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Can confirm.Rumor has it, that silently, the NRA paid lawyers directly, for representing comm2a in certain legal matters.
that's not rugers fault, they do the work, submit guns to the lab. if you can't buy a certain gun in massachusetts it's usually because the manufacturer chooses not to submit test guns and pony up the fees. i relate it to those manufacturers giving the massachusetts gun buyers the finger. by nes logic, we should be boycotting those manufacturers.now 20 plus years later 3/4 of the approved list are cheap poorly made guns and guns that are long out of production , you can buy yourself a $200 Ruger but not a $1500 Dan Wesson
that's not rugers fault, they do the work, submit guns to the lab. if you can't buy a certain gun in massachusetts it's usually because the manufacturer chooses not to submit test guns and pony up the fees. i relate it to those manufacturers giving the massachusetts gun buyers the finger. by nes logic, we should be boycotting those manufacturers.
back to topic, yeah, this is something to pin some hope on...good on fpc!
Never said it was anyone fault , I’m quite aware that manufactures only cherry pick what they want to submitthat's not rugers fault, they do the work, submit guns to the lab. if you can't buy a certain gun in massachusetts it's usually because the manufacturer chooses not to submit test guns and pony up the fees. i relate it to those manufacturers giving the massachusetts gun buyers the finger. by nes logic, we should be boycotting those manufacturers.
back to topic, yeah, this is something to pin some hope on...good on fpc!
What about the super secret double secret, AG list?
Do you think that gets brought up? Personally, I would think, any competent judge hears that there are approved firearms on the list, yet the AG still bans them via a AG approved list that no one has ever seen.......it is just a solid indicator of the true purpose of the list and those who wield it as a weapon against individual rights, or at the very least how list lacks any true merit.
i can't believe this isn't a mosquito bite for them. these companies can't write this off? i can't answer that, don't know for sure. by the way some of the people here revere dw i would think it would be a good business decision for them to open the wallet and submit. or maybe dw knows at first it's a matter of people want what they're told they can't have and/or maybe market research tells them the market for high end pistols is soft in massachusetts.B: destroy like 4000 bucks worth of handguns. It would cost DW like 10 grand to test 1 gun.
There is no fee to the state in MA.State doesn't get that money, and its more like 5 grand per gun or some shit. It goes to the private testing lab. @Rob Boudrie probably knows the specifics.
Have you looked at any DW 1911? they usually don't have LCI in them. Getting the guns on the roster is pointless if they can't pass CMR 940. I don’t blame them. I don't expect a company to ruin their gun to meet the regs. Nor would i want that ruined product. I refuse to buy any handgun that's been intentionally f***** up to cater to the mass compliance bullshit. I had a few "M" sigs at one point and they disgusted me enough that I sold them all. No thanks.i can't believe this isn't a mosquito bite for them. these companies can't write this off? i can't answer that, don't know for sure. by the way some of the people here revere dw i would think it would be a good business decision for them to open the wallet and submit. or maybe dw knows at first it's a matter of people want what they're told they can't have and/or maybe market research tells them the market for high end pistols is soft in massachusetts.
has dw ever hinted at why they won't submit? with people and companies we like, we give them the benefit of all doubts. be interesting to hear the company line.
I think they just write off MA as being run by communists and it isn’t worth the effort as ultimately it’s a cat and mouse game and eventually there won’t be anything on “the list” to buy at all anyway.i can't believe this isn't a mosquito bite for them. these companies can't write this off? i can't answer that, don't know for sure. by the way some of the people here revere dw i would think it would be a good business decision for them to open the wallet and submit. or maybe dw knows at first it's a matter of people want what they're told they can't have and/or maybe market research tells them the market for high end pistols is soft in massachusetts.
has dw ever hinted at why they won't submit? with people and companies we like, we give them the benefit of all doubts. be interesting to hear the company line.
EABOD or the brown starfish. not meant for youNot going to happen boys.....
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Makes sense from a manufacturing standpoint for a state in which for the vast majority of people hoplophobia is a badge of honor and even the average firearm owner shares the views of John Rosenthal and Mike Weisser or is otherwise a wretched fudd.I think they just write off MA as being run by communists and it isn’t worth the effort as ultimately it’s a cat and mouse game and eventually there won’t be anything on “the list” to buy at all anyway.
Plus, unlike CA, tiny market. Not worth aggravation.
Comm2a litigated this based on the Glock actually having a loaded chamber indicator.What about the super secret double secret, AG list?
Do you think that gets brought up? Personally, I would think, any competent judge hears that there are approved firearms on the list, yet the AG still bans them via a AG approved list that no one has ever seen.......it is just a solid indicator of the true purpose of the list and those who wield it as a weapon against individual rights, or at the very least how list lacks any true merit.
DW doesn't want to:
A: ruin their guns by adding faggy stuff like LCI
B: destroy like 4000 bucks worth of handguns. It would cost DW like 10 grand to test 1 gun.
Rugers are throwaways and they probably get guns tested in bulk. Plus their guns usually already have the LCI pride flags etc already on them...
I don't blame any manufacturers not wishing to waste money to test guns to get them on the list. Especially not with CMR940 looming in the background with dimples the tyrant having full control over that.
I don't think anyone can actually list something the NRA has done in this state besides ask for more money from us.
I think the last time was in STATE SC. They basically said, "UMGUNZ??? No. You can't have them!"I thought we lost this case years ago already. What's different now so it can be brought again?
Not going to happen boys.....
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Let’s be realistic regarding a LCI. It’s nothing more than a hole drilled at the top rear of the chamber so you can look in. Am I missing something here?
Did anyone notice that Atty. Jason Guida was one of the filing attorneys? God Bless!!
Thus, ordinary law-abiding citizens seeking to exercise their constitutional right to keep and bear arms with a handgun—“the quintessential self-defense weapon” in America, Heller, 554 U.S. at 629—are generally relegated a secondary market of inherently limited supply, and largely consisting of used handguns having no manufacturer’s warranty, with sellers who cannot reach of the regulations designed to protect consumers against unfair and deceptive practices, including the protections against the sale of defective or unsafe firearms.”