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Fort Hancock under siege
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I've been telling all of you about this for a few years now. BTW you don't want to go down there.
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dcmdon
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This is a perfect example of why we need REAL immigration reform.
If a mexican wants to come here to work, they should be able to legally.
Ground rules
1) No public assistance
2) learn english and pass a test in 5 years or you go back
3) become a citizen in 5 years or you go back
4) put enough resources on it so if you pass a background check you can get a work visa within 6 months.
5) no right to free travel within the USA. You go where we tell you to go. We send them where they are needed so they don't all end up in AZ, UT, CT and TX.
By providing legal access to the american dream to these people we can drastically change the rules of engagement at the border.
If poor Juan who just wants a piece of the American dream can get here legall in 6 months, he won't come here illegally.
That means we can allow law enforcement and citizens to shoot on sight anyone caught crossing the border, since illegal crossings will pretty much only be criminals who couldn't get here legally and drug mules.
Problems solved.
If a mexican wants to come here to work, they should be able to legally.
Ground rules
1) No public assistance
2) learn english and pass a test in 5 years or you go back
3) become a citizen in 5 years or you go back
4) put enough resources on it so if you pass a background check you can get a work visa within 6 months.
5) no right to free travel within the USA. You go where we tell you to go. We send them where they are needed so they don't all end up in AZ, UT, CT and TX.
By providing legal access to the american dream to these people we can drastically change the rules of engagement at the border.
If poor Juan who just wants a piece of the American dream can get here legall in 6 months, he won't come here illegally.
That means we can allow law enforcement and citizens to shoot on sight anyone caught crossing the border, since illegal crossings will pretty much only be criminals who couldn't get here legally and drug mules.
Problems solved.
1- agreed
2- agreed
3- Many DON'T want to become citizens, they just want to work here.
4- agreed
5- Have to think about this one a bit. But it is our game so it should be our rules.
Now what do we do with all the ones that are already here?
BTW what's going on in Ft. Hancock has nothing to do with immigration. It's incursions by the cartels.
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I saw this video months ago... Where are the young people in that town with some real firepower? I don't get it
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There are 1700 people in FH, 3300 people in all of Hudspeth County (roughly 3/4 the size of MA). The kids haul ass as soon as they get old enough to go. You got no idea what that place is like. It's West Texas desert and the nearest anything is 55 miles away in El Paso. My ranch is 17 miles North and when I leave FH I don't see another human being until I return to FH. There is nothing there except mesquite bushes and dirt.
I never said there wasn't a problem I am just saying you are looking at it backwards. All the people that come over the border are doing is what our government wants them and incentivises them to do. I even pointed out that a lot of them are drug mules which is a direct result of the "war on drugs". By falling into the " I hate illegals" trap you are taking your eyes off of how the government is really profiting from them in more ways than votes. It is like last election with the 99% crap they wanted to make it about rich and poor not how bad the government is screwing us over. Just like how they are trying to get people to focus on the illegal immigrant(which all of us in a a way are anyway but that's another conversation). Is it an issue yes, but I choose to blame the ultimately responsible party which is our own government. They get rich off the prison system which almost only exists because of the "drug war". So by having a bad border they make more money. Why do you think that neither a republican president from that state nor any other president has done anything about it. There is just to much lost revenue if they stop the war on drugs or shutdown the border. And as for mexico changing that is not going to happen and the us government will make damn sure of that. It is no mistake that we sent all those guns over the borderframing the us gun owners was nice but really they just want the cartels strong and pumping drugs into our country. We are the farm and the government are the farmers and when they fine and tax us they make money off the crop which is us. The cartels are like fertilizer to them as they supply more demand for taxes to fight them and provide more things to fine us for.
I agree with no public assistance but then again I agree with no public funding for a lot of things. But the english thing is kid of tough considering have no official language as a country and that was an intentional doing by our founders. As for the rules of engagement thing at the border that sounds great until law abiding american citizens that are latino start getting shot because people think they aren't supossed to be there. There are people in the us who have had family here for generations that came from mexico who I am sure wouldn't want to be profiled like anyone who sounded arabic was a terrorist
After 9/11. Again the solution starts with taking away the incentives not just shooting people. Stop the war on drugs and the cartels won't be making billions on sending mules over the border. And stop the socialized programs as a whole for starters.
dcmdon
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Glockstones. Part of the details around the rules of engagement would most likely involve a no-mans land on the american side of the border. You could have signs in english and spanish and whatever saying "turn back now, you will be shot" or whatever.
Again, this would make things BETTER for most mexicans in America because once they became citizens, they would be invested in this country. It wouldn't just be a place to go to make money.
Whats funny to me is that in my experience in CT, the illegals for the most part were very hard workers who did things that most Americans didn't want to do. Or couldn't do.
I did construction every summer from sophmore in hs through my senior year in college. I worked for the same guy the whole time. We're now good friends. He tells me that the college kids these days aren't worth crap. They may lift weights, but they can't carry a bundle of shingles up a ladder. They want their asses kissed. If lunch is 30 minutes, they don't understand why being 5 minutes back is a problem.
The guys at the lumber yard tell him how hard the illegal Peruvians work. Good family people who show up on time, even if it means taking a bus at 6:00 am, because they aren't just working for beer money. They're working to feed their family. He's about ready to pull the trigger on hiring illegals next summer. He's upset that he can't hire Americans as laborers who actually want to work.
I guess this is different from other people's experience. But my encounters with illegals who worked in the construction trades has been universally positive.
Again, this would make things BETTER for most mexicans in America because once they became citizens, they would be invested in this country. It wouldn't just be a place to go to make money.
Whats funny to me is that in my experience in CT, the illegals for the most part were very hard workers who did things that most Americans didn't want to do. Or couldn't do.
I did construction every summer from sophmore in hs through my senior year in college. I worked for the same guy the whole time. We're now good friends. He tells me that the college kids these days aren't worth crap. They may lift weights, but they can't carry a bundle of shingles up a ladder. They want their asses kissed. If lunch is 30 minutes, they don't understand why being 5 minutes back is a problem.
The guys at the lumber yard tell him how hard the illegal Peruvians work. Good family people who show up on time, even if it means taking a bus at 6:00 am, because they aren't just working for beer money. They're working to feed their family. He's about ready to pull the trigger on hiring illegals next summer. He's upset that he can't hire Americans as laborers who actually want to work.
I guess this is different from other people's experience. But my encounters with illegals who worked in the construction trades has been universally positive.
no, not different at all I have been an electrician for 11 years and the people who come up from south of the border(they aren't all Mexican there are a lot of other countries they come from)are hard workers. There are a lot of people who don't like people coming up from the border because they are harder working than some of the crap workers we have here. Not that we don't have good workers here too but if more hard workers move in then there will be less room for the dead weight. I am not saying that everyone who comes over the border is a saint and hard worker but I wont say they are all bad drug smugglers either. And as for the citizen thing There are not supposed to be any citizens in this country period if you go by the definition. Citizen-1.A person owing loyalty to and entitled by birth or naturalization to the protection of a state or nation. That first part about owing something to someone else from birth goes directly against freedom and then there is the entitlement word too. I prefer to think of myself as a person not really defined by any label or definition. But in a true free world there is no citizen because you owe nothing to the state.
falcon123
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Thats good. Plenty of room to bury the bodies. You can shoot the drug runners with a suppressed rifle at night and no one will be the wiser. They will eventually get the message.
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You don't want to get in a firefight with the cartel people. You'll be out gunned and out numbered. It won't go well for you.
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But I have a AR and a plates and carrier and other tacti tools . I have also seen tons videos on youtube and play COD . You got it right brother . Half the wanna bes cant even start a fire let alone patrol for a few days in the desert .
GM-GUY
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Depending on the cartel - but in that section of the border it's Los Zeta's if I remember correctly. These are the guys that were trained by our special forces when they were part of the army - they quit and turned into a bad news cartel.
But put 100 people on our side of the border in fixed fighting positions, with some designated marksman at 400+ yards, I'll give us the edge.
You are right though, the best firefight is one you don't have to have, the second best is when you out number the other guy by 10:1.
But put 100 people on our side of the border in fixed fighting positions, with some designated marksman at 400+ yards, I'll give us the edge.
You are right though, the best firefight is one you don't have to have, the second best is when you out number the other guy by 10:1.
COD is for the tacti-cool I play Battlefield 4 it is pretty much like the real thing. I generally go like 25 kills and 3 deaths. I think that's a pretty good stat it would definitely have good carry over IRL you know.
dcmdon
NES Member
I think why the people don't want to fight is that they have to ive there.
Its one thing to go down there and play commando. Its anotehr to challenge them from your home. You have to sleep. If you challenge them from around their home, they then know where you live. You could be dead before you are even awake.
Throw some kids into the equation and it could make even the most gung ho person stand down.
Don
Its one thing to go down there and play commando. Its anotehr to challenge them from your home. You have to sleep. If you challenge them from around their home, they then know where you live. You could be dead before you are even awake.
Throw some kids into the equation and it could make even the most gung ho person stand down.
Don
Until citizens start taking matters into their own hands - like shooting border jumpers - you can expect the Fed to continue to ignore the needs of red states.
and shame on the governor too. Last I checked the national guard is under his purview...
and shame on the governor too. Last I checked the national guard is under his purview...
Not to mention, but Texas has the Texas State Guard which is completley separate from the US Army, National Guard, or any federal affiliations. It is funded by the state and its is pretty impressive. The have an air and maritime wing as well.
https://www.txsg.state.tx.us
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Guard
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