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Friend visiting from PA
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RichM
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Those questions have 2 different answers...
First, he can ONLY bring his guns if you meet him at the state border and take possession of the guns and ammunition. This assumes that the guns and magazines are legal for you to possess in Massachusetts. His guns and magazines must be AWB compliant.
Properly transported, FOPA protects his transport from his home in PA TO MA, but since this is his destination, it does NOT protect his possession here.
Second question: Check USACARRY.ORG or the PA statutes for information about what you can possess in PA. Again, if properly transported, FOPA will protect you as you cut across the smallest portion of New York as possible.
Unless you have a non-resident permit that covers carry in PA, be aware that you will only be able to possess there, not carry there.
From the Opencarry website:
First, he can ONLY bring his guns if you meet him at the state border and take possession of the guns and ammunition. This assumes that the guns and magazines are legal for you to possess in Massachusetts. His guns and magazines must be AWB compliant.
Properly transported, FOPA protects his transport from his home in PA TO MA, but since this is his destination, it does NOT protect his possession here.
Second question: Check USACARRY.ORG or the PA statutes for information about what you can possess in PA. Again, if properly transported, FOPA will protect you as you cut across the smallest portion of New York as possible.
Unless you have a non-resident permit that covers carry in PA, be aware that you will only be able to possess there, not carry there.
From the Opencarry website:
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dwarven1
Lonely Mountain Arms
Not if your friend doesn't have a non-res LTC, he can't. As stated above, you'd have to meet him out of state and bring them in with you.
You can bring your guns there, though.
You can bring your guns there, though.
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Like NH/Maine you can carry in PA Openly with NO Permit, just not in your car and NOT in Philly..AND PA recognizes the permits of all 50 states for open/concealed carry in vehicles ONLY
I don't think this is accurate. In order to come under the protection of FOPA, the person must be legally authorized to posses or carry in both his departure state and his destination state.
"Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if . . . ."
18 U.S.C.A. sec. 926A (emphasis added).
dwarven1
Lonely Mountain Arms
I thought of this, and my question is what if the friend from PA makes plans to meet his MA friend in CONNECTICUT... and then drive across the border after handing his friend his gun case? He's legally allowed to have the guns there (assuming they don't fall afoul of the CT AWB), so wouldn't FOPA kick in then?
If it was stipulated that The Dude from PA is licensed in Connecticut, I missed that.
(Mr. PA would have to be licensed in Connecticut in order for FOPA to apply to his transport of the firearms from Pennsylvania to Connecticut.)
Nonetheless, what I envision is the necessity of Mr. PA standing in Connecticut, firearms in hand, and leaning over the state line to hand them to Mr. MA, who is standing in Massachusetts (unless we also assume that Mr. MA is licensed in in Connecticut).
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If he is attending a competition in MA, and has a permit from any state, district or territory that does not issue permits to drug users or felons, he's covered under a very limited exemption in MA law. Unlike the NY law for non-resident handgun competitors (265.20-13b), the MA exemption does not specific the exact width of the time window surrounding the competition or show in order to remain covered by said exemption. MGL Ch140 Sec 131G - http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-131g.htm. This exemption does not include post ban > 10 round mags or post ban non-compliant EBRs.
RichM
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Excellent catch! I missed that... +3 to RKG
Hand guns would be the problem here... and NY does not require a permit for the possession of long arms or ammunition... with the FOPA protection limited to the transporter being permitted at both ends of the trip, I can't see a way to get his handguns here... long arms would work as posted above...
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You could always find a handgun competition and sign up. Most match organizers will provide an invitation letter if you ask nicely and convince them (truthfully) you will actually be showing up to shoot.
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What if the visitor was to overnight the handguns via fedex or ups to himself @ your residence. That way he could open the box to himself in your presence and hand them to you for "possessing / transporting" in the state. When you get to the range supervise him as you would any other non licensee under your LTC. At the end of the range visit resecure and transport to your residence / safe. When he is ready to return home to PA reship using fedex or ups overnight for handguns. Longarms could be sent ground or whatever is cheaper.
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maybe the OP can fly down to PA and drive back together with his friend.....
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