AHM
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We don't care whether or not you used YoutUbe.
What we want to know is, how many ND's?
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What we want to know is, how many ND's?
strangenh
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Exactly.
TFB Review: Braverman Stinger, The Non-NFA Pen Pistol -
Nicholas C. takes an indepth look at the novelty Braverman Stinger pen pistol. It looks like a pen gun but it is not an NFA item. It is a bonafide title 1 handgun.
www.thefirearmblog.com
Marty McFly
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Nice dude thanksExactly.
TFB Review: Braverman Stinger, The Non-NFA Pen Pistol -
Nicholas C. takes an indepth look at the novelty Braverman Stinger pen pistol. It looks like a pen gun but it is not an NFA item. It is a bonafide title 1 handgun.
Good Info.Exactly.
TFB Review: Braverman Stinger, The Non-NFA Pen Pistol -
Nicholas C. takes an indepth look at the novelty Braverman Stinger pen pistol. It looks like a pen gun but it is not an NFA item. It is a bonafide title 1 handgun.
" When deployed into a state that would allow it to be fired, it has the basic shape of a pistol. A grip, trigger and barrel. Other pen guns that stayed in the straight form factor for firing are NFA items "
That is not a NFA pen gun. It has a hinge in the middle and folds to have a barrel and a grip section .The trigger folds down. Fore seasons sold them back in the day. But under Ma law it could be considered a disguised firearm.
smokey-seven
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Back in the early 1970's, I would run across about one a month at the local stores. 35$ is what they were bringing and I never bought a piece of crap like that when full military Colt 1911's and A1's were bringing 75$ - 100$ for a pristine one. Remingtons were cheap at 40-50$. My the time does fly.
NHCraigT
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I was curious to see if there were versions of the pen gun being sold (if they are more common or are extremely rare), and if there are modern replicas of the liberator pistols (as one of the OP's posted pics looked like a "modern" liberator replica).
So this is posted simply as for FYI and For = Informational Purposes:
Found on GB = 1 pen gun (non-NFA version) , and there are functioning modern-made Liberator Replica Pistols:
Braverman Stinger Pen Gun .22LR Non-NFA rare
FP-45 Liberator Suppressor Threaded Barrel Firing Replica Vintage Ordnance
So this is posted simply as for FYI and For = Informational Purposes:
Found on GB = 1 pen gun (non-NFA version) , and there are functioning modern-made Liberator Replica Pistols:
Braverman Stinger Pen Gun .22LR Non-NFA rare
FP-45 Liberator Suppressor Threaded Barrel Firing Replica Vintage Ordnance
WWII FP-45 Liberator Pistol Reproduction (Standard Model / Model 3)
Vintage Ordnance Reproduction FP-45 Liberator Pistol.
vintageordnance.com
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Dennis in MA
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Nice Liberators. I balked on a $800 decent-condition one on GB about a decade ago. I flinched. It was gone. Dumb dumb dumb. I love WWII stuff.
one-eyed Jack
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I purchased a .25 cal. pen gun from a mfr in NH many years ago. It had to come to me on a Form 3. Maybe because it was registered by the maker as a pen gun. Be careful. Jack.
71montess
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He'll never be a secret agent.
AHM
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Gotta add a ball-point cartridge to it.
Then you're covered by 1A (Freedom of the Press).
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namedpipes
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I have one of these (it will wicked twist to the left when you fire it). Someplace I have a printed out info packet on it. If you're interested and I remember when it next turns up I'm happy to scan it for you. Background, I think measurements, etc. A gunsmith acquaintance was working up a reproduction but he passed away before finishing
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And, wear out / break quickly, so that they could not be used when the Americans arrived! Also, they came with a cartoon-sheet instruction manual.
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The Replica Liberators have rifled barrels (otherwise they'd be be short-barrel smooth-bores).
strangenh
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Correct. Similar complications with those wallet guns and wallet-shaped concealment sleeves for pocket guns. Can get very complicated with some designs. But if it has to look like a duck before it can quack, it's not a disguised duck subject to NFA.
Ill def take you up on that offer if you ever come across them. Thanks.I have one of these (it will wicked twist to the left when you fire it). Someplace I have a printed out info packet on it. If you're interested and I remember when it next turns up I'm happy to scan it for you. Background, I think measurements, etc. A gunsmith acquaintance was working up a reproduction but he passed away before finishing
TJRaccoon
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I love the history of the FP-45 and have done a bit of research and own one. The easiest way to tell the difference between the replica and original is look down the barrel. Replica has rifling and the original is smooth bore. On the underside of the barrel the replica markings, original sans any text.
The original plan for the weapons was from March 1942 from the Psyops (Psychological Operations) group suggesting dropping these into Poland "The FP-45 Liberator Pistol 1942 - 1945 by R. W. Kock"
Nick....great story to share. Thanks
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Somewhat, they were thought of for use by the 'resistance' in 1942. It was smooth bore and designed for up close and personal use.
I saw one in a kit that was for the French and recovered in a museum. Amazing. Few words.
FP-45 Liberator - Wikipedia
The FP-45 Liberator is a pistol manufactured by the United States military during World War II for use by resistance forces in occupied territories. The Liberator was never issued to American or other Allied troops, and there are few documented instances of the weapon being used for its intended purpose; though the intended recipients, irregulars and resistance fighters, rarely kept detailed records due to the inherent risks if the records were captured by the enemy.
General Dwight D. Eisenhower's staff never saw the practicality in mass dropping the Liberator over occupied Europe, and authorized distribution of fewer than 25,000 of the half million FP-45 pistols shipped to Great Britain for the French resistance. Generals Joseph Stilwell and Douglas MacArthur were similarly unenthusiastic about the other half of the pistols scheduled for shipment to the Pacific. The Army then turned 450,000 Liberators over to the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), which preferred to supply Resistance fighters in both theatres with more effective weapons whenever possible.
French use of the FP-45 remains undocumented, however a first hand account of an assassination with an FP-45 exists from German military policeman Niklaus Lange. He claimed that there were thousands in circulation in occupied France.[7] The OSS did distribute a few to Greek resistance forces in 1944. Most of the pistols shipped to Britain were undistributed, and later dumped at sea or melted for scrap metal.
Another view: FP-45 Liberator | Gun Wiki | Fandom
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This. I always got the idea that the Liberator was someone's bright idea that the military never really asked for.
The world was awash with weapons at that point. If Ike called Washington and demanded 12,000 "real" pistols instead of these, he'd have gotten them. I've always doubted the US generals really wanted to get any guns into the hands of the Resistance. The US Army has always been squeamish about dealing with local insurgent groups; it's why they had to set up the Green Berets later, over significant institutional resistance.
The Brits were a lot better at that kind of thing during WWII. When they had a similar idea about arming the locals, they just sent out STEN parts kits and the Resistance made up the guns in bike shops.
That's awesome. The Thompson is exactly like the one my Dad was issued as a Marine helicopter pilot in Vietnam, if it were full auto. Like most pilots he didn't play fast & loose with the law, but he always regretted not grabbing that Thompson to bring back somehow.
Yeah, 3rd pin is visible in this pic. Walked into his kitchen today and the 3 FA guns were on the table. They just got back from the trip cross country.
