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France Building Barricades Again "Gilets Jaunes"

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  1. enbloc

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    2019 is going to be very interesting...
     

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    “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

    ― Margaret Thatcher
     
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    So when native Euros get fed up with gov bullshit, 89k cops magically appear on the streets but when "youths" and refugees and migrants rob, rape, burn and pillage theres a sudden shortage of manpower and a "sorry nothing we can do".

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    The French police unions have indicated that they plan to go on strike and not be the stompy boots Macron has ordered to go put prints on the faces of protesters anymore.

    The placid herd of sheep suddenly turned into pack of wolves and the a**h*** shepherds whom have been buggering their flocks are now caught with their pants down.

    This is the same kind of preference cascade which took down East Germany. The Eurocrats must be terrified that the people they thought they could dominate and take for granted very well could put their heads on pikes in the coming year. Figuratively or literally at this rate!
     
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    Don't forget Romania....

     
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    Since the English have yet to get off their duffs I figured it appropriate to edit.

    It was not part of their blood,
    It came to them very late
    With long arrears to make good,
    When the French began to hate.

    They were not easily moved,
    They were icy willing to wait
    Till every count should be proved,
    Ere the French began to hate.

    Their voices were even and low,
    Their eyes were level and straight.
    There was neither sign nor show,
    When the French began to hate.

    It was not preached to the crowd,
    It was not taught by the State.
    No man spoke it aloud,
    When the French began to hate.

    It was not suddenly bred,
    It will not swiftly abate,
    Through the chill years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the French began to hate.
     
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    According to this posting by Vox Day - the increase in gasoline taxes is not the only thing they're pissed about, the effort by their government to let in all the invaders is a good part of the protest too:

    Vox Popoli: Darkstream: Yellow Vests for the West
     
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    Not that anyone in power or a position of influence would ever admit it.
     
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    Martin Armstrong is usually pretty prescient on these things:

    France Has the Highest Tax Rate in the Industrialized World & Worst Investment Record in Europe | Armstrong Economics

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    What is really amazing is how governments just fail to comprehend that revolution is instigated by corruption and taxes. Nevertheless, they just can’t help themselves. They have to keep taking cookies from the jar until it is empty and then act surprised what the people suddenly rise up. France tops the list of the highest taxed people in the Industrialized World. The French historically have a lower threshold for taxes than most others in Europe. Many people thought the Greeks would rise up. They laid down. Then they thought the Italian will rise up. Just not yet, but they will follow the lead of the French.

    Revolution seems to become possible once you cross the 40% mark. The austerity policies in Europe are only making matters far worse. There is a SUBSTANTIAL difference between a Sovereign Debt Crisis and a Hyperinflation. The former is where you bought $10,000 worth of government debt and they say forget it – we refuse to pay. That provokes violence and civil war.

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    Then you have the hyperinflation route. This produces economic struggles but it does NOT lead to civil war. They promised you a pension of whatever of $10,000 and they pay it. Like Venezuela, that amount will no longer buy even two cups of coffee. They paid so you get a different result historically.

    Tax rebellions are DEFLATIONARY because it reduces the disposable income. The economy declines the higher the tax rate. This is also why you are witnessing the uprising in France. This is why inflation has been so hard to create even with Quantitative Easing (QE). The more you inject cash should be inflationary under the Quantity Theory of Money, but then they raise taxes and nobody looks at the disposable income. If disposable income declines, then all the QE cannot create inflation. What you get is a tax rebellion that can lead to civil war.

    The stock market has still not exceeded the 2000 high. This chart alone shows the impact of socialism.
     
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    French Police remove helmets in solidarity with protestors:

     
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    "Fuel tax is just the straw that broke the camel's back."

    "What do we know about the French protests? We know that it's mostly white people. The only true Frenchmen by blood"



    You really need to listen to this video - he is making the EXACT same point I've made about the a-holes who are running the government and the confluence between "carbon emissions" - and immigration policy.
     
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    Thankfully, the left's silly plans for stopping Anthropogenic Global Warming (remember when they called it that?) are regressive in nature. The rich elites in their towers can afford the scam. Reap what you sowed Macron.
     
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    ya, think. Thats a lot of cobble stones/rocks.
     
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    I read this guy's blog quite frequently: The Z Blog | Sports, Culture and Other Stuff

    Judging by what people write in the comment section , there's quite a few people who are calling themselves right wing - who sound an awful lot like left wingers to my ears. I know French politics are different than US politics - but in my estimation if you're going to call yourself a right winger - you shouldn't be saying you support shit like UBI, socialism, big government - etc. But that's what I see people calling for pretty regularly. Mostly what they're seemingly - against is sharing the welfare state with people who aren't palefaces .

    So - because the left in this country is all for opening up the wallet and just giving away the keys to the treasury to whole stinking world - we've now got people calling themselves right wingers simply because they're against that.
     
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    Taxation is theft. That fact gets harder to ignore as the level of taxation rises.
     
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    The so-called right isn't against more government, they just want their ideals enforced. If that takes more government, more foreign military action, more laws, so be it. Same shit different side of the aisle.
     
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    The Next French Revolution – Is it Beginning? | Armstrong Economics

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    The austerity measures of the EU are having a profound impact in Europe. In Paris on December 1st, 2018 (right on time with our volatility models for December) there was a major civil uprising, the worst France has witnessed in recent decades. Yellow Vests movement is named after fluorescent jackets kept in all vehicles in France. They have converged in Paris to protest high living costs or in other words – a TAX RIOT. Rioters ran across central Paris torching cars and buildings, looting shops, smashing windows and clashing with police. The French President, Emmanuel Macron, was in Argentina for a G20 summit and said he called an emergency meeting on Sunday when he would return. Jeanne d’Hauteserre, the mayor of Paris’ 8th district, near the Arc de Triomphe, came out and told the press: “We are in a state of insurrection, I’ve never seen anything like it.”

    This has followed what was billed as a violent protest two weeks before of nationwide against fuel taxes and living costs. Politicians simply never learn. This is not just the youth. This is the older generations as well. Revolutions come become of taxes and corruption. The famous saying of Marie Antoinette Let them eat cake” was the popular slogan during the French Revolution. There is no evidence that she ever actually said those words. Still, it inspired a revolution. The “cake” was not a desert, but it was a term that referred to the crust of the pâté which was left over. It certainly seems that the EU politicians are making the very same mistake. With that callous remark that was attributed to Marie Antoinette, the Queen of France became the most hated symbol of the decadent monarchy. That simply fueled the revolution which would cause her to (literally) lose her head several years later.

    In Paris, the police fired stun grenades, tear gas and water cannon at protesters on the tourist street known as the Champs-Elysees boulevard. The police said they had arrested almost 300 people while 110 were injured, including 20 members of the security forces. As a consequence, there are now parts of the city of Paris completely void of police as there was a shortage to defend the entire city. This has resulted in groups of masked men roaming and looting through its fanciest shopping districts, smashing the windows of designer boutiques.

    We can easily be witnessing the start of the next French Revolution. Our model for civil unrest interesting turned up in France on February 18th, 2013. The year before on May 6th, 2012, François Hollande was elected as the new president of France. While he may go down as perhaps the worst president in French history, on May 5th, 2013 is when the protests in Paris began. That first protest numbered in the tens of thousands marking the rising discontent with the Socialist François Hollande after just one year in power. Even the many supporters of leftist parties expressed dissatisfaction over his handling of the economy.




    Ever since the civil unrest began on May 5th, 2013, there has been escalating economic tension within France. The lack of economic growth has plagued France and Europe as a whole. The French share market peaked in 2000 and has been unable to elect ANY Yearly Bullish Reversals to date and 2018 appears to be no different for this year’s closing. With the insane taxes of Hollande, the rich French invested outside the country and without private investment, there is no job creation of any worthwhile level. This is what the Socialists refuse to consider.

    This latest series of popular rebellions erupted on November 17th, 2018 and has spread quickly via social media, with protesters blocking roads across France and impeding access to shopping malls, factories, and some fuel depots. The gather at the Arc de Triomphe, chanting “Macron Resign” and writing graffiti on the Arch itself: “The yellow vests will triumph.”

    Macron held a news conference in Buenos Aires where he said that there was no cause justified the looting of stores, attacking the security forces, or torching of property. Macron totally fails to comprehend that the violence is building frustration that historically is necessary to mature into a revolution. This is not a political movement. This is economically driven. The police said that violent far-right and far-left groups had infiltrated the yellow vests movement in a desperate effort to call them extremists. These protests began as a backlash against Macron’s fuel tax hikes, but have tapped into a growing resentment that all people get are higher taxes and lower standards of living.

    While the protests appear to have caught Macron off-guard despite the fact that his poll rating is now down to 20%, like François Hollande, Macron is unrepenting and unyielding. He said he would not change his policy because of the protests of “thugs”. This only fuels the angry response that he is also out of touch with ordinary people, particularly in rural villages and the provincial hinterlands. There were people with signs reading “Macron, stop treating us like idiots!” Macron is inspiring real hatred as did Hillary Clinton when she called 50% of the country who voted for Trump the “deplorables!”

    Macron may call them “thugs” but the “Yellow Vests” have widespread public support, even in cities. The vast majority of French people were fed up with Macron. You can see the anger is escalating more and more throughout France, according to my sources there, and Macron is as unyielding as was Hollande. Some say that Macron had written a book called Revolution. He obviously failed to understand what really makes a revolution – TAXES.


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    Imagine if the protests in France spread across Europe. I mean, look at the OECD graph in calsdad's post above. France it the worst, but by how much?
     
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    Time for the yellow mob to take a road trip to Brussels.
     
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    You can be right wing and still like free money. In the US the right tends to have jobs so you don’t get free money.
     
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    What a wonderful opportunity for Germany to establish peace in Europe again, cross into Alsace Lorraine, inaugurate Micron in Vichy, start a blockade of the eternally ungrateful Great Britain.......Wait!.........I take it back!
     
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    There's one underlying fact that most "elites" don't seem to understand.

    They are replaceable.

    Kill them all - and stick some new talking heads in their place - and life will go on. That's just a simple fact.

    But instead of people who are grateful to be put in such a lofty position and therefore do their best to live up to that position by DEFENDING the people they are nominally in charge of - what we have right now - pretty much ALL across the Western world - is a crew of "cloud people" - who think that are above it all. You can see the smug arrogance that it seems a lot of the upper classes have towards the people in the countries they come from - in Hillary Clinton's famous "deplorable" comment.
     
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    I do not know what right wing in America means anymore. Our public bathrooms have doors like in the stable, you can see hoofs. European right wing bathrooms are closed cells with a real door. That, my friends, is crime against humanity and it is very alt-right!
     
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    I was watching a video. Looks like cops are removing their helmets in solidarity with the people rioting.

    If the head of the police switches sides, that's it, then it becomes a full blown revolution.
     
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    Remember we are talking about Europe.

    Europeans love their big governments and social services. Even after the French got rid of their King, they established a new big government with a different name.

    These French are rioting because the government got a little too big. If they stopped raising taxes a couple of years ago, the French would be happy and this wouldn't be going on.

    They are on a vicious cycle. They want all their "free" stuff, but what the average person doesnt understand is that money doesnt grow on trees, it has to come from somewhere.

    Let's assume Macron gets kicked out, nothing will change. Some taxes will be rolled back, and in 5-10 years they will be where they are today, again.

    I think it was either Sweden, or Norway or Finland (I forget now) that in the 80s started privatizing a lot of things and rolling back government. They based a lot of it on the US, things such as pensions became private, and their economy started doing much better.

    That is the kind of change you need. No more "free" everything. The question is, can these people live with that? .... I dont think they can.
     
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    The government’s response hasn’t helped, though I wonder if macron even has the authority to do whatever’s needed to defuse the situation. Not that it matters because he’s apparently in hiding.
     

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