perhaps a " Not sure if serious" reply would have been more appropriate. Yes, I am aware that if the item can be used for any thing other than your specific job, it is not allowed as a deduction. A cop could deduct uniform costs for example, but not a firearm.
I run a multi million dollar business and our accountants frequently advise us to spend money on things to reduce taxable income. I am also aware of the difference between a deduction, exemption and a tax credit. I guess next time I will use the ".../ sarcasm" notation so that readers won't jump to conclusions.
A prick, by the way, is making a small hole in something using an object with a fine point.

The "you don't even know what a write off is" is a line. Seinfeld, I think?

 

[fencer]

Sorry dhuze - I have never watched an episode of Seinfeld. I publicly apologize.

I just assumed that your post was an attempt to point out that I was a moron. It turns out my reply had the same effect. Nothing like the taste of ones own foot to start the new year off.

 

[amm5061]

It relevant due to personal unsafe mods made by unqualified owners , not done by qualified dept armorers.

And using same unsafe equipment on the job.

Pretty simple .

Ripe for a lawsuit if the public or an officer has a problem.

Ex. Cop tries to stop armed robbery ,goes in with personal gun , gun jams , cop gets shot,
Sues dept for not providing proper equipment.
Slam dunk.

One Incedent will far exceed any short sighted savings .

No, not relevant. If the asshat can't keep his finger off the trigger, then it's negligence on the part of the officer, pure and simple. We'd all be calling for blood if the idiot had an ND with a department issued weapon as well. This kind of stupid f***ing thinking is how we ended up with 12lb trigger pulls, LCIs, magazine disconnects, etc. There's nothing inherently unsafe about a light trigger pull; it's the person pulling it that makes it unsafe.

Also if the gun jams, it's on the officer for not maintaining his firearm. Once again, not a slam dunk at all, especially if they sign waivers.

But if all this bothers you, drgrant did a great job of outlining the solution.

 

[Admin]

Hopefully those boys get some quality long gun training to go with those new sticks in their cars.

 

[kalash]

But my Mosin won't fit in the Explorer with the bayonet attached!

 

[Mesatchornug]

Hopefully those boys get some quality long gun training to go with those new sticks in their cars.

That was my thought - if they can carry their own, maybe they'll buy their own, and train with them. Oh no, LE might get invested/interested in firearms!

 

[appraiser]

I wonder if the department is going to specify a specific platform for the sake of being able to obtain extra magazines from fellow officers while under fire?

I know it is a far fetched scenario , but there is something to be said for standardization.

I had a friend who was a "Middlesex County Reserve Deputy Sheriff/ Motorcycle Officer" (not the 50 dollar Sheriff's more like 500 dollar Sheriff's.... they supplied their own bikes and guns) and since they actually did some minor sort of work in public, like funeral escorts, Boston Marathon, the DNC when it was in Boston) the then High Sheriff of Middlesex decreed that the reserve MC officers had to buy and qualify with standard issue pistols. My friend was using a Walther of some sort, and he had to get a Glock IIRC and he hated it.

The reason given for the order from on high was that the department wanted Officers to be able to obtain readily shootable ammo from another Officer if needed on scene.

 

[Len-2A Training]

Hopefully those boys get some quality long gun training to go with those new sticks in their cars.

Any significant training is still likely to be on their own. PDs don't usually have generous funding for regular training which must include OT provisions, ammo costs, etc. 40+ yrs of attending town meeting have taught me that they usually get level-funded + union mandated salary increases but that is all.

When I joined the PD as a part-time officer, I was one of 8 officers sworn in that day. We were allowed to pick thru some clothing items that had been turned in by the full-time officers (usually they either outgrew them or the items were in tough shape) that one time and after that everything was out of our own pockets. No I wasn't made aware of this when appointed!

The PD had kept 4 or 5 S&W Model 10s for our use with holsters when they had purchased S&W Model 64s for the full-time officers. So when we took a shift, worked a detail (only two events we were paid for) or were called out enmasse for a town event (we had a total of 35 part-time officers) we could borrow one of the 4 or 5 Model 10s. We had a qualification shoot over 2 weekends and in between I went to work a shift, so I took one of the spare guns and my hands turned black. I went out to the dispatch officer and asked why the guns were filthy and was told "what's the point of cleaning them when we'd be shooting them again next weekend?" The next day I went to talk with the chief (personal friend) and asked if I could buy my own gun. He authorized my purchase and carry of a Colt Trooper as long as I carried issue ammo (.38Spl) on duty. I practiced with it regularly and cleaned it every time.

I can see nothing bad coming from this PD authorizing personal guns to be used as long as they met the PD standards (no 2# triggers). Much better than grabbing a department gun that could be cruded up or worse. People tend to be more responsible for items that they own than those that they borrow.

 

[dhuze]

Sorry dhuze - I have never watched an episode of Seinfeld. I publicly apologize.

I just assumed that your post was an attempt to point out that I was a moron. It turns out my reply had the same effect. Nothing like the taste of ones own foot to start the new year off.

It's all good. I lol'd when I read your post. I knew my post would go one of two ways and it went the funnest.

 

[Len-2A Training]

I wonder if the department is going to specify a specific platform for the sake of being able to obtain extra magazines from fellow officers while under fire?

I know it is a far fetched scenario , but there is something to be said for standardization.

I had a friend who was a "Middlesex County Reserve Deputy Sheriff/ Motorcycle Officer" (not the 50 dollar Sheriff's more like 500 dollar Sheriff's.... they supplied their own bikes and guns) and since they actually did some minor sort of work in public, like funeral escorts, Boston Marathon, the DNC when it was in Boston) the then High Sheriff of Middlesex decreed that the reserve MC officers had to buy and qualify with standard issue pistols. My friend was using a Walther of some sort, and he had to get a Glock IIRC and he hated it.

The reason given for the order from on high was that the department wanted Officers to be able to obtain readily shootable ammo from another Officer if needed on scene.

That was an excuse that our PD used a long time ago.

Nowadays even the part-time officers are totally equipped by the PD. But they only have <8 total part-timers on the force.

 

[appraiser]

The next day I went to talk with the chief (personal friend) and asked if I could buy my own gun. He authorized my purchase and carry of a Colt Trooper as long as I carried issue ammo (.38Spl) on duty. I practiced with it regularly and cleaned it every time.

The local C.O.P. where I grew up said nothing but round nosed lead for the Model 10's that were department issue Pre Glock.

He would go so far as making an Officer unholster and eject the cartridges from the cylinder to show him they were not carrying JHP or other ammo in their sidearms.

This went on well into the 1980's

 

[Len-2A Training]

The local C.O.P. where I grew up said nothing but round nosed lead for the Model 10's that were department issue Pre Glock.

He would go so far as making an Officer unholster and eject the cartridges from the cylinder to show him they were not carrying JHP or other ammo in their sidearms.

This went on well into the 1980's

Similar we were only allowed to carry semi-wad lead bullets. I made a pitch for JHP and was shot down by the chief. Then one day he takes out his Model 27 out of his desk drawer to show me, unloads it and he had a mixed bag of ammo, a few issue and the rest hollow-points. I did an "ahem, that doesn't look like issue ammo!" and laughed. He was the boss and made the rules.

 

[KBCraig]

When I was in the army, I bought all my own TA-50. So did everyone else. If you actually used the stuff they issued, you’d end up spending days overcleaning it for the civilian inspectors at CIF.

...and then CIF would still reject it.

Happened to me at OBC, at jump school, and then at my duty station. It went straight from CIF into a trash bag, where it sat sealed in a closet for three years, but was "dirty" when I tried to turn it in.

 

[In God We Trust]

I have a buddy who is a cop down in GA and his department has the same deal. If they want a rifle, they can buy their own and there are some restrictions on calibers. Aside from that, they can get what they want I believe. He also had to buy his own duty gun and back up, also with caliber restrictions

 

[W.E.C]

Today, Vegas discharge of rifle -n.d.?.

One injured after Las Vegas police officer discharges gun on New Year's morning