Foreign Nationals and Firearms Possession

[Knuckle Dragger]

If you're an instructor or work at a commercial gun range you need to think about this.

Many Foreign Tourists -- and Most Foreign Students -- Are Barred from Going to Shooting Ranges

With few exceptions (like hunting) any foreign national in the US on anything other than an immigrant visa is a prohibited person. There's potential criminal liability for both the foreign national and anyone who allows them to take even temporary possession of a firearm.

This comes on the heels of the petition in Rehaif v US being granted last week.

 

[Garys]

Interesting. In Hawaii and I think Las Vegas, there are ranges that cater to mostly Japanese tourists. The I saw in Hawaii even had full auto guns.

 

[Compooky]

Interesting. In Hawaii and I think Las Vegas, there are ranges that cater to mostly Japanese tourists. The I saw in Hawaii even had full auto guns.

Japan is on the list of countries that are fine in that link.

 

[Lip]

I think of Rome and gauls as immigrants. It dosent work well. History isnt kind to those that let in an armed foriegn population.

 

[swatgig]

It doesn't say "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms".

 

[Lip]

It doesn't say "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms".

Well the founders believed in amendments. Or not? A foreign armed population in our border is suicide.

 

[BUMPA01603]

Dzokan Tsarnaev and his dead brother didn't get that memo, did they?

 

[Chevy 2 65]

If you're an instructor or work at a commercial gun range you need to think about this.

Many Foreign Tourists -- and Most Foreign Students -- Are Barred from Going to Shooting Ranges

With few exceptions (like hunting) any foreign national in the US on anything other than an immigrant visa is a prohibited person. There's potential criminal liability for both the foreign national and anyone who allows them to take even temporary possession of a firearm.

This comes on the heels of the petition in Rehaif v US being granted last week.

Makes sense now.

 

[Lip]

Makes sense now.

Name a nation where arming a foriegn population ends up well.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Name a nation where arming a foriegn population ends up well.

I am a foreign, only on paper and a pledge to this country that I am American Citizen. It's not what this is about. To answer your question the founders

 

[drgrant]

Well the founders believed in amendments. Or not? A foreign armed population in our border is suicide.

Lol then kick them out. Rkba is a human right of free people.....

 

[Lip]

I am a foreign, only on paper and a pledge to this country that I am American Citizen. It's not what this is about. To answer your question the founders

So, the founders didn't envision a ammendment process? I bet they didn't an unfettered invasion too?

 

[Lip]

Lol then kick them out. Rkba is a human right of free people.....

Good make you sh@thole like ours. Just like our founders did.

 

[drgrant]

So, the founders didn't envision a ammendment process? I bet they didn't an unfettered invasion too?

Basically you're suggesting that we use gun control to disarm potentially hostile foreign nationals... think about the inherent dumbness in that idea, its just as dumb as regular gun control...

 

[Lip]

Basically you're suggesting that we use gun control to disarm potentially hostile foreign nationals... think about the inherent dumbness in that idea, its just as dumb as regular gun control...

No, but a large population of armed foreigners in our borders is a bad, historically a bad thing. Sorry if I disagree with you.

 

[drgrant]

No, but a large population of armed foreigners in our borders is a bad, historically a bad thing. Sorry if I disagree with you.

Again, then ban them. If they're that dangerous. It's as dumb as saying a prohibited person not in jail is magically incapable of getting a gun and doing harm.....

 

[Lip]

Again, then ban them. If they're that dangerous. It's as dumb as saying a prohibited person not in jail is magically incapable of getting a gun and doing harm.....

No a previous incaracree is a national they did their time an immigrant isnt necessarily thinking or supporting this nation. Evidently historical presidents elude you. I'm not such a fan of rose colored glasses. So you support arming illegals too?

 

[Lip]

Heck once you become a citizen you should get a voucher for a firearm otherwise nfw.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

It doesn't say "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms".

Heck once you become a citizen you should get a voucher for a firearm otherwise nfw.

Flether v. Haas established that the 2A applies to non-citizen legal residents as well. To hold otherwise would require either inconsistent logic, or denying non-citizens other enumerated rights such as those recognized by the 1st, 3rd, 5th and other amendments. This would allow the government to quarter troops in the homes of foreigners in times of peace.

 

[Lip]

Flether v. Haas established that the 2A applies to non-citizen legal residents as well. To hold otherwise would require either inconsistent logic, or denying other enumerated rights such as the 1st, 3rd, 5th and other amendments. This would allow the government to quarter troops in the homes of foreigners in times of peace.

So all supreme court judgements are right? Can I quote you on that?

 

[Lip]

So all supreme court judgements are right? Can I quote you on that?

 

[Lip]

So when the supremes rule against you you'll accept their interpretations?

 

[Chevy 2 65]

So, the founders didn't envision a ammendment process? I bet they didn't an unfettered invasion too?

Did you read what knuckle dragger wrote?
Many Foreign Tourists -- and Most Foreign Students -- Are Barred from Going to Shooting Ranges
Then you are for this

 

[Lip]

Many Foreign Tourists -- and Most Foreign Students -- Are Barred from Going to Shooting Ranges
The you are for this

No, but access to foreigners I am. Mostly illegals. But hey perhaps we should have had limited access to flight schools pre 9-11 but hey you know better right?

 

[Love Machine]

You buy a hunting license from Alaska for like $15 and you're fine.

 

[drgrant]

No a previous incaracree is a national they did their time an immigrant isnt necessarily thinking or supporting this nation. Evidently historical presidents elude you. I'm not such a fan of rose colored glasses. So you support arming illegals too?

No rose colored glasses here. I just think the notion of a prohibited person is f***ing stupid. Kick them out, incarcerate them, or kill them if they're actually dangerous. Prohibited persons = feel good bullshit that punishes free people.

 

[Lip]

No rose colored glasses here. I just think the notion of a prohibited person is f***ing stupid. Kick them out, incarcerate them, or kill them if they're actually dangerous. Prohibited persons = feel good bullshit that punishes free people.

I have no issue with ex convicts having 2a rights they do. I have an issue with foreigners who are not citizens who do. See my tag line? I'm an unapologetic nationalist. I don't gaf about other nations only mine. I want all of my tribe armed. Every last woman and child. But not non Americans, not so much. So I'm gonna sleep sound in my beliefs.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

So when the supremes rule against you you'll accept their interpretations?

I do not have to agree with them, but I will accept that they will guide how the state will use force against me.

Fletcher v. Haas was a first circuit decision. To see a supreme court decision addressing the applicability of the bill of rights to non citizens, see US vs Verdugo-Urquidez.

If the courts can manufacture stuff not in law (like 2A does not apply to non-citizens and the words "the people" have a different meaning in the rest of the bill of rights), it can manufacture anything else it wants. Integrity demands consistency, even when it does not lead to the result one might like. If the courts understood that, we would be in much better shape.

 

[DarthRevan]

Well f*** man, how are foreigners going to have a factual basis in firearms if they cant shoot them while they're here? Hard to have your revolution at home if you dont know how to shoot.
This ruling is pretty disturbing. Everyone, regardless of nationality should have the right to firearm ownership.

 

[Lip]

Well f*** man, how are foreigners going to have a factual basis in firearms if they cant shoot them while they're here? Hard to have your revolution at home if you dont know how to shoot.
This ruling is pretty disturbing. Everyone, regardless of nationality should have the right to firearm ownership.

Yes once they are citizens. Illegals, no.